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Sultan

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
All non-muslims receive protection under an Islamic government. They are taxed a bit more, and the tax is called Jizyah.

Well that's messed up. Is this commonly practiced?

what seems illogical to you may not seem the same to others. keep an open mind

Sorry, I don't keep an open mind for DISCRIMINATION.

Lets see, why dont you protest against this administration then for openly discriminating against the Muslim population (in the previous few decades), Communists before that, Japanese before that, Blacks before that.

Hypocritical.

Besides, asking non-Muslims in a Muslim country to not pay Zakat and pay another sort of tax is not discrimination.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Todd33
it's not 'coulter types" it's reasonable types, this guy is way off base.

I'd say a majority of the world thinks this way. If anything, we in America, insulated with crappy media like Fox news are the ones 'off base'. We get so wrapped in the flag screaming about 9/11 all the time that we forget or don't care how everyone else sees us. Like what's here name said "We are a good country when we do good things", which lately has not been much.

I love how everyone loves to use Fox News as the example of all news media... Fox News is ONE NEWS AGENCY. We live in this country called the USA, where we have incredible access to this thing called the "internet". We aren't insulated from the world... the world news is at our fingertips... we have more cable, and sattelite TV than anywhere else in the world. The whole FOX NEWS argument is plain old rubbish.

And Hatim, you terrorist sympathizing scumbucket.... I have a few questions for you so that we can garner a better picture of your ideology.

1. Should Spain be returned to muslim control?

2. Is it ok to kill Hindus?

3. Is the United States an extension of the crusades?

4. Would you classify Osama Bin Laden as a terrorist?

-Max


1. No, unless conquored
2. Depends. If they are living in their own coutry, or are traders or anything. NO. Unless you control thier resident land...and before that there are 100's of questions asked so its very unlikely.
3. I dont beleive in the crusades. They were fought by rougue Islamic regimes. Banul Ummayad and Banul Abbas (They killed the prophet's grandson)
4. Depends. Not without proof.

1. But muslims have the right to attempt to conquer spain?
2. What about a random Hindu wandering in Pakistan.
3. I'll rephrase... do you believe the United States are eviol infidels attempting to destroy Islam?
4. Do you believe Sept 11th was a terrorist attack? Who do you believe did it?


1. Why not?
2. Illegal
3. No.
4. Terrorist definate. Im running no CIA so I won't comment.

So you oppose America's imperialistic power grabbing policies in the middle east, but you're for muslims conquering spain? How is this different? Oh that's right, it's muslims doing the conquering. That's ok, right?
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim

Serices provided. Including security, and what not.

Why do they need security? What services? Why can't everyone just be treated the same?

so you don't pay state taxes?

Actually I don't. Can you answer my questions now?


sad. There maybe some criminals there too who illegally donot pay their taxes ike you.
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Baltazar325
I would actually like to see a muslim nation try to conquer someone. That would be funny to watch. We all know what powerful military machines most muslim nations are.

After seeing the responses from Hatin and Sultan, I'm damn happy that there is no Muslim religious theocratic nation - different from Muslim majority - that is anything near a superpower. I cannot even imagine what they would do to the world...fortunately religious extremism will probably stifle science.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: hatim
You people suit yourselves. Im here to discuss politics not religion. You keep yours and let me keep mine.

Sure as long as you're allowed to tax me abit more for mine, right? I thought this whole thread was a bout right and wrong, the morality of america's actions? How is religion not involved in morality? How can you discuss the middle east and not bring up Islam considering a major chunk or our main oppisition fource consists of islamic fundamentalist.

You want to drop the religion thing, because you like pointing out how horrible our actions have been you can't defend the horrible things Nuslims have done in the name of Islam. I'll be the first to admit chrsitianity has its share of things to atone for and that we should learn from them. Too bd you can't do the same for Islam.

Stuck on the tax issue?

And what oh so horrible things have Muslims done in the name of Islam? People make mistakes, not religions. I dont say all Christians are messed up coz of some priests screwing little boys.

What horrible things have Muslims done in the name of islam? Go visit a couple of tall trade towers in new york for your answer. Oh, that's right, they're not there!

emm, go visit Iraq, the whole country has been flattened by this oh-so-religiously devout president.
 

Sultan

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Feb 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Freedom has its price. All Muslims under an Islamic government have a "religious" tax - 2.5% - the non-Muslims do not pay that. If Islam said pay that, then you'd raise hue and cry, why, oh why should I pay that if I am not a Muslim.

You just want to argue for the sake of arguing :roll:

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. No wonder so many are so backwards.

You are not Muslim! We must discriminate against you now just because you are of a different religion!

I cannot believe that you are supportive of discriminatory beliefs.

Do you propose that Non-Muslims in Muslim nations also pay Zakat?
 

Doboji

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Freedom of religion does not exist. Islam is the official religion, and all citizens must be Muslims. The Government limits the practice of all but the officially sanctioned version of Islam and prohibits the public practice of other religions. During the period covered by this report, the Government publicly restated its policy that non-Muslims are free to practice their religions at home and in private. While the Government does not always respect this right in practice, many non-Muslims engage in private worship without harassment. As custodian of Islam's two holiest sites in Mecca and Medina, the Government considers its legitimacy to rest largely on its interpretation and enforcement of Shari'a. Consequently, the Government has declared the Koran and the Sunna (tradition) of Muhammed to be the country's Constitution. The Government follows the rigorously conservative and strict interpretation of the Salafi (often referred to as "Wahhabi") school of the Sunni branch of Islam and discriminates against other branches of Islam. The Government limits the practice of all but the officially sanctioned version of Islam, and prohibits the public practice of other religions. Neither the Government nor society in general accepts the concept of separation of religion and state, and such separation does not exist.

The Government requires noncitizens to carry Iqamas, or legal resident identity cards, which contain a religious designation for "Muslim" or "non-Muslim." There have been reports that individual Mutawwa'in have pressured Saudi sponsors not to renew Iqamas, which had been issued for employment, of individuals for religious reasons.



Saudi Arabia a true Apartheid state....
 

CanOWorms

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Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: hatim

sad. There maybe some criminals there too who illegally donot pay their taxes ike you.

It's not illegal in my case. Now can you answer my questions please or are you busy executing atheists, homosexuals, and non-Muslims?
 

MegaWorks

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Hatim STFU you're realy giving us muslims a low view, man go educate yourself and stop saying BS

as for Doboji

1. no spain is not our land we lost hundreads of yrs ago, but ask yourself that same question about your precious Israel!

2. Hindus kill may muslims in India so whats your point

3. forget it

4. yes Osama bin ladin is a terrorist
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sultan
Lets see, why dont you protest against this administration then for openly discriminating against the Muslim population (in the previous few decades), Communists before that, Japanese before that, Blacks before that.

Hypocritical.

Besides, asking non-Muslims in a Muslim country to not pay Zakat and pay another sort of tax is not discrimination.

I do oppose those actions. You apparently do not. How would you feel if the US decides to tax you 10% because you are a Muslim?

You support discriminatory actions. I do not.

You disgust me.

Zakat? Why does the government have to be associated with religion? It shouldn't.
 

Baltazar325

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Jun 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim

Serices provided. Including security, and what not.

Why do they need security? What services? Why can't everyone just be treated the same?

so you don't pay state taxes?

Actually I don't. Can you answer my questions now?


sad. There maybe some criminals there too who illegally donot pay their taxes ike you.

Umm, no. Not all states have an income tax.
 

3chordcharlie

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Mar 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim

Serices provided. Including security, and what not.

Why do they need security? What services? Why can't everyone just be treated the same?

so you don't pay state taxes?

Actually I don't. Can you answer my questions now?


sad. There maybe some criminals there too who illegally donot pay their taxes ike you.

Yes, I'm sure CanOWorms is a criminal and likes to brag on teh intarw3b since he's so obviously immune to being found...

I don't pay provincial taxes because by the time my tuition and other deductions are applied to my income, I no longer make enough to be assessed a positive amount of taxes.
 

imported_tss4

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Jun 30, 2004
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So, I'm asking the question to everyone in here "What do you leads to people like Hatim and Sultan". I perosnally think its a result of lack of seperation between church and state. Lack of freedom of speech is also probably part of it.
 

The Green Bean

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Jul 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Todd33
it's not 'coulter types" it's reasonable types, this guy is way off base.

I'd say a majority of the world thinks this way. If anything, we in America, insulated with crappy media like Fox news are the ones 'off base'. We get so wrapped in the flag screaming about 9/11 all the time that we forget or don't care how everyone else sees us. Like what's here name said "We are a good country when we do good things", which lately has not been much.

I love how everyone loves to use Fox News as the example of all news media... Fox News is ONE NEWS AGENCY. We live in this country called the USA, where we have incredible access to this thing called the "internet". We aren't insulated from the world... the world news is at our fingertips... we have more cable, and sattelite TV than anywhere else in the world. The whole FOX NEWS argument is plain old rubbish.

And Hatim, you terrorist sympathizing scumbucket.... I have a few questions for you so that we can garner a better picture of your ideology.

1. Should Spain be returned to muslim control?

2. Is it ok to kill Hindus?

3. Is the United States an extension of the crusades?

4. Would you classify Osama Bin Laden as a terrorist?

-Max


1. No, unless conquored
2. Depends. If they are living in their own coutry, or are traders or anything. NO. Unless you control thier resident land...and before that there are 100's of questions asked so its very unlikely.
3. I dont beleive in the crusades. They were fought by rougue Islamic regimes. Banul Ummayad and Banul Abbas (They killed the prophet's grandson)
4. Depends. Not without proof.

1. But muslims have the right to attempt to conquer spain?
2. What about a random Hindu wandering in Pakistan.
3. I'll rephrase... do you believe the United States are eviol infidels attempting to destroy Islam?
4. Do you believe Sept 11th was a terrorist attack? Who do you believe did it?


1. Why not?
2. Illegal
3. No.
4. Terrorist definate. Im running no CIA so I won't comment.

So you oppose America's imperialistic power grabbing policies in the middle east, but you're for muslims conquering spain? How is this different? Oh that's right, it's muslims doing the conquering. That's ok, right?


They can if they want but legally. First they tell the world that they are "liberateing" and WMDs. and what not. Im sure they wouldnlt be able to conquer Iraq legally. Internal and external oppositions both
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Freedom has its price. All Muslims under an Islamic government have a "religious" tax - 2.5% - the non-Muslims do not pay that. If Islam said pay that, then you'd raise hue and cry, why, oh why should I pay that if I am not a Muslim.

You just want to argue for the sake of arguing :roll:

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. No wonder so many are so backwards.

You are not Muslim! We must discriminate against you now just because you are of a different religion!

I cannot believe that you are supportive of discriminatory beliefs.

Do you propose that Non-Muslims in Muslim nations also pay Zakat?

I propose that there is no such thing as a 'Muslim nation'. Sounds crazy, huh? You know, to have governments not based on a single religious belief and be inherently discriminatory?
 

Sultan

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Feb 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Lets see, why dont you protest against this administration then for openly discriminating against the Muslim population (in the previous few decades), Communists before that, Japanese before that, Blacks before that.

Hypocritical.

Besides, asking non-Muslims in a Muslim country to not pay Zakat and pay another sort of tax is not discrimination.

I do oppose those actions. You apparently do not. How would you feel if the US decides to tax you 10% because you are a Muslim?

You support discriminatory actions. I do not.

You disgust me.

Zakat? Why does the government have to be associated with religion? It shouldn't.

I dont care if I disgust you. You can go barf in the toilet if you want.

An Islamic Government works on the principles of Islam. Are you not smart enough to understand that? Its your opinion that Church and State be separate. Not everyone shares your opinion.

You're very opinionated, arent you?
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: hatim
You people suit yourselves. Im here to discuss politics not religion. You keep yours and let me keep mine.

Sure as long as you're allowed to tax me abit more for mine, right? I thought this whole thread was a bout right and wrong, the morality of america's actions? How is religion not involved in morality? How can you discuss the middle east and not bring up Islam considering a major chunk or our main oppisition fource consists of islamic fundamentalist.

You want to drop the religion thing, because you like pointing out how horrible our actions have been you can't defend the horrible things Nuslims have done in the name of Islam. I'll be the first to admit chrsitianity has its share of things to atone for and that we should learn from them. Too bd you can't do the same for Islam.

Stuck on the tax issue?

And what oh so horrible things have Muslims done in the name of Islam? People make mistakes, not religions. I dont say all Christians are messed up coz of some priests screwing little boys.

What horrible things have Muslims done in the name of islam? Go visit a couple of tall trade towers in new york for your answer. Oh, that's right, they're not there!

emm, go visit Iraq, the whole country has been flattened by this oh-so-religiously devout president.

You ignored my question. I admited we've done bad things. You haven't.
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: tss4
So, I'm asking the question to everyone in here "What do you leads to people like Hatim and Sultan". I perosnally think its a result of lack of seperation between church and state. Lack of freedom of speech is also probably part of it.

Ignorance and a system of brainwashing.
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sultan
I dont care if I disgust you. You can go barf in the toilet if you want.

An Islamic Government works on the principles of Islam. Are you not smart enough to understand that? Its your opinion that Church and State be separate. Not everyone shares your opinion.

You're very opinionated, arent you?

I don't care if you do not care about how I feel about you. Your opinions just baffle me. I simply cannot believe that you are openly supportive of discriminatory practices. People like you are the root cause of many problems in this world.

Any Islamic government is inherently evil and discriminatory. What a horrible government is must be. I'm sure that any government such as this would just remain in despair and a pathetic state.

Sure, I'm very opinionated when one openly supports discrimination. I feel sorry for you.
 

imported_tss4

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Jun 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Hatim STFU you're realy giving us muslims a low view, man go educate yourself and stop saying BS

as for Doboji

1. no spain is not our land we lost hundreads of yrs ago, but ask yourself that same question about your precious Israel!

2. Hindus kill may muslims in India so whats your point

3. forget it

4. yes Osama bin ladin is a terrorist

You've got your hands full with people like hatim runnig there mouth.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: tss4
So, I'm asking the question to everyone in here "What do you leads to people like Hatim and Sultan". I perosnally think its a result of lack of seperation between church and state. Lack of freedom of speech is also probably part of it.

I thought Sultan was normal until he started spouting off his belief for wide-scale discriminatory actions. He sounds like an apartheid supporter.
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Hatim STFU you're realy giving us muslims a low view, man go educate yourself and stop saying BS

as for Doboji

1. no spain is not our land we lost hundreads of yrs ago, but ask yourself that same question about your precious Israel!

2. Hindus kill may muslims in India so whats your point

3. forget it

4. yes Osama bin ladin is a terrorist

You've got your hands full with people like hatim runnig there mouth.

Don't forget Sultan, who openly supports discrimination against people.
 
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