The 2.5% tax goes to paying for the proper executions of atheists, homosexuals, and non-Muslims who refuse to convert.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
No, it isn't intolerant. I love your reasoning. It's intolerant if you don't like racists! Wonderful logic there. I suppose it makes you sleep better at nights when you're supporting openly discriminatory beliefs.
And yes, any government that is based strictly on Islamic laws would apparently be inherently intolerant, as you have just shown. Don't like it? Well too bad.
I don't support Affirmative Action much at all.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason and attempts to justify discrimination.
oh, so if you tax just Muslims 2.5% and not the non-Muslims, that would be "NOT" discrimination? Is that what you're saying???
there's no discrimination. period.
If you tax the Muslims and nobody else, then that's discriminatory. What's this 2.5% tax going to anyways? It should not be a religious tax.
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Hatim STFU you're realy giving us muslims a low view, man go educate yourself and stop saying BS
as for Doboji
1. no spain is not our land we lost hundreads of yrs ago, but ask yourself that same question about your precious Israel!
2. Hindus kill may muslims in India so whats your point
3. forget it
4. yes Osama bin ladin is a terrorist
Megaworks... from your posts it's already clear that you are not an extremist... you follow Islam in the way that I respect it greatly.
Hatim and Sultan however do not.
1. Only someone as crazy as Hatim would be for the conquering of Spain. As for Israel... that is an entirely different discussion. I would argue that Israel was created exactly because of the discrimination we're discussing here... the concept of Jews fleeing to Palestine and being violently resisted by the Palestinian population.
2. The question I asked.. was... is it "OK" to kill Hindus...
But like I said... you actually seem reasonable...
As for the Jizya... Hindus are Polytheists... and as you know from the Quran the presence of Polytheists or Idolitors are forbidden within Muslim society under Shar'ia.... correct?
-Max
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: hatim
You people suit yourselves. Im here to discuss politics not religion. You keep yours and let me keep mine.
Sure as long as you're allowed to tax me abit more for mine, right? I thought this whole thread was a bout right and wrong, the morality of america's actions? How is religion not involved in morality? How can you discuss the middle east and not bring up Islam considering a major chunk or our main oppisition fource consists of islamic fundamentalist.
You want to drop the religion thing, because you like pointing out how horrible our actions have been you can't defend the horrible things Nuslims have done in the name of Islam. I'll be the first to admit chrsitianity has its share of things to atone for and that we should learn from them. Too bd you can't do the same for Islam.
Stuck on the tax issue?
And what oh so horrible things have Muslims done in the name of Islam? People make mistakes, not religions. I dont say all Christians are messed up coz of some priests screwing little boys.
What horrible things have Muslims done in the name of islam? Go visit a couple of tall trade towers in new york for your answer. Oh, that's right, they're not there!
emm, go visit Iraq, the whole country has been flattened by this oh-so-religiously devout president.
You ignored my question. I admited we've done bad things. You haven't.
actions by individuals - 19 to be exact - do not represent the majority of those who follow Islam. The leader of this country, together with over a hundred thousand troops contributed to flatteninig Iraq.
Afghanistan leader's harbored osama bin laden and actively tried to prevent him form being brought to justice. Several governments in the middle east support terrorism. There are numerous terror cells all over the world. I'm not talking about the actions of JUST 19 individuals.
Afghanistan's leader said they required proof for handing over OBL. That was not provided. Read this governments history on terrorist activities. Then you'll reach the conclusion that individual actions do not translate into actions of people of faith.
Oh please why don't we drop the stupidity.... we know Bin Laden was responsible... we KNEW he was responsible for other terrorist attacks from before. We KNEW that the Taliban was a horrible opressive sexist regime... why don't we cut the stupid games and get down to business. Just say what you feel buddy... you kinda agree with Bin Laden... and you're kinda comfortable with his tactics... you kinda feel that americans deserved 911... just admit it... the truth will set you free...
-Max
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
MAN these people start calling people not "normal" and flaming them just because they have different beliefs. And they call it "freedom" :disgust:
Yes, you're not normal when you want to kill atheists and homosexuals as well as discriminate against people that are different than you. You are from a pathetic country if you are any representation of the people.
The west is pathetic for allowing gaydom and lesbaindom.....Soon theywill see the ill effects. Not too long before a western "society" will cease to exist. Ther are just like animals. Having sex with the same sex and even animals. They will grow mutated kids or something if they continue doing this. just SICK. Worst than animals. they people call themselves free people. But eventually all of them are going to end up in a destroyed land. AIDS, thats a quality of hmosexualness, even multiple illegal sex with whores. Man they dont even marry. All whores and Pimps. They depend on each other only for sex and money. Thats the only thing that they care about anyways. whats a family for. (except a few remaing) Its all about fun. Sex, food, sleep, and fun. How does that differ them from animals? Open sex, rapes by preists, sex my leaders. What has the USA come to anyways? In the name of freedom they have leglizied everything. If they are so free why dont they legalize killing? Its seems already the case, some "sex" disputes do lead to conflicts and killing. First see how much is wrong with your society then criticize others.
'Nuff said
im off
hatim
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
No, it isn't intolerant. I love your reasoning. It's intolerant if you don't like racists! Wonderful logic there. I suppose it makes you sleep better at nights when you're supporting openly discriminatory beliefs.
And yes, any government that is based strictly on Islamic laws would apparently be inherently intolerant, as you have just shown. Don't like it? Well too bad.
I don't support Affirmative Action much at all.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason and attempts to justify discrimination.
oh, so if you tax just Muslims 2.5% and not the non-Muslims, that would be "NOT" discrimination? Is that what you're saying???
there's no discrimination. period.
If you tax the Muslims and nobody else, then that's discriminatory. What's this 2.5% tax going to anyways? It should not be a religious tax.
You're openly supporting discrimination. You must be so proud.
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Hatim STFU you're realy giving us muslims a low view, man go educate yourself and stop saying BS
as for Doboji
1. no spain is not our land we lost hundreads of yrs ago, but ask yourself that same question about your precious Israel!
2. Hindus kill may muslims in India so whats your point
3. forget it
4. yes Osama bin ladin is a terrorist
Megaworks... from your posts it's already clear that you are not an extremist... you follow Islam in the way that I respect it greatly.
Hatim and Sultan however do not.
1. Only someone as crazy as Hatim would be for the conquering of Spain. As for Israel... that is an entirely different discussion. I would argue that Israel was created exactly because of the discrimination we're discussing here... the concept of Jews fleeing to Palestine and being violently resisted by the Palestinian population.
2. The question I asked.. was... is it "OK" to kill Hindus...
But like I said... you actually seem reasonable...
As for the Jizya... Hindus are Polytheists... and as you know from the Quran the presence of Polytheists or Idolitors are forbidden within Muslim society under Shar'ia.... correct?
-Max
it's not ok to kill hindus, why would you kill a innocent person because of his religion even the Quran mentions that taking the life of a innocent person is the worst crime ever. Even if some hindus extremists killed innocents muslim you don't go after innocent hindus, you go after the extremists.
Islam could be adapted to today's world it has be done by many high muslim clerics, you follow they knew recherch done by your high cleric in which he adapted for todays world based on the Quran of course.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
The west is pathetic for allowing gaydom and lesbaindom.....Soon theywill see the ill effects. Not too long before a western "society" will cease to exist. Ther are just like animals. Having sex with the same sex and even animals. They will grow mutated kids or something if they continue doing this. just SICK. Worst than animals. they people call themselves free people. But eventually all of them are going to end up in a destroyed land. AIDS, thats a quality of hmosexualness, even multiple illegal sex with whores. Man they dont even marry. All whores and Pimps. They depend on each other only for sex and money. Thats the only thing that they care about anyways. whats a family for. (except a few remaing) Its all about fun. Sex, food, sleep, and fun. How does that differ them from animals? Open sex, rapes by preists, sex my leaders. What has the USA come to anyways? In the name of freedom they have leglizied everything. If they are so free why dont they legalize killing? Its seems already the case, some "sex" disputes do lead to conflicts and killing. First see how much is wrong with your society then criticize others.
'Nuff said
im off
hatim
Yes, the 'west' is pathetic when it is the richest, most advanced, and has the highest quality of living.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
No, it isn't intolerant. I love your reasoning. It's intolerant if you don't like racists! Wonderful logic there. I suppose it makes you sleep better at nights when you're supporting openly discriminatory beliefs.
And yes, any government that is based strictly on Islamic laws would apparently be inherently intolerant, as you have just shown. Don't like it? Well too bad.
I don't support Affirmative Action much at all.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason and attempts to justify discrimination.
oh, so if you tax just Muslims 2.5% and not the non-Muslims, that would be "NOT" discrimination? Is that what you're saying???
there's no discrimination. period.
If you tax the Muslims and nobody else, then that's discriminatory. What's this 2.5% tax going to anyways? It should not be a religious tax.
You're openly supporting discrimination. You must be so proud.
Well, the 2.5% tax goes to the poor, and thats mandated by religion. No way out of this. And since taxing them and no one else is discrimination, the non-Muslims pay a different form of tax which goes on their uplift and the nation's uplift in general. How is that discrimination???
Originally posted by: hatim
rich - yes
most advanced - not when it comes to basic things...like cleaning you ass. Toilet paper is the norm there. Too lazy to get some water?
Highest quality of living - If you call sex quality of living.
Im happy in my liitle niche in the balance of things. I may not be tooo rich but God has given me enough. I have a family, would you beleive it 8 generations of it. And 6 generations; I know most of them personally. Like 200 but still we are very close. Thats what I call quality of life. Peace with your neighbours, frenz, relatives, and everyone around. Not sex and money.
Originally posted by: hatim
rich - yes
most advanced - not when it comes to basic things...like cleaning you ass. Toilet paper is the norm there. Too lazy to get some water?
Highest quality of living - If you call sex quality of living.
Im happy in my liitle niche in the balance of things. I may not be tooo rich but God has given me enough. I have a family, would you beleive it 8 generations of it. And 6 generations; I know most of them personally. Like 200 but still we are very close. Thats what I call quality of life. Peace with your neighbours, frenz, relatives, and everyone around. Not sex and money.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
Yes, any form of theocratic government is plain intolerism.
I feel sorry for your lack of belief in equality. I can't believe someone is comparing affirmative action to the execution of atheists and homosexuals.
ok, u dont execute aethiest and homosexuals in an Islamic form of government. i dont know where you got that information from.
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
Yes, any form of theocratic government is plain intolerism.
I feel sorry for your lack of belief in equality. I can't believe someone is comparing affirmative action to the execution of atheists and homosexuals.
ok, u dont execute aethiest and homosexuals in an Islamic form of government. i dont know where you got that information from.
homosexual part is true.
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim
rich - yes
most advanced - not when it comes to basic things...like cleaning you ass. Toilet paper is the norm there. Too lazy to get some water?
Highest quality of living - If you call sex quality of living.
Im happy in my liitle niche in the balance of things. I may not be tooo rich but God has given me enough. I have a family, would you beleive it 8 generations of it. And 6 generations; I know most of them personally. Like 200 but still we are very close. Thats what I call quality of life. Peace with your neighbours, frenz, relatives, and everyone around. Not sex and money.
Peace after you executed all the atheists, homosexuals, and non-Muslims!!! yay!!!
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
No, it isn't intolerant. I love your reasoning. It's intolerant if you don't like racists! Wonderful logic there. I suppose it makes you sleep better at nights when you're supporting openly discriminatory beliefs.
And yes, any government that is based strictly on Islamic laws would apparently be inherently intolerant, as you have just shown. Don't like it? Well too bad.
I don't support Affirmative Action much at all.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason and attempts to justify discrimination.
oh, so if you tax just Muslims 2.5% and not the non-Muslims, that would be "NOT" discrimination? Is that what you're saying???
there's no discrimination. period.
If you tax the Muslims and nobody else, then that's discriminatory. What's this 2.5% tax going to anyways? It should not be a religious tax.
You're openly supporting discrimination. You must be so proud.
Well, the 2.5% tax goes to the poor, and thats mandated by religion. No way out of this. And since taxing them and no one else is discrimination, the non-Muslims pay a different form of tax which goes on their uplift and the nation's uplift in general. How is that discrimination???
You stated before that non-Muslims are charged a higher tax. In addition, under this premise, you stated your support of discrimination.
as fixed by the government. the government can also charge the Muslims additional tax. Discretion to the government
Sorry, but you've openly supported your discriminatory beliefs. You must come from a very sad country if you're any general representation of the people there.
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim
rich - yes
most advanced - not when it comes to basic things...like cleaning you ass. Toilet paper is the norm there. Too lazy to get some water?
Highest quality of living - If you call sex quality of living.
Im happy in my liitle niche in the balance of things. I may not be tooo rich but God has given me enough. I have a family, would you beleive it 8 generations of it. And 6 generations; I know most of them personally. Like 200 but still we are very close. Thats what I call quality of life. Peace with your neighbours, frenz, relatives, and everyone around. Not sex and money.
Peace after you executed all the atheists, homosexuals, and non-Muslims!!! yay!!!
actually te state would take care of that. I neednt get involced into state affairs.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
Yes, any form of theocratic government is plain intolerism.
I feel sorry for your lack of belief in equality. I can't believe someone is comparing affirmative action to the execution of atheists and homosexuals.
ok, u dont execute aethiest and homosexuals in an Islamic form of government. i dont know where you got that information from.
homosexual part is true.
Why isn't the atheist part true anymore?
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
No, it isn't intolerant. I love your reasoning. It's intolerant if you don't like racists! Wonderful logic there. I suppose it makes you sleep better at nights when you're supporting openly discriminatory beliefs.
And yes, any government that is based strictly on Islamic laws would apparently be inherently intolerant, as you have just shown. Don't like it? Well too bad.
I don't support Affirmative Action much at all.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason and attempts to justify discrimination.
oh, so if you tax just Muslims 2.5% and not the non-Muslims, that would be "NOT" discrimination? Is that what you're saying???
there's no discrimination. period.
If you tax the Muslims and nobody else, then that's discriminatory. What's this 2.5% tax going to anyways? It should not be a religious tax.
You're openly supporting discrimination. You must be so proud.
Well, the 2.5% tax goes to the poor, and thats mandated by religion. No way out of this. And since taxing them and no one else is discrimination, the non-Muslims pay a different form of tax which goes on their uplift and the nation's uplift in general. How is that discrimination???
You stated before that non-Muslims are charged a higher tax. In addition, under this premise, you stated your support of discrimination.
as fixed by the government. the government can also charge the Muslims additional tax. Discretion to the government
Sorry, but you've openly supported your discriminatory beliefs. You must come from a very sad country if you're any general representation of the people there.
blah blah blah
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: hatim
rich - yes
most advanced - not when it comes to basic things...like cleaning you ass. Toilet paper is the norm there. Too lazy to get some water?
Highest quality of living - If you call sex quality of living.
Im happy in my liitle niche in the balance of things. I may not be tooo rich but God has given me enough. I have a family, would you beleive it 8 generations of it. And 6 generations; I know most of them personally. Like 200 but still we are very close. Thats what I call quality of life. Peace with your neighbours, frenz, relatives, and everyone around. Not sex and money.
Peace after you executed all the atheists, homosexuals, and non-Muslims!!! yay!!!
actually te state would take care of that. I neednt get involced into state affairs.
that's the first step to brainwashing
Originally posted by: hatim
I had mentioned before I wasnt sure. And well its not like "kill all atheists you find"
And for Homos, you need fore reliable witnesses who have seen explicitly or any other explicit proof before execution
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Sultan
Thats plain intolerism.
The practices are not discriminatory, on the contrary, they are equal. If Muslims pay 2.5% tax for alms-giving, non-Muslims pay it for other reasons. Pure and simple. There's affirmitive action, isnt there? It helps the African-Americans.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason.
No, it isn't intolerant. I love your reasoning. It's intolerant if you don't like racists! Wonderful logic there. I suppose it makes you sleep better at nights when you're supporting openly discriminatory beliefs.
And yes, any government that is based strictly on Islamic laws would apparently be inherently intolerant, as you have just shown. Don't like it? Well too bad.
I don't support Affirmative Action much at all.
I feel sorry for your lack of reason and attempts to justify discrimination.
oh, so if you tax just Muslims 2.5% and not the non-Muslims, that would be "NOT" discrimination? Is that what you're saying???
there's no discrimination. period.
If you tax the Muslims and nobody else, then that's discriminatory. What's this 2.5% tax going to anyways? It should not be a religious tax.
You're openly supporting discrimination. You must be so proud.
Well, the 2.5% tax goes to the poor, and thats mandated by religion. No way out of this. And since taxing them and no one else is discrimination, the non-Muslims pay a different form of tax which goes on their uplift and the nation's uplift in general. How is that discrimination???
You stated before that non-Muslims are charged a higher tax. In addition, under this premise, you stated your support of discrimination.
as fixed by the government. the government can also charge the Muslims additional tax. Discretion to the government
Sorry, but you've openly supported your discriminatory beliefs. You must come from a very sad country if you're any general representation of the people there.
blah blah blah
That's nice. Keep trying to justify your hate.
Originally posted by: Doboji
Freedom of religion does not exist. Islam is the official religion, and all citizens must be Muslims. The Government limits the practice of all but the officially sanctioned version of Islam and prohibits the public practice of other religions. During the period covered by this report, the Government publicly restated its policy that non-Muslims are free to practice their religions at home and in private. While the Government does not always respect this right in practice, many non-Muslims engage in private worship without harassment. As custodian of Islam's two holiest sites in Mecca and Medina, the Government considers its legitimacy to rest largely on its interpretation and enforcement of Shari'a. Consequently, the Government has declared the Koran and the Sunna (tradition) of Muhammed to be the country's Constitution. The Government follows the rigorously conservative and strict interpretation of the Salafi (often referred to as "Wahhabi") school of the Sunni branch of Islam and discriminates against other branches of Islam. The Government limits the practice of all but the officially sanctioned version of Islam, and prohibits the public practice of other religions. Neither the Government nor society in general accepts the concept of separation of religion and state, and such separation does not exist.
The Government requires noncitizens to carry Iqamas, or legal resident identity cards, which contain a religious designation for "Muslim" or "non-Muslim." There have been reports that individual Mutawwa'in have pressured Saudi sponsors not to renew Iqamas, which had been issued for employment, of individuals for religious reasons.
Saudi Arabia a true Apartheid state....
Originally posted by: hatim
And for Homos, you need fore reliable witnesses who have seen explicitly or any other explicit proof before execution
Originally posted by: Sultan
ok man, be as senseless as you can be. you're just an intolerant person who hates those who dont agree with you. period.