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Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Vic, you're a Republican? I never see you at the meetings! :laugh:
LP

Originally posted by: Zebo
too extreme Vic...
Not at all.
No country has ever willingly and knowingly turned to communism. Thus, short of violent revolution, the transition must be slow and deceitful. Think of it as baiting the hook and feeling the fish nibble on the line. The examples you gave are perfect for this.
FHA broadens private land ownership by making homeowners and banks beholden to government backing. After all, who really owns a home when the homeowner financed 100% through a bank and that bank insured the loan through the government? When the homeowner defaults, the government gets the house. HUD homes
SBA broadens business opportunities by indebting small businesses to the government, which then places a lien on everything they own, even their private homes.
Ever notice how the uber-left is always playing chicken little? They're eagerly awaiting the next disaster, as we are one economic collapse from their takeover (or have you forgotten the strides the socialists made during the 1930's?). It's much the same way the super-right is always crying wolf, as we are right now just one more terrorist attack from fascism.
BTW, fascism is an easier sell despite its history, as it generates such strong patriotic emotions, thus the 'Pubs are able to operate more in the open.
 

Mursilis

Diamond Member
Mar 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Zebo
The White House is democrat in 2008 no matter who runs

How much you wanna bet?

Jeb in a landslide... He's got the hispanic vote wrapped up with his wife and he's about 50x more personable than his brother.

I personally don't put much stock into another southerner getting elected president in '08.

Jebs a blue-blood from Maine... carpet bagger.

I think that Jeb's 'Terry Schaivo' pandering killed his appeal.

Who else they got?

Sen. George Allen is looking like a possible contender. Hasn't Jeb already said he's not running?

More poinently who the Dems got that can beat him? Dean anit no Bill Clinton.. And his wife is rough around the edges too.

Gov. Mark Warner has already formed an exploratory committee, and has made a few unofficial trips out west. Could be the all-Virginia politicians race. Warner, having actually won election as a Democrat in a confirmed Red state, could be a strong contender. The Washington Post sure has been cheerleading him.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Zebo
The White House is democrat in 2008 no matter who runs

How much you wanna bet?

Jeb in a landslide... He's got the hispanic vote wrapped up with his wife and he's about 50x more personable than his brother.

LMAO. Jeb? The Sciavo deal cost him any hopes of being the President. Your really think that more than 51% of registered hispanics vote Republican if he runs? WOW. That is a bold prediction. I would love to see him get the GOP nod. Bring him on
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
kerry did not represent the left as a whole and had a sh1t policy of the war.

Like I said nothing left but the hardcore dead enders propping up a corrupt regime.

bush's lies are coming back at him faster and faster. just another lame duck until the americans take care of this next nixon.

shame we couldn't have bitchslapped reagan out of office too.

we will make sure to provide the corrupt traitors with no mercy this time...

fascist sympathizers be gone! We have no use for you in a free democratic society.

America doesent need your next civil war you all are gunning for nor do we need to become a third world cesspool.

The south shall not rise again nor shall funamentalists have their say, our forefathers came here to escape you feudalist/totalitarian wingnuts

-not be harassed and our democracy subverted every few generation later.

Blah, blah, blah . . . When is your revolution ever going to get here?!? It always seems to be tomorrow. And good luck making the 'corrupt traitors' pay with no guns - you can't storm the halls of power with just protest signs.


No need for guns, bush and co are digging their own political grave.

Just up to the people to clean up the trash once the bag of neoconservatism is tied up properly.

Yes yes we have heard this the past 4 years.

The result is a re-elected president and more control over the house and senate.

See you in '09 with your same tired out rhetoric.

LMAO. You are such a clown. You need to change your avatar, really. That is all you have is we won we won. A long faced uber bore almost beat Bush. The White House is democrat in 2008 no matter who runs. The house and senate might be another story but that remains to be seen. Keep riding the wave of Kool Aid, you are going to look awful red come 08'. Bookmark this post PLEASE, I know I have.

The left said Bush was dead in 04.

Many of us thought that even a bafoon such as Kerry could beat him. And Al Gore? Not a great set of hitters we have been sending up to the plate. Look at the pitcher? FFS

 

imported_Condor

Diamond Member
Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
After a lifetime voting for and working for Democratic candidates and independents, I'm finally going to make the switch and become a Republican.

The reasons are many, not the least of which is age. I turned 55 recently and, having lived more than half my life,
I can't afford to worry anymore about the other guy. It's time for me.

As a Republican, I can now proudly -- indeed, defiantly -- pledge to never again vote for anyone who raises taxes for any reason.
To hell with roads, bridges, schools, police and fire protection, Medicare, Social Security and regulation of the airwaves.

President Bush has promised to give me more tax cuts even though our federal government owes trillions of dollars to its creditors.
But that's someone else's problem, not mine. Republicans are about the here and now, and I'm here now.

As a Republican, I can favor exploiting the environment for everything she's got. No need to worry about quaint notions like posterity and natural legacy.
There are plenty of resources left for everyone, and if we don't use them, someone else will.

I want a party that doesn't worry about things before we have to. Republicans refuse to get hog-tied by theories such as global warming,
ozone depletion, fished-out oceans and disappearing wetlands. The real problems -- if there are any --
aren't forecast to take hold for at least 50 years. So what do I care? I'll be dead.

As a Republican, I can swagger and clamor for war -- in Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia, wherever -- even though I've never fought in one or even been in the military.
I can claim that we're fighting for Democracy, ignoring reports of torture at Abu Ghraib, Bagram Air Base and Guantanamo Bay,
and a spreading gulag of secret detention centers around the world.

Freedom, as every American should know after spending $300 billion for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, isn't free.

As a Republican, I can insist on strict moral values when it comes to sex and ignore the growing moral chasms in business,
politics, sports, journalism and the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church.

A society that loses control of its sexual urges faces unwanted pregnancies, socially transmitted disease, broken families.
Those overzealous about wealth, however, produce only a higher GDP, lifelong security for their family and more minimum wage jobs for the lower classes.
What's wrong with that?

As a Republican, I can favor strict punishment of criminals, except for those who happen to be my friends or neighbors.
Isn't that the very definition of community -- looking out for friends and family?

I will be pro-death penalty and anti-abortion, pro-child but anti-child care, for education but against funding of public schools. As a Republican,
I'll have a better chance of getting to spout my opinions in the media, which for some reason seems convinced that since Bush was re-elected
with the smallest electoral margin of any sitting president in history, liberals are passe.

As a Republican, I'll say goodbye to "old Jesus" and hello to "new Jesus. " Sure Christ started out as a liberal Jew, and look where that got him.
Compassion, love and diatribes against the rich only encourage the weak and punish the most successful among us.
The Jesus that Republicans worship is a muscular, decisive, pro-war crusader hard at work cleansing the world of evildoers, not,
God forbid, turning the other cheek.

My decision to become a Republican didn't come easily. For years I clung to the idea that the foundation of a democratic society was our implied social contract,
each of us committing some level of personal sacrifice to the common good of all.

I regarded taxes as dues we pay for better roads and schools, safe inspection of meat and dairy products, maintenance of parks and protection of wilderness areas.
I see now that looking out for the common good resulted in shortchanging the most important element in this formula -- me.

Let Democrats continue promising the "greatest good for the greatest number." Republicans clearly have my number -- No. 1.

I'm sure a lot of my friends reading this will ask me, "How can you sleep?" My answer will be, "Who's got time? I'm busy earning money."
While they're bellyaching about rising deficits, the outsourcing of jobs and casualties in Iraq, I'll be marveling at the march of freedom in the Middle East,
upticks in the GDP and the president's plan to link Social Security to the magic of the marketplace.

As a Republican, I simply won't listen to bad news anymore. Bad news doesn't get me or my family anywhere.
If you don't have anything good to say about somebody, don't say anything at all -- unless it happens to be about a Democrat, of course.

(Yeah, I ripped it off . . . but it pretty much sums up today's GOP - spot on)

Yep, Democrats scrafice all. Compare Clintons (both) net worth before and after being in office. You will see that someone certainly scraficed for them! I take it that you did your share.

 

imported_Condor

Diamond Member
Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Ill join the democrats.

1. I can whine all day without ever having to come up with a solution.

Consider me the Howard Dean (You mean Barney?) of this msgboard.
Think my fellow lefties will be able to handle me??????????????????????

 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Vic, you're a Republican? I never see you at the meetings! :laugh:
LP

Originally posted by: Zebo
too extreme Vic...
Not at all.
No country has ever willingly and knowingly turned to communism. Thus, short of violent revolution, the transition must be slow and deceitful. Think of it as baiting the hook and feeling the fish nibble on the line. The examples you gave are perfect for this.
FHA broadens private land ownership by making homeowners and banks beholden to government backing. After all, who really owns a home when the homeowner financed 100% through a bank and that bank insured the loan through the government? When the homeowner defaults, the government gets the house. HUD homes
SBA broadens business opportunities by indebting small businesses to the government, which then places a lien on everything they own, even their private homes.
Ever notice how the uber-left is always playing chicken little? They're eagerly awaiting the next disaster, as we are one economic collapse from their takeover (or have you forgotten the strides the socialists made during the 1930's?). It's much the same way the super-right is always crying wolf, as we are right now just one more terrorist attack from fascism.
BTW, fascism is an easier sell despite its history, as it generates such strong patriotic emotions, thus the 'Pubs are able to operate more in the open.




Even when they get those HUD homes on default they turn right back into PRIVATE hands which is totally against communist manifesto. Similarly with Bankrupt businesses who assets are sold to PRIVATE concerns at auction. These programs seems like a pragmatic way to increase commerce and home ownership opportunity. That theres a few bad apples does'nt make the cart.

I think you go to far still since democrats pimp opposite programs and state apparatus as communism aspouses. No dictator, no "central planning agentcy", no gulag, no all state owned biz and all land.

 

Kerouactivist

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Jul 12, 2001
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My only concern about the presidency in 2008 is that Giuliani will run...If he is on the ticket he will win he or McCain would almost be surefire victories IMHO....Fortunately the republicans espicially in primary voting are too wacked out...so they'll put someone like Frist Etc... in there and the dems will win.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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BTW vic only communist thing I see is property taxes, since you never really own your property this way. I dunno who likes those but I think they are everywhere!!!
:|

As far as 100% financed HUD/VA.. no one is forcing these people in these agreements, they can go conventional (if they have the dough) which they don't.. Again it's just a pragmatic way to increase home ownership.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Zebo
The White House is democrat in 2008 no matter who runs

How much you wanna bet?

Jeb in a landslide... He's got the hispanic vote wrapped up with his wife and he's about 50x more personable than his brother.

I personally don't put much stock into another southerner getting elected president in '08.

Jebs a blue-blood from Maine... carpet bagger.

I think that Jeb's 'Terry Schaivo' pandering killed his appeal.

Who else they got?

Sen. George Allen is looking like a possible contender. Hasn't Jeb already said he's not running?

More poinently who the Dems got that can beat him? Dean anit no Bill Clinton.. And his wife is rough around the edges too.

Gov. Mark Warner has already formed an exploratory committee, and has made a few unofficial trips out west. Could be the all-Virginia politicians race. Warner, having actually won election as a Democrat in a confirmed Red state, could be a strong contender. The Washington Post sure has been cheerleading him.


Hey he looks electable.

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Governor/GovBioHome.html
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
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Blah, blah, blah . . . When is your revolution ever going to get here?!? It always seems to be tomorrow. And good luck making the 'corrupt traitors' pay with no guns - you can't storm the halls of power with just protest signs.
This thread is of course wholly useless, but LOL at this. It is pretty funny how the revolution is always just around the bend. Not today, definitely not tomorrow, but soon dammit!
 

NeenerNeener

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Jun 8, 2005
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Someone earlier said that all republicans are fascists and all democrats are communists. What a load of horse pucky!

Take The Test

See where you land. I guarantee you most of us are much closer to the middle than you think. Plus I bet some who consider themselves left will find themselves slightly to the right of center. In addition to that, there are two axes, not this lame simplistic, right-left stuff! The Y axis is authoritarian and libertarian. If you think about what you think your government should be in more than one dimension, you'll find it's harder to simplify things to the point of retardation.

For instance, I assume the model for fascism would be WWII Germany, and the model for Communism would have been the USSR. (note: socialist republic, NOT COMMUNIST republic). Perhaps you use Stalin as your communist model dictator and Hitler as the fascist dictator. What you fail to notice is that both your models are DICTATORS!!! They both fall under the authoritarian side rather than the libertarian!

Now, I've been reading so much hot air here that I've come to realize that most of you don't seem to even understand what you want. A common thread though seems to be "less government".

Now open your minds (creaaaaaaak!, poof!) and imagine that there can be not only authoritarian, dictatorship lefts and rights, but also LIBERTARIAN lefts and rights. Take the test, and see which QUADRANT you end up in. Please also note the past and present leaders and where they lie on the graph.

And please...for the love of GOD! No more of this left-right slippery-slope crap!

Thank you and have a good day.
 

colonel

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Apr 22, 2001
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you will be rewarded in the after life like Mussolini, Franco,Pinochet....for your "god"...
 
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