why is being a muslim disatrous

[Confusednewbie1552]

First off: Yes I (and hope that you) know that Obama is a christian. Also, Im not sure if I should post this in politics and news, or whether or not this has been discussed before but...

why does it even matter whether or not barrack obama is a muslim?

is our country really that intolerant? I mean if it is, shouldn't we be trying to do something about that?

I feel that so long we as a people consider being a muslim is "bad", we will never make any peaceful breakthroughs in the middle east. How could we deal and peacefully cooperate with people we inherently/subconsiciously believe are evil?

Im sorry if im being ignorant here, but honestly, if anything, being a muslim and running for the highest office in the land to me would be as good as being a black man running for the highest office in the land.

 

[GeordieLife]

How many christian rulers in the middle east? I couldn't care less what religion he is. I'm English. He seems like a tool though.

I can't believe he's having Joss Stone (an English girl from Devon) singing his campaign song. Flag waving americans are sure to love that!

 

[boomerang]

Some Muslims take a passage in a book very seriously. This passage in essence says that all non-Muslims must die. Although we're told that Muslims are a peaceful people, the violent ones have the financial backing and means to wreak havoc on the world at this point in time.

If they succeed, this faction will have the entire planet either adopt their beliefs, or die. As all this is happening, the peace loving Muslims are sitting on their hands and doing nothing to rein in the radicals.

So, yes, it matters if BHO is a Muslim.

We don't have to inherently/subconsciously believe they are evil, we know they are. These people flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people. A passage in a book told them to do this. They're killing and blowing up people right now.

The U.S. likes to throw their weight around. We'd like to dictate to people that our way of life (democracy) is best. We've fought wars over this in the past and are doing so right now.

But, we are not telling people which god to worship under penalty of death as radical Muslims are.

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

Edit in bold to clarify my position.

 

[Lonyo]

I think people believe that having a muslim in power would be bad because he or she would try to appease all the muslims in the middle east, who much of the US believes are evil and should be eradicated because of their beliefs which they see as barbaric and evil.
Mainly the problem is that Christian Americans (not all, but a vocal group) as well as others see Islam as being evil because it leads to terrorists etc.
There are also those who (arguably sensibly) don't like Islam because of things like Sharia law, and the way it leads Muslim countries (specifically in the middle east) to treat women badly and other things like stonings, killings for shaming the family etc.
Basically a lot of people havenegative opinions of Islam and muslims and believe that having one in power would be bad because of their religion/culture which is perceived by some as backwards or restricting of rights, and because they don't want terrorists/extremists in the ME being appeased.

I think.

 

[Mucho]

If you are a Muslim and don't want to get your phone tapped and put on the 'no fly list' you better keep your opinions to yourself.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Some Muslims take a passage in a book very seriously. This passage in essence says that all non-Muslims must die. Although we're told that Muslims are a peaceful people, the violent ones have the financial backing and means to wreak havoc on the world at this point in time.

If they succeed, this faction will have the entire planet either adopt their beliefs, or die. As all this is happening, the peace loving Muslims are sitting on their hands and doing nothing to rein in the radicals.

So, yes, it matters if BHO is a Muslim.

We don't have to inherently/subconsciously believe they are evil, we know they are. These people flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people. A passage in a book told them to do this. They're killing and blowing up people right now.

The U.S. likes to throw their weight around. We'd like to dictate to people that our way of life (democracy) is best. We've fought wars over this in the past and are doing so right now.

But, we are not telling people which god to worship under penalty of death as Muslims are.

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.... OK. I'll answer this as seriously as I can.

First, prove to me you aren't a Muslim. Spare me the church you go to, prove it to me. See, you can't! You Muslim extremist terrorist, WHY DO YOU HATE OUR FREEDOMS? WORLD WAR 2 WAS YOUR FAULT.

Second, as a Muslim, YOU ARE A TERRORIST AND YOU HATE AMERICA. YOU TOOK OUR JOBS AND YOU SHOT LINCOLN.

Third, if all Muslims actually declared war on us, as you seem to think they have, I'm pretty sure those 1.3 billion people would have no problem taking over the rest of the planet, seeing as how we're not all that organized. We would die, and they would win. So, umm... you're an idiot.

Fourth, YOU ARE MUSLIM. OMG, YOU DENY THE HOLOCAUST AND KILLED JESUS. EVERYTHING BAD THAT'S EVER HAPPENED IS YOUR FAULT.

In all honesty, people like you are (to me) as bad as Muslim extremists. Those idiots kill innocent people in the name of their religion. You advocate the destruction of one fifth the world's population in the name of religion. Opposite sides of the same retarded coin. The world would be better off without your hatred.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

what the hell?

Originally posted by: GeordieLife
He seems like a tool though.

thats because hes a politician. id rather have him than mccain, and id rather have something cute and furry than either of them.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Secret Muslim theories are as wacky as conspiracy theories. The very idea is just retarded. Like he keeps a Koran in a hollowed-out Bible that he masturbates to at night. You know how you become a Muslim? You recite a Haiku. Going apostate is even easier. Now put two and two together.

I find it more likely that he is a secret Atheist. I'm already wary of him being a Christian. But a practicing Christian and secret Atheist is just contemptible. That said, he does seem to be committed (ostensibly) to separation of church and state.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

In all honesty, people like you are (to me) as bad as Muslim extremists. Those idiots kill innocent people in the name of their religion. You advocate the destruction of one fifth the world's population in the name of religion. Opposite sides of the same retarded coin. The world would be better off without your hatred.

Where in the world did you glean that from my reply?

Why does my reply make you think I have hatred towards Muslims? I'm just pointing out the opposing point of view.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: boomerang

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

what the hell?

He starts off his post stating that it's a fact that BHO is not a Muslim. I'm just pointing out that he has no real way of knowing this. The converse is true also. I don't know that he is.

 

[Linflas]

I can't answer since I have no clue what a "disatrous" is.

 

[cultgag]

You're the one who brought it up. It doesn't matter to me what religion he is. Now his positions are completely a different story.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Some Muslims take a passage in a book very seriously. This passage in essence says that all non-Muslims must die. Although we're told that Muslims are a peaceful people, the violent ones have the financial backing and means to wreak havoc on the world at this point in time.

If they succeed, this faction will have the entire planet either adopt their beliefs, or die. As all this is happening, the peace loving Muslims are sitting on their hands and doing nothing to rein in the radicals.

So, yes, it matters if BHO is a Muslim.

We don't have to inherently/subconsciously believe they are evil, we know they are. These people flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people. A passage in a book told them to do this. They're killing and blowing up people right now.

The U.S. likes to throw their weight around. We'd like to dictate to people that our way of life (democracy) is best. We've fought wars over this in the past and are doing so right now.

But, we are not telling people which god to worship under penalty of death as Muslims are.

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

Prove to me that John McCain is not a Muslim.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Secret Muslim theories are as wacky as conspiracy theories. The very idea is just retarded. Like he keeps a Koran in a hollowed-out Bible that he masturbates to at night. You know how you become a Muslim? You recite a Haiku. Going apostate is even easier. Now put two and two together.

I find it more likely that he is a secret Atheist. I'm already wary of him being a Christian. But a practicing Christian and secret Atheist is just contemptible. That said, he does seem to be committed (ostensibly) to separation of church and state.

Oh please. You think either McCain or Obama believes in invisible fairies? No, they're both nonreligious but go to church for political reasons. Say what you will about dishonesty, but religion is the biggest dishonesty possible, and being a Protestant Christian is required to get anywhere in politics. I'd rather have a president who is an atheist or agnostic and goes to church than one who believes the earth is 6000 years old, men are made from clay and women from a man's rib, that virgins can become pregnant, and that resurrection is possible, spirit channeling, horoscopes, OR that his duty is to kill infidels.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Secret Muslim theories are as wacky as conspiracy theories. The very idea is just retarded. Like he keeps a Koran in a hollowed-out Bible that he masturbates to at night. You know how you become a Muslim? You recite a Haiku. Going apostate is even easier. Now put two and two together.

I find it more likely that he is a secret Atheist. I'm already wary of him being a Christian. But a practicing Christian and secret Atheist is just contemptible. That said, he does seem to be committed (ostensibly) to separation of church and state.

Oh please. You think either McCain or Obama believes in invisible fairies? No, they're both nonreligious but go to church for political reasons. Say what you will about dishonesty, but religion is the biggest dishonesty possible, and being a Protestant Christian is required to get anywhere in politics. I'd rather have a president who is an atheist or agnostic and goes to church than one who believes the earth is 6000 years old, men are made from clay and women from a man's rib, that virgins can become pregnant, and that resurrection is possible, spirit channeling, horoscopes, OR that his duty is to kill infidels.

I disagree. Knowing better and going through the motions anyway is uniquely dishonest. Genuine belief I can chalk up to human fallibility. Believing that the Earth is 6000 years old is just stupid, but faking that you believe the Earth is 6000 years old is a level of cynicism and dishonesty I'm not comfortable with.

All this "secret religion" crap is just speculation anyway. I'm more inclined to just take their words for it.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Secret Muslim theories are as wacky as conspiracy theories. The very idea is just retarded. Like he keeps a Koran in a hollowed-out Bible that he masturbates to at night. You know how you become a Muslim? You recite a Haiku. Going apostate is even easier. Now put two and two together.

I find it more likely that he is a secret Atheist. I'm already wary of him being a Christian. But a practicing Christian and secret Atheist is just contemptible. That said, he does seem to be committed (ostensibly) to separation of church and state.

I don't know if contemptible is a fair word. Do you think an avowed atheist could get elected president in the US? As for Obama's religion, or that thereof, in this interview Christopher Hitchens argues Obama is agnostic and simply doing the Christian thing for political reasons. If true, he certainly wouldn't be the first politician to have done that.

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[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: boomerang
Some Muslims take a passage in a book very seriously. This passage in essence says that all non-Muslims must die. Although we're told that Muslims are a peaceful people, the violent ones have the financial backing and means to wreak havoc on the world at this point in time.

If they succeed, this faction will have the entire planet either adopt their beliefs, or die. As all this is happening, the peace loving Muslims are sitting on their hands and doing nothing to rein in the radicals.

So, yes, it matters if BHO is a Muslim.

We don't have to inherently/subconsciously believe they are evil, we know they are. These people flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people. A passage in a book told them to do this. They're killing and blowing up people right now.

The U.S. likes to throw their weight around. We'd like to dictate to people that our way of life (democracy) is best. We've fought wars over this in the past and are doing so right now.

But, we are not telling people which god to worship under penalty of death as Muslims are.

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

Prove to me that John McCain is not a Muslim.

Exactly

As I pointed out several posts up, how would we know? The OP bases his post on what can only be an assumption.

 

[Regs]

Ancient religion meets mordern times.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: grrl

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Secret Muslim theories are as wacky as conspiracy theories. The very idea is just retarded. Like he keeps a Koran in a hollowed-out Bible that he masturbates to at night. You know how you become a Muslim? You recite a Haiku. Going apostate is even easier. Now put two and two together.

I find it more likely that he is a secret Atheist. I'm already wary of him being a Christian. But a practicing Christian and secret Atheist is just contemptible. That said, he does seem to be committed (ostensibly) to separation of church and state.

I don't know if contemptible is a fair word. Do you think an avowed atheist could get elected president in the US? As for Obama's religion, or that thereof, in this interview Christopher Hitchens argues Obama is agnostic and simply doing the Christian thing for political reasons. If true, he certainly wouldn't be the first politician to have done that.

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I love me some Hitch. Wow, he looks drunker than usual.

Anyway, no, I don't think an "out" Atheist could be elected President. Or to congress for that matter. Though I think there is one avowed Atheist in congress, but he came out while already in office. It's also statistically probable that there are more "closet" Atheists in congress. "Contemptible" might be harsh, but they are no less hypocrites than than say, Larry Craig, who most certainly is contemptible.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: boomerang

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

what the hell?

He starts off his post stating that it's a fact that BHO is not a Muslim. I'm just pointing out that he has no real way of knowing this. The converse is true also. I don't know that he is.

Well, that simplifies things. Clearly everyone in the world is a Muslim. There's no real way of knowing they aren't.

 

[mugs]

We've only even managed to have one president who was Catholic. That was a big deal, and that's only a different variety of Christian. :laugh: Too many people want this to be a Christian nation, with religion permeating the law. Electing a Muslim would throw a wrench in the works. And of course you have the bigots like boomerang who blame all Muslims for not preventing 9/11, but apparently give all Christians a pass for their acts of terrorism.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
First off: Yes I (and hope that you) know that Obama is a christian. Also, Im not sure if I should post this in politics and news, or whether or not this has been discussed before but...

why does it even matter whether or not barrack obama is a muslim?

Because 80% of the u.s. population professes to be christian. It might squeak by in a lower level office.

is our country really that intolerant? I mean if it is, shouldn't we be trying to do something about that?

Yes. Yes, good luck.

I feel that so long we as a people consider being a muslim is "bad", we will never make any peaceful breakthroughs in the middle east.

Many don't want peace in the middle east. There's too much money to be made with the conflict.

How could we deal and peacefully cooperate with people we inherently/subconsiciously believe are evil?

We can't. -or- Lie.

Im sorry if im being ignorant here, but honestly, if anything, being a muslim and running for the highest office in the land to me would be as good as being a black man running for the highest office in the land.

Apology accepted.

 

[0roo0roo]

the muslim religion remains unreformed. there is credible critical bible scholarship in Christianity. the documents are from many sources, second hand, edited, changed through time and from different or contradictory perspectives.
the muslim religion on the other hand is based on the perfect unchanged through time view of the koran and that it is direct from god as it gets. its countless flaws are hard to explain away. and as muslims readily admit, its more a total way of life rather than a regular religion. and of course mohammed mixed religion and government and the military in a rather horrible way. if you profess to follow this ideology yes, it is highly relevant when it comes to positions like the president.
the question isn't why being a muslim is bad. its why would it be good.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Some Muslims take a passage in a book very seriously. This passage in essence says that all non-Muslims must die. Although we're told that Muslims are a peaceful people, the violent ones have the financial backing and means to wreak havoc on the world at this point in time.

Which passage in which book? You've read this yourself or heard about it from others?

If they succeed, this faction will have the entire planet either adopt their beliefs, or die. As all this is happening, the peace loving Muslims are sitting on their hands and doing nothing to rein in the radicals.

So, yes, it matters if BHO is a Muslim.

And this is differs from the basic goals of any other religion how?

We don't have to inherently/subconsciously believe they are evil, we know they are.

All muslims? There is just the slightest chance that this is an over-broad generalization. Will you feel stupid if proved so? How does one go about proving that another is not evil? How do I know that you're not evil? Is there a checklist you could post or link to?

These people flew planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people. A passage in a book told them to do this. They're killing and blowing up people right now.

The U.S. likes to throw their weight around. We'd like to dictate to people that our way of life (democracy) is best. We've fought wars over this in the past and are doing so right now.

But, we are not telling people which god to worship under penalty of death as radical Muslims are.

Prove to me BHO is not a Muslim. Spare me the church he goes to. Prove it to me.

Edit in bold to clarify my position.

How old are you? I can visualize you stamping your feet protesting that others don't agree with you.

You're not really this naive, are you?

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

I love me some Hitch. Wow, he looks drunker than usual.

Anyway, no, I don't think an "out" Atheist could be elected President. Or to congress for that matter. Though I think there is one avowed Atheist in congress, but he came out while already in office. It's also statistically probable that there are more "closet" Atheists in congress. "Contemptible" might be harsh, but they are no less hypocrites than than say, Larry Craig, who most certainly is contemptible.

Agreed.