Why is Marijuana Illegal???????

[hopeless879]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Beau
It impairs your consciousness to an unsafe level, nuff said.

Correctomundo

If you believe that you are an idiot and have obviously never been high.

And how exactly can your consciousness be unsafe?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic
I don't "do it," nor have I ever. I dislike your busybody kind, and I hate the harm and expense you place upon society by try to force your excessive morals on others. It's a harmless drug... human catnip. Get over it. And what dumbsh!t (nice filter evasion there) thing do people who smoke pot do besides veg to the TV and eat munchies??

If you've never done it, then you have no grounds to argue "what dumbsh!t (nice filter evasion there) thing do people who smoke pot do besides veg to the TV and eat munchies??" Ever tried driving on weed. I have. It's not as easy as you'd think.

People are so goddamned fscking stupid anyway that I find it hard to believe that ANY drug could make them more stupid. So-called perfectly clean people propel themselves at 100 feet per second in 4,000 pound metal missiles while paying attention to nothing but their cell phone. If you think a minor drug like marijuana is major problem for society then I would say that your priorities are completely whack.

Driving while talking on cellphones is also illegal. Your argument is moot.

Driving while talking on cellphones is only illegal in very rare places, and not where I live. Plus, that wasn't my point and you know that. Hey, you got your position to defend. You think you can legislate a perfect world. The problem is that you are completely and foolishly wrong. You only make the world worse. But hey, I know your kind. When do you push for legislation to make it illegal to fart in a public place?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

I'll stop you right there. If you're not willing to see the legal reasoning, I'm not willing to see your reasoning. Thank you.

Sorry, that post made no sense at all. Legal reasoning? There must (should be) be real reasons in place first for a law to exist... therefore that is the real point of discussion.

Eli is not willing to see the legal reasoning that has been contemplated time and time again to keep pot illegal. I'll let you add the other 1 to find out that it equals 2.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Encryptic


Do I use drugs recreationally? Yes.

Do I use them as safely as possible? Yes.

Am I educated about the possible dangers of drugs? Yes


The fact is, if you use some drugs RESPONSIBLY, there wouldn't be such a problem with them. If only people figured this out instead of tarring all of them with the same brush, maybe we wouldn't be jamming our prisons with non-violent drug offenders.

NOTE: I am not saying all drugs are good and should be legalized. However, marijuana is reasonably harmless and can be enjoyed RESPONSIBLY, if you're not a complete idiot. I stay at home and don't drive when I'm stoned. I hold a good job, pay my taxes, contribute to society. But I smoke pot. OH MY GOD. Lock me up and throw away the key.

I agree with you there. But unfortunately, not everyone is effected the same way. A few people fvck up, and as a precaution, all are forbidden to do so.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

No, he was just pointing out that there isn't all that much to protect us against in marijuana. Definitely not compared to cigarettes, alcohol and over the counter drugs.

EDIT: Or maybe he wasn't saying that. But I am.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

Huh? No, that is not my logic at all.

It is not the government's job to protect us from harming ourselves.. Obviously, or alcohol and cigarettes would be illegal too. Cannabis is not illegal because it is dangerous. That is obsurd. It is illegal for political reasons.

If anyone can actually prove that marijuana kills people, besides anecdotal evidence about somebody who drove into a tree while stoned or went schizophrenic after supposedly smoking pot once, I'd be glad to hear it. Geez.

There are plenty of other things to worry about besides people who are going to get high regardless of how many tax dollars you spend interdicting pot shipments from Mexico.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rogue
The problem with your entire story is that guys like you can't smoke a tree and do dumb $hit, so it was probably a good decision in the end.

Actually the real problem is that most of America has been effectively brainwashed into forgetting that people do dumb sht!t even without the assistance of drugs.

You're absolutely right! But why provide already stupid people with just another reason to add to a pre-existing condition?

As a police officer, Rogue, you have a vested financial interest in maintaining drug prohibition. Therefore, any argument you would make here is worthless.

Actually, his opinions are worth exponentially more than yours, considering he is submitted to the consequences of users on a daily basis.

I'll say it again. You're an idiot. You don't know my experiences, or how I volunteer to help drug users. Prohibition is the cause of the drug problem, not the cure.
edit: by supporting this "precaution," you have made the world a worse place, not a better one. But then I'm very sure that you don't care about the lives that are destroyed, just that you have the smug satisfaction in knowing that if you are denied something, then everyone else must be as well. Thanks a lot, asshole.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: hopeless879

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Beau
It impairs your consciousness to an unsafe level, nuff said.

Correctomundo

If you believe that you are an idiot and have obviously never been high.

And how exactly can your consciousness be unsafe?

Well, I understand what he was trying to say. He was trying to say that it is dangerous, just like alcohol. And I tend to agree, you don't need to be driving while under the influence.

However, that is not the reason it is illegal.

I just think it's funny. People see cannabis as some evil drug due to all the media brainwashing, yet you can go to the grocery store and buy a dozen things that would make you higher than a kite, but it's OK because you can buy it at the store.. lol

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

No, he was just pointing out that there isn't all that much to protect us against in marijuana. Definitely not compared to cigarettes, alcohol and over the counter drugs.

EDIT: Or maybe he wasn't saying that. But I am.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Eli is not willing to see the legal reasoning that has been contemplated time and time again to keep pot illegal. I'll let you add the other 1 to find out that it equals 2.

No Nik, that isn't true. I would be perfectly willing to see the legal reasons behing cannabis being illegal if there were some that made sense.

What are the reasons? It's bad for you? That isn't it, and if it is.. we are a bunch of hypocrites. What other reason could there be? That's what they tout.. It's bad for you. How many familys have been torn apart by cannabis use? How many familys have been torn apart by alcohol abuse?

In my opinion, it is illegal because it is a threat to some very big businesses. Cotton is a big one. Would Cotton be the fabric of our lives if people knew that hemp clothing was softer,more durable and cheaper than cotton clothing? No, I don't think so.

Look. Abusing any drug isn't going to be good for you, but that doesen't mean it should be illegal. Instead of spending billions of dollars locking away harmless potsmokers, the government could be selling it and making billions of dollars on taxes.

With the same set of rules that alcohol and/or cigarettes follow, what the hell would the big deal be?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

No, he was just pointing out that there isn't all that much to protect us against in marijuana. Definitely not compared to cigarettes, alcohol and over the counter drugs.

EDIT: Or maybe he wasn't saying that. But I am.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic
I don't "do it," nor have I ever. I dislike your busybody kind, and I hate the harm and expense you place upon society by try to force your excessive morals on others. It's a harmless drug... human catnip. Get over it. And what dumbsh!t (nice filter evasion there) thing do people who smoke pot do besides veg to the TV and eat munchies??

If you've never done it, then you have no grounds to argue "what dumbsh!t (nice filter evasion there) thing do people who smoke pot do besides veg to the TV and eat munchies??" Ever tried driving on weed. I have. It's not as easy as you'd think.

People are so goddamned fscking stupid anyway that I find it hard to believe that ANY drug could make them more stupid. So-called perfectly clean people propel themselves at 100 feet per second in 4,000 pound metal missiles while paying attention to nothing but their cell phone. If you think a minor drug like marijuana is major problem for society then I would say that your priorities are completely whack.

so much for liberty.
Driving while talking on cellphones is also illegal. Your argument is moot.

Driving while talking on cellphones is only illegal in very rare places, and not where I live. Plus, that wasn't my point and you know that. Hey, you got your position to defend. You think you can legislate a perfect world. The problem is that you are completely and foolishly wrong. You only make the world worse. But hey, I know your kind. When do you push for legislation to make it illegal to fart in a public place?

not to mention mere posession of a cellphone wouldn't get you jail time maybe it should!!

people against pot are people who just love BIG BROTHER!



i hope canada keeps undermining our stupid drug laws until the politicians ahve no choice but to submit.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Vic
Driving while talking on cellphones is only illegal in very rare places, and not where I live. Plus, that wasn't my point and you know that. Hey, you got your position to defend. You think you can legislate a perfect world. The problem is that you are completely and foolishly wrong. You only make the world worse. But hey, I know your kind. When do you push for legislation to make it illegal to fart in a public place?

Explain to me what my kind is?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

No, he was just pointing out that there isn't all that much to protect us against in marijuana. Definitely not compared to cigarettes, alcohol and over the counter drugs.

EDIT: Or maybe he wasn't saying that. But I am.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

Nooo.. That's completely counterproductive.

It isn't the government's job to protect you from yourself. As long as I am not harming anybody else, it's nobodys business what I do.

Besides, we tried making alcohol illegal once. It didn't work. Just like cannabis being illegal doesen't stop people from using it.

All it does is create a black market and artificially drive prices up. If it were legal, there would be no "drug dealers", at least dealing pot. It wouldn't be worth more than gold.

How hard is it to see that we're causing the problem we want to erraticate?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

WTF? You think society is BETTER OFF with things that we kill eachother with every day? Man, you guys are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKT UP!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

No, he was just pointing out that there isn't all that much to protect us against in marijuana. Definitely not compared to cigarettes, alcohol and over the counter drugs.

EDIT: Or maybe he wasn't saying that. But I am.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

Nooo.. That's completely counterproductive.

It isn't the government's job to protect you from yourself. As long as I am not harming anybody else, it's nobodys business what I do.

But that's the problem. I highly doubt people who are stupid enough to smoke pot will do it only in their homes and stay inside for the duration of the effects.

That's where the government comes into play.

 

[Jzero]

I agree with you there. But unfortunately, not everyone is effected the same way. A few people fvck up, and as a precaution, all are forbidden to do so.

While you may disagree with me, that is a nice summation of why I think marijuana should not be illegal, and I don't even like the stuff. I've said it many times before: "It is impossible to legislate stupidity." Attempting to do so is folly, a waste of time, money and manpower. All so we can protect everyone from themselves because of the actions of a moron-minority.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic
Driving while talking on cellphones is only illegal in very rare places, and not where I live. Plus, that wasn't my point and you know that. Hey, you got your position to defend. You think you can legislate a perfect world. The problem is that you are completely and foolishly wrong. You only make the world worse. But hey, I know your kind. When do you push for legislation to make it illegal to fart in a public place?

Explain to me what my kind is?

Farting in a public place hardly puts lives in jeopardy.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

No, he was just pointing out that there isn't all that much to protect us against in marijuana. Definitely not compared to cigarettes, alcohol and over the counter drugs.

EDIT: Or maybe he wasn't saying that. But I am.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

Nooo.. That's completely counterproductive.

It isn't the government's job to protect you from yourself. As long as I am not harming anybody else, it's nobodys business what I do.

But that's the problem. I highly doubt people who are stupid enough to smoke pot will do it only in their homes and stay inside for the duration of the effects.

That's where the government comes into play.

I don't understand your reasoning though.

So should people that drink alcohol be required to stay inside their homes for the duration of the effects?

 

[gistech1978]

whatever someone wants to do with their own body is none of my business
nor is it your business what i do to my own body.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic
Driving while talking on cellphones is only illegal in very rare places, and not where I live. Plus, that wasn't my point and you know that. Hey, you got your position to defend. You think you can legislate a perfect world. The problem is that you are completely and foolishly wrong. You only make the world worse. But hey, I know your kind. When do you push for legislation to make it illegal to fart in a public place?

Explain to me what my kind is?

Simple. For the first time that I can remember, I agree with 0roo0roo. You love "Big Brother." You love being able to tell people what they can do and what they cannot do, and you have no objection to using government and the law to that end. You feel that if you have denied something to yourself, then all others must be denied as well (this part applies particularly to ffmcobalt). For the safety of all, of course. And your sense of justice is so skewed that you believe that "preventing" crime is the same as punishing crime, or how else could you believe that preventing people from smoking weed in the privacy of their own homes is the same as punishing a murderer?

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

WTF? You think society is BETTER OFF with things that we kill eachother with every day? Man, you guys are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKT UP!

Grow up, will you? As Eli pointed out, it is NOT the government's job to protect us from ourselves.

It's still pretty stupid that tobacco and alcohol are legal while marijuana isn't. Alcohol and tobacco are legal yet have been proven time and time again to be detrimental to our health and that of the people around us.

Marijuana seems to be hyped as some killer drug, despite the lack of conclusive evidence pointing to this and the lack of many dead pot smokers to corroborate this. Why is it illegal?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic
Driving while talking on cellphones is only illegal in very rare places, and not where I live. Plus, that wasn't my point and you know that. Hey, you got your position to defend. You think you can legislate a perfect world. The problem is that you are completely and foolishly wrong. You only make the world worse. But hey, I know your kind. When do you push for legislation to make it illegal to fart in a public place?

Explain to me what my kind is?

Farting in a public place hardly puts lives in jeopardy.

Neither does someone smoking weed in their own home put anyones life in jeopardy. Your point?

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Eli
Wow, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

The real answer is, there is no good reason for it to be illegal. Protecting people from themselves isn't good enough an answer, and is very hypocritical considering cigarettes, alcohol, and a whole boatload of prescription and over the counter drugs are "OK", dispite having LD50s.

So by that logic, we may as well throw the rest of the laws out the window too, because, hey, why should the government try to protect us, even from ourselves?

No, he was just pointing out that there isn't all that much to protect us against in marijuana. Definitely not compared to cigarettes, alcohol and over the counter drugs.

EDIT: Or maybe he wasn't saying that. But I am.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

Nooo.. That's completely counterproductive.

It isn't the government's job to protect you from yourself. As long as I am not harming anybody else, it's nobodys business what I do.

But that's the problem. I highly doubt people who are stupid enough to smoke pot will do it only in their homes and stay inside for the duration of the effects.

That's where the government comes into play.

I don't understand your reasoning though.

So should people that drink alcohol be required to stay inside their homes for the duration of the effects?

Well, most states and cities have laws against public drunkenness and open containers in public. To prevent drunks from getting into mischief.
And, quite frankly, I support these laws. I'd be fine if smoking pot in public and being stoned in public was illegal.