Why is Marijuana Illegal???????

[imported_Papi]

It's not in Toronto

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: yayo
It's not in Toronto

Show off!

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: yayo
It's not in Toronto

Yeah, but....it's Toronto....

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: skace Guess what FFM, what you witnessed will happen, whether pot is legal or illegal. This is the world we live in. It will happen everyday, somewhere, somehow. And you know what else? Even worse things will happen. You cannot baby proof the world.

It wouldn't have happened if he weren't high. The other reasons that these things happen, like driving drunk, are currently illegal and it happens anyway. I realize that. But why legalize something so dangerous just because people will do it anyway?

So that those of us who don't kill people will be able to enjoy it. Everything in this world can be dangerous if used incorrectly or abused. Yet we do not deprive those who do not misuse of it. It is also well known that the more you deprive someone of something, the greater their urge to abuse it.

Although I don't believe in destiny to the full effect, it is most likely that: had your uncle never found pot, he would have found something equally bad to do and ended up the same way.

Exactly. As I pointed out before,,even water can kill you if you drink too much of it. It's all about being educated and being responsible. I personally work 40 hours a week at a good job, then I occasionally come home and smoke some pot to unwind after work or on the weekends. It does not interfere with my ability to do my job, and I keep it separate from my job.

A lot of the people I know that smoke pot are like this as well. Responsible adults who smoke pot on their own time and hold good jobs, pay their taxes, etc. etc.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: yayo
It's not in Toronto

Yeah, but....it's Toronto....

Im sorry, did you say you lived in NJ?

My sympathies

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: yayo
It's not in Toronto

Show off!

do you know who you are talking to? pffft!

 

[imported_Papi]

water can kill me? OMG what are the side effect?

I have to pee a lot......

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: yayo
water can kill me? OMG what are the side effect?

I have to pee a lot......

"Dean Jennings didn't die of an aneurysm. He didn't die of any natural causes. He died of water intoxication due to the conduct of pledging, hazing,"

We must ban this horrible water. It's also a key ingredient in acid rain!

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: yayo
water can kill me? OMG what are the side effect? I have to pee a lot......

It is called drowning genious.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: yayo
water can kill me? OMG what are the side effect? I have to pee a lot......

It is called drowning genious.

it's genius, and don't you forget it!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
It's not as easily available to the average joe who doesn't know sh|t about where to look to get it. That was my point. Any moron can go buy beer at the local store. It's not as easy to buy marajuana. At least, around here it's not.

LOL!

Sorry to trounce on you and stuff, but Oregon is well known for being a cannabis mecca. I could probably locate some in about 15 minutes.

Oh, and probably contrary to popular belief here.. I'm not currently smoking. I quit over 2 months ago, cold turkey, no problems.. because I need to find a job and I don't want a drug test to screw up anything I get lined up.

Ugh. Drug tests.. nah. That's a whole 'nother thread.

I know full well about Oregon. If you know where to get it, you'll easily be able to find it --and find other places to get it.

Nevermind. I must not be explaining myself correctly.

 

[BD2003]

Sure, marijuana can mess you up. Sometimes it can put you in another world. But it will never impair your judgement to the point where youll start to do stupid things that will get other people killed. I hate to be the one to say it, but the fact that your uncle was in that accident and got himself and all those people hurt was not because he was high, but because he was stupid enough to get high and drive. Thats his own personal stupidity, and had nothing to do with the drug. And to be honest, I find it hard to believe that it was just weed. I would love to smoke some weed that would trip me out to the point where I hallucinated I was following a school of fish. It doesnt do that on its own. That sounds like the work of shrooms or LSD, or a mix of weed with something else.

When youre drunk, for some reason stupid things that can get you hurt seem like fun. When youre high, youre usually too lazy or paranoid to do anything crazy like driving. But unlike alcohol, which the vast majority of people seem to agree is stupid to drive on, most smokers I know (myself not included) actually think being high makes you a better driver. I absolutely hate getting in the car with them, but I got to do it. Its more of a macho thing for them than the drug impairing your judgement.

Anyway, the point you need to realize is that we are living in the real world. Here in the real world, just because something is illegal doesnt mean people are going to stop doing. That only happens in fantasy happy happy world. Here in the real world, where drugs are illegal, instead of stupid people lounging around and retards causing the occasional accident (which is a crime in its own right, regardless of intoxication, the PERSON is always at fault) we have drug lords, drug dealers, occasional unsafe weed, a jail population full of people whove done nothing to harm anyone else, and a myriad of other problems. The point is, is that making marijuana illegal causes MORE problems that if it was legal. I didnt enjoy hearing about a dealer friend of mine getting shot at cause a rival dealer was robbing his stash. I didnt appreciate getting ticketed for possession when I was doing nothing but laughing around with some friends of mine, hurting absolutely nobody. To be honest, I could not tell you a single incident of how my or my friends marijuana use has adversely affected anyone else whatsoever.

Smoking weed isnt dangerous to you or to anyone else. Its the stupid things that you do when youre on it. By all means, in a world where its legal, harsher punishment for people who do things while on marijuana, ESPECIALLY driving. I mean, by using that rationale for keeping weed illegal, you HAVE to agree that alcohol should be illegal as well. The potential for problems is far greater with a substance like alcohol. But I dont agree with making an otherwise safe substance illegal just because people dont know any better than to stop acting like retards and getting themselves and other people in trouble.

I cant stand a rowdy drunk, but I probably wouldnt be able to stand those people sober. And I like to drink every now and then as well. Lets admit it, drinking is damn fun. But I dont drink too often, because its just TOO impairing, and makes me into a moron. But I swear, after a long day of work or school, there is absolutely nothing better in the world than kicking back, putting on some music, flipping on the blacklight, and smoking a gigantic blunt. So I'm just gonna come out and say it. Marijuana has made my life better. Sure, itd still be great without it, but not nearly as much fun. There were times when I indulged far too often, but thats my own personal choice, not the work of an addiction. You wanna see an addiction, talk to me after Ive had a day with no cigarettes. The funny thing is, is that I once was vehemently against it. It was like "Oh no! Drugs bad!" like everyone else who had it drilled into their heads. Then as me and my friends got older, people starting doing it, and it got passed around. Tried it, loved it, and havent looked back since. And out of the dozens of people that Ive been with on their first smoke, pretty much every single one agreed that it was nothing like what they thought it was gonna be, and that they really really enjoyed it. Its not for everyone, but if you can control yourself, why the hell should it stay illegal?

 

[0roo0roo]

most of fmcobalts objections with marijana also apply to religion which he so deeply loves. religion can be a very dangerous thing as we all know. its funny fmmcobalt isn't for making it illegal. its just consistency we want you know.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: Ynog
http://www.earthgreen.org/hemp.htm

But in the early 1900?s, as the paper industry grew, it came to a crossroads, needing to choose between hemp and trees as its primary source of pulp. If the hemp plant was chosen, the logging industry would be threatened with financial ruin.
William Hearst, owner of a large timber company and many newspapers printed from tree-derived paper, started a campaign to stop hemp. He filled his newspapers with stories portraying hemp as a drug used by ?criminals and minorities.? Hearst used the Mexican slang word ?marijuana? instead if ?hemp? to help change its image from the all-American plant to an evil drug ?used by minorities. Hearst was joined by Du Pont and several other companies that saw a potential for profit in outlawing hemp. For Hearst and his enormous timber company, making hemp illegal was attractive because it guaranteed an enormous market for paper made from wood. For Du Pont, making hemp illegal would eliminate the stiffest competition for the company?s new synthetic fabrics, such as nylon. Because of their efforts, people became afraid of this ?dangerous drug,? and hemp became illegal. In the process, many potential benefits to our society were also lost.
The fact that some forms of the hemp plant also produce a psychoactive substance (THC) should not blind us to the tremendous benefits this plant can provide. Hemp can be grown without any THC, making it pharmacologically inert and completely undesirable to smoke.

Edit: Forgot the link

DING DING DING we have a winner!!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
most of fmcobalts objections with marijana also apply to religion which he so deeply loves. religion can be a very dangerous thing as we all know. its funny fmmcobalt isn't for making it illegal. its just consistency we want you know.

Religion, unlike drugs, has to be consciously accepted and followed.

Next?

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Beau


I've probably done more drugs than most people on this board, I still strongly support their being illegal.

good point, everyone should suffer because you're too stupid to use self-control.

 

[thomsbrain]

actually, marijuana can be a hallucinagen, but you have to take an incredible amount of it. you basically have to take it orally, and by the point you get visuals and things, you're so stoned out of your mind you can barely open your eyes, let alone attempt to drive.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rogue
The problem with your entire story is that guys like you can't smoke a tree and do dumb $hit, so it was probably a good decision in the end.

Actually the real problem is that most of America has been effectively brainwashed into forgetting that people do dumb sht!t even without the assistance of drugs.

You're absolutely right! But why provide already stupid people with just another reason to add to a pre-existing condition?

As a police officer, Rogue, you have a vested financial interest in maintaining drug prohibition. Therefore, any argument you would make here is worthless.

I don't think that is completely fair to Rogue. If you really think about it Vic, most cops are tired of hassling with dime bag potheads, and would like to be out busting the crack dealers and the wife beaters. Instead, someone decides to get tough on weed to improve some stats and issues a memo to start arresting anyone for any amount. I wouldn't say he has that much of a vested interest. We need police regardless of the legality of marijuana. Just trying to see the issue from both sides.

I honestly do think marijuana should be legal, even though I would not partake. I don't like the way it makes me feel and it has a negative impact on me(laziness and paranoia). I would much prefer to drink over marijuana simply because I don't as much of the mindfvck if I drink a few beers.

I will still say that I really don't have a problem with a lot of the minor drugs. Now start throwing Cocaine, Meth, Heroin, etc into the equation and I am vehemently against them being legal. I think the productivity of country would be at stake and crime would skyrocket. There are a LOT of misconceptions about drugs(like Rohypnol being a date rape drug, yeah right if you were going to use something use Halcion since it is still prescribed in the US, doesn't have the blue dye, and is much more potent) GHB being a huge danger(yeah if you fvcking drink the whole bottle or you don't know how to test strengths). A majority of all drug related deaths come from STUPID people doing something EVEN stupider. Hell, I bet most people don't know that Grapefruit juice inhibits the CYP 3A inhibitor in your brain and so does erythromycin AND Prozac, which can cause the drug to have a prolonged half-life and a greater Plasma concentration.

All this information is out there, but your average drug user isn't that smart. I think the Pro-Marijuana movement could be a lot more valid and welcome if they got rid of some of the idiots that support them. Would you want a Klansman supporting your initiatives just because they like to get high? As with all movements that want to change society's viewpoint, you can't let freaking retards be your point men or your plank starters.

But I digress...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Rogue
The problem with your entire story is that guys like you can't smoke a tree and do dumb $hit, so it was probably a good decision in the end.

Actually the real problem is that most of America has been effectively brainwashed into forgetting that people do dumb sht!t even without the assistance of drugs.

You're absolutely right! But why provide already stupid people with just another reason to add to a pre-existing condition?

As a police officer, Rogue, you have a vested financial interest in maintaining drug prohibition. Therefore, any argument you would make here is worthless.

Actually, his opinions are worth exponentially more than yours, considering he is submitted to the consequences of users on a daily basis.

Unfortunately, they are not.

As a Police Officer, Rogue gets somewhat of a skewed view of things. He has to clean up the mess that irresponsible people make every day. What about the millions of people that use marijuana that DON'T cause any problems? I'd be willing to wager that in any given year, Rogue deals with far more abusive and violent drunks than he does potheads.

And yes, he does have a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal. Think about how much money gets poured into police budgets every year courtesy of the "war on drugs". If that money disappears, the police department will be forced to lay off staff, threatening his job.

I don't think a significant amount of money would be taken from anyone's budget if marijuana was made legal. The war on drugs may be fighting against marijuana right now, but I think anyone with street experience or prior drug usage knows where the danger lies. The danger lies in those who cannot control themselves, or drugs with a nature that make someone uncontrollable. Marijuana certainly does not fall into that category. If we wanted to categorize things, it would make more sense to start spending more time rooting out Cocaine, Meth, Heroin, X(people still ODing), PCP, and other drugs that are highly addictive or can cause major personality change. Alcohol of course is a much more powerful drug than Marijuana, but I would say they affect different people differently. They are not, however, such a dramatic difference that you would be swimming and chasing the fishes like FFM's uncle. That is just utter and complete BS. Either someone lied to you Nik, or you didn't hear the story properly. I believe thomsbrain has already addressed why it would be almost physically impossible.

Now, it is very possible he laced the marijuana himself, or it was laced when he bought it. If this is so, that could explain what happened to him. This brings me to my next point. Lots of hard drugs are unsafe, simply because you NEVER know what you are getting. Marijuana is so easy to produce examine, that people are not going to ever die from it. Can anyone say the same about hard drugs? Probably not. There is no way to determine if someone just sold you GHB or sulfuric acid, or if someone just sold you X and really have you pseudo-ephedrine. There is no quality control there, and for the most part NO RELIABLE way to be SURE of the safety of the product. Legalize those and try to control them, and America goes down the tubes pretty quick. Americans have a propensity for substance abuse that I am not sure is equaled anywhere around the globe.

I still don't think anyone can say Rogue is biased, but rather has a VALID point of view. I haven't seen him say he was against marijuana yet. He mainly spoke in general statement and laughed at the orginal poster's outburst and stupidity.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Beau
Jebus... move to Toronto and STFU.

It impairs your consciousness to an unsafe level, nuff said.

so does alcohol

 

[Brutuskend]

Actually there is a passage in the Bible saying ALL PLANTS BEARING SEEDS ARE FOR MANS USE. (Paraphrased of course)

Anyway, if "GOD" was against it, why would HE have made it in the first place??

God didn't make booze, but he DID pot, so which do you think it's more likely he favors??

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Ynog
http://www.earthgreen.org/hemp.htm

But in the early 1900?s, as the paper industry grew, it came to a crossroads, needing to choose between hemp and trees as its primary source of pulp. If the hemp plant was chosen, the logging industry would be threatened with financial ruin.
William Hearst, owner of a large timber company and many newspapers printed from tree-derived paper, started a campaign to stop hemp. He filled his newspapers with stories portraying hemp as a drug used by ?criminals and minorities.? Hearst used the Mexican slang word ?marijuana? instead if ?hemp? to help change its image from the all-American plant to an evil drug ?used by minorities. Hearst was joined by Du Pont and several other companies that saw a potential for profit in outlawing hemp. For Hearst and his enormous timber company, making hemp illegal was attractive because it guaranteed an enormous market for paper made from wood. For Du Pont, making hemp illegal would eliminate the stiffest competition for the company?s new synthetic fabrics, such as nylon. Because of their efforts, people became afraid of this ?dangerous drug,? and hemp became illegal. In the process, many potential benefits to our society were also lost.
The fact that some forms of the hemp plant also produce a psychoactive substance (THC) should not blind us to the tremendous benefits this plant can provide. Hemp can be grown without any THC, making it pharmacologically inert and completely undesirable to smoke.

Edit: Forgot the link

That's exactly it, the US (buisness) were the big big driving force behind the illegalization of Hemp. After all hemp has been one of the oldest, most important and most versatile cultural plants that mankind cultivated.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: royaldank
DuPont and old fashioned politicians. Pretty soon we are going to be just about the only industrialized world that still considers pot illegal. Canada and most of Europe have decriminilized it for the most part.

It's something fun to do. It can impair judgement, but not nearly as much as alcohol. Why would someone do it? Because it can be fun. No one has ever overdosed from marijuana. Driving under the influence could be a problem, but not nearly as much as alcohol.

Alcohol is much more of a society problem than pot.

Not true, Pot is illegal everywhere, even in Holland. They just take a laisse fair (sp) approach and accept it, but it is not legal. I heard in Switzerland they were about to make it legal (with restrictions) but I am not sure.

 

[RDWYTruckDriver]

Originally posted by: bittersweet81
WHY??????????????????????????????????????????????

I don't get it.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Vic
Driving while talking on cellphones is only illegal in very rare places, and not where I live. Plus, that wasn't my point and you know that. Hey, you got your position to defend. You think you can legislate a perfect world. The problem is that you are completely and foolishly wrong. You only make the world worse. But hey, I know your kind. When do you push for legislation to make it illegal to fart in a public place?

Explain to me what my kind is?

Farting in a public place hardly puts lives in jeopardy.

Neither does someone smoking weed in their own home put anyones life in jeopardy. Your point?

People under the effects of pot can LEAVE their homes and yards. Jesus! Where the hell is your logic? You're almost as bad at reasoning as the potheads. People who are high on pot do not reason well. The do STUPID THINGS. They run the risk of leaving their humble abode and killing others, potentially.

So either lobby for all of this crap to be illegal and deal with a safer society (ooo, that's gonna be hard), or lobby for all this crap to be legal and deal with a worse society.

I choose a better society.

that is the stupidest thing i've read in my life

i imagine you to sport a mullet - lolz