Why is Marijuana Illegal???????

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Yes. That's right. Because you don't hear about them in the news, they can't possibly exist. Those doctors are hardly intelligent. Lets not resort to belittling eachother and name calling.

Sure, they could, possibly exist. There are also crazy people that kill without any reason, so being crazy should be illegal too.

That would put me away for good.

By your own logic and argument, yes, you should be made illegal. That was a point I was considering bringing up.
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone... "

Like you've never done anything wrong you raving hypocrite?

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing the Fremont bridge, putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard.

I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

I'm sorry to hear that. If he was high on pot, then I'm also sorry it gave you such a bad view of marijuana as well.

On the other hand, crucifying everyone for supporting the use of marijuana or its legalization is not going to bring your uncle back the way he was, and his case is certainly not the norm for marijuana users.

 

[skace]

Guess what FFM, what you witnessed will happen, whether pot is legal or illegal. This is the world we live in. It will happen everyday, somewhere, somehow. And you know what else? Even worse things will happen. You cannot baby proof the world.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing the Fremont bridge, putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard.

I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

I'm sorry to hear that. If he was high on pot, then I'm also sorry it gave you such a bad view of marijuana as well.

On the other hand, crucifying everyone for supporting the use of marijuana or its legalization is not going to bring your uncle back the way he was, and his case is certainly not the norm for marijuana users.

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

 

[Scouzer]

The same reason we need the RIAA.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: skace
Guess what FFM, what you witnessed will happen, whether pot is legal or illegal. This is the world we live in. It will happen everyday, somewhere, somehow. And you know what else? Even worse things will happen. You cannot baby proof the world.

It wouldn't have happened if he weren't high. The other reasons that these things happen, like driving drunk, are currently illegal and it happens anyway. I realize that. But why legalize something so dangerous just because people will do it anyway?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic
Spoken like someone who ACTUALLY has experience. I can vouch for this. When I get high, I'm much more inclined to sit on my butt and listen to music or watch a good movie. In short, I'm RELAXING. I'm not getting drunk and obnoxious or thinking that I can drive my car when I obviously can't. Go ask a group of marijuana users what they do, and the majority of them are going to come back with the same answer.

That's YOU. That's not EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

You're right, that's me.

... and everyone else I know that smokes marijuana. (and there are no shortage of pot smokers in Canada)

Yup. You know all of them. You know everyone in the world who smokes pot. And, because you also know everyone in the world who will smoke pot in the future, your being relaxed when you smoke it actually proves something.

I really don't understand your hostility towards pot.. It's pretty unfounded. You have some sort of personal vendetta against it, you're not using logic..

I'm sure you've been drunk. Being drunk is far worse an experience than being stoned. You loose control of yourself when you're drunk, that does not happen when you smoke. Nobody ever gets high and then completely forgets what happened the day before....

It's more like.. "Dude.. That was cool."

I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing the Fremont bridge, putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard.

I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

Maybe it is an irrational fear of it and it's effects. Maybe I'm NOT thinking rationally. Sorry. I just get so wrapped up in what happened years ago in my head that things seem like the world is going to end if I don't convince people otherwise. Either way... nobody's going to learn the easy way anyway, I guess.

I am very sorry to hear that, and I think it is admirable that you use him as an example of what not to do.

I can assure you that he has problems beyond his pot smoking though... It's easy to blame it, I know, but.. man... are you sure he wasn't on LSD or mushrooms or something? You don't hallucinate like that when you're a regular user... :Q

It's very hard to understand from a 3rd person point of view. It's like a computer savvy person trying to explain computer related things to someone who has never been around them. Some of the concepts are very hard to grasp.

There are a great deal of people who smoke pot, and you would never even know it. You can certainly lead a perfectly normal life while using it, just like you can with alcohol.

There is no excuse for driving intoxicated though. That is when you cross the line into endangering people other than yourself.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Like you've never done anything wrong you raving hypocrite?

I've never said so. But then again, I'm not the one trying to legislate and control other peoples' lives. In other words, I'm not even picking up a stone while you, my friend, are already throwing them.

 

[waylman]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing the Fremont bridge, putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard.

I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

I'm sorry to hear that. If he was high on pot, then I'm also sorry it gave you such a bad view of marijuana as well.

On the other hand, crucifying everyone for supporting the use of marijuana or its legalization is not going to bring your uncle back the way he was, and his case is certainly not the norm for marijuana users.

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

Not at all true. Pot is easily available to anyone that wants it. At least, that's the case in Vancouver.

 

[Jzero]

So let's say a dude gets into a car accident while he's high.

This accident could easily have been prevented if we would have just made automobiles illegal. They spew toxins, they can kill when used improperly, and children who are not even old enough to decide responsibly whether or not to get in the car are often the victims of these horrible devil-devices.

That illustrates my contention with anyone who thinks marijuana should be illegal b/c someone under the influence could potentially do something stupid.

I could use baseball bats. Knives. Shoelaces. Sporks. Electricity. Fingers. There are always going to be morons who can take even the safest thing in the world and still manage to kill themselves or someone else with it.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: skace
Guess what FFM, what you witnessed will happen, whether pot is legal or illegal. This is the world we live in. It will happen everyday, somewhere, somehow. And you know what else? Even worse things will happen. You cannot baby proof the world.

It wouldn't have happened if he weren't high. The other reasons that these things happen, like driving drunk, are currently illegal and it happens anyway. I realize that. But why legalize something so dangerous just because people will do it anyway?

i am sorry about your uncle.... ur mind can wander when you smoke but it usually isnt that bad....but also what you must LEARN is that...marijuana is not DANGEROUS. i keep seeing you post about how weed is a dangerous drug... it is NOT a dangerous drug...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jzero
So let's say a dude gets into a car accident while he's high.

This accident could easily have been prevented if we would have just made automobiles illegal. They spew toxins, they can kill when used improperly, and children who are not even old enough to decide responsibly whether or not to get in the car are often the victims of these horrible devil-devices.

That illustrates my contention with anyone who thinks marijuana should be illegal b/c someone under the influence could potentially do something stupid.

I could use baseball bats. Knives. Shoelaces. Sporks. Electricity. Fingers. There are always going to be morons who can take even the safest thing in the world and still manage to kill themselves or someone else with it.

Exactly.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: waylman

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing the Fremont bridge, putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard.

I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

I'm sorry to hear that. If he was high on pot, then I'm also sorry it gave you such a bad view of marijuana as well.

On the other hand, crucifying everyone for supporting the use of marijuana or its legalization is not going to bring your uncle back the way he was, and his case is certainly not the norm for marijuana users.

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

Not at all true. Pot is easily available to anyone that wants it. At least, that's the case in Vancouver.

It's not as easily available to the average joe who doesn't know sh|t about where to look to get it. That was my point. Any moron can go buy beer at the local store. It's not as easy to buy marajuana. At least, around here it's not.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing the Fremont bridge, putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard.

I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

I'm sorry to hear that. If he was high on pot, then I'm also sorry it gave you such a bad view of marijuana as well.

On the other hand, crucifying everyone for supporting the use of marijuana or its legalization is not going to bring your uncle back the way he was, and his case is certainly not the norm for marijuana users.

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

Well, I'm afraid you're probably barking up the wrong tree. Marijuana is already out there and used in huge numbers. By this time, we would have seen a lot more "Driving While High" arrests in addition to "Driving While Drunk" arrests, legal or not legal.

In my extensive experience with both marijuana and alcohol, alcohol is MUCH MORE of an impairment to your driving ability than pot is. I would prefer not to drive while intoxicated at all, but if I had to, I would choose pot.

The problem here isn't the drug itself, it's how people choose to use it. However, that is part of the risk we have to take, along with many other things in life, like guns, cars, etc.

 

[ghostman]

I go to a very liberal school (ahem...dell dude) and I don't mind legalizing marijuana for medical purposes. But by legalizing marijuana for medical purposes, I mean submitting the drugs through FDA and trial testing after extracting the benefits from hemp and making it into a pill form. That's what all other pharmaceutical drugs go through. So unless you're suffering from glaucoma and willing to fork out $50 for a single pill that you can only get through prescription probably won't get you high at all, please don't throw around the medical benefits of it anymore. In the end, it's not the medical benefits you care about.

It surprises me that a lot of you "for legalization" people are the first to compare it to alcohol and smoking. You know alcohol and smoking are toxic substances, yet you knowingly put marijuana on the same side. Just because it's (possibly) a lesser evil doesn't make it a safe substance. I actually don't care if smoking, alcohol and marijuana are all bought/sold without restriction, granted that everyone who use them are responsible about it (or at least keep the effects away from me). Unfortunately, I don't have that much faith in people.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: waylman

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing the Fremont bridge, putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard.

I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

I'm sorry to hear that. If he was high on pot, then I'm also sorry it gave you such a bad view of marijuana as well.

On the other hand, crucifying everyone for supporting the use of marijuana or its legalization is not going to bring your uncle back the way he was, and his case is certainly not the norm for marijuana users.

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

Not at all true. Pot is easily available to anyone that wants it. At least, that's the case in Vancouver.

It's not as easily available to the average joe who doesn't know sh|t about where to look to get it. That was my point. Any moron can go buy beer at the local store. It's not as easy to buy marajuana. At least, around here it's not.

look round' your neighborhood...probably a good 50% of the people smoke pot ocasionally..and know where to get it/ grows it.
(i made the ### up...but its def up there)

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: waylman
Not at all true. Pot is easily available to anyone that wants it. At least, that's the case in Vancouver.

And that's true both in Vancouver, BC and Vancouver, WA. If anything, prohibition has increased its availability. And its profitibility to those who sell it. Control of the situation will not take place until it is legalized and regulated.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

I understand your fears, but that would certainly not be the case.

The key is drug education, not drug lies. If they would tell people the truth, we wouldn't be having this discussion.. or at least, it would be quite different.

All we have to do is turn to countries where all drugs are legal. With education, drug use actually goes down, not up. Just because you can buy it at the store doesen't mean everybody will start trying it. Do you see what I mean? The people that use it will use it, the people that don't aren't going to start just because it's now available to them.

Besides, you may as well be able to buy it at the store. Ask any 5 highschool or college kids if they can get you some, and 3 of them will whip out their cell phones....

The only difference is that it would be cheaper at the store, more regulated, taxed, etc.

 

[Jzero]

Just because it's (possibly) a lesser evil doesn't make it a safe substance.

Assuming that we could quantify "evilness" and prove that marijuana WAS safer than alcohol or tobacco, the arument should be plainly clear. How can the "worse" vices - alcohol and tobacco - remain legal while the "lesser" vice - marijuana- remains illegal? It is not consistent.

I actually don't care if smoking, alcohol and marijuana are all bought/sold without restriction, granted that everyone who use them are responsible about it (or at least keep the effects away from me). Unfortunately, I don't have that much faith in people.

In that case, unless you support making all three of these items illegal, you have a flaw in your logic.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

I understand your fears, but that would certainly not be the case.

The key is drug education, not drug lies. If they would tell people the truth, we wouldn't be having this discussion.. or at least, it would be quite different.

All we have to do is turn to countries where all drugs are legal. With education, drug use actually goes down, not up. Just because you can buy it at the store doesen't mean everybody will start trying it. Do you see what I mean? The people that use it will use it, the people that don't aren't going to start just because it's now available to them.

Besides, you may as well be able to buy it at the store. Ask any 5 highschool or college kids if they can get you some, and 3 of them will whip out their cell phones....

The only difference is that it would be cheaper at the store, more regulated, taxed, etc.

because it is avaible at the store freely (say..over 18/21 like alcohol people might be curious and try a lethal drug (hard drugs) coke, heroin... etc... since you are saying ALL drugs...what do you say WE do about this problem?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
It's not as easily available to the average joe who doesn't know sh|t about where to look to get it. That was my point. Any moron can go buy beer at the local store. It's not as easy to buy marajuana. At least, around here it's not.

LOL!

Sorry to trounce on you and stuff, but Oregon is well known for being a cannabis mecca. I could probably locate some in about 15 minutes.

Oh, and probably contrary to popular belief here.. I'm not currently smoking. I quit over 2 months ago, cold turkey, no problems.. because I need to find a job and I don't want a drug test to screw up anything I get lined up.

Ugh. Drug tests.. nah. That's a whole 'nother thread.

 

[Electric Amish]

Ugh. Drug tests.. nah. That's a whole 'nother thread.

No doubt. That was the biggest "reason" not to try it that I had to wrestle with. It's just lame since the metabolites of THC remain in your system for so much longer than anything else.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: skace Guess what FFM, what you witnessed will happen, whether pot is legal or illegal. This is the world we live in. It will happen everyday, somewhere, somehow. And you know what else? Even worse things will happen. You cannot baby proof the world.

It wouldn't have happened if he weren't high. The other reasons that these things happen, like driving drunk, are currently illegal and it happens anyway. I realize that. But why legalize something so dangerous just because people will do it anyway?

So that those of us who don't kill people will be able to enjoy it. Everything in this world can be dangerous if used incorrectly or abused. Yet we do not deprive those who do not misuse of it. It is also well known that the more you deprive someone of something, the greater their urge to abuse it.

Although I don't believe in destiny to the full effect, it is most likely that: had your uncle never found pot, he would have found something equally bad to do and ended up the same way.

 

[phatj]

no

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

It's not the norm now because you can't get pot at every Thriftway, Albertsons, Safeway, etc. like you can alcohol. I'm afraid that it will be if made legal.

I understand your fears, but that would certainly not be the case.

The key is drug education, not drug lies. If they would tell people the truth, we wouldn't be having this discussion.. or at least, it would be quite different.

All we have to do is turn to countries where all drugs are legal. With education, drug use actually goes down, not up. Just because you can buy it at the store doesen't mean everybody will start trying it. Do you see what I mean? The people that use it will use it, the people that don't aren't going to start just because it's now available to them.

Besides, you may as well be able to buy it at the store. Ask any 5 highschool or college kids if they can get you some, and 3 of them will whip out their cell phones....

The only difference is that it would be cheaper at the store, more regulated, taxed, etc.

Exactly. If people were better educated about drugs, that would help to eliminate a lot of this mass hysteria concerning marijuana or other drugs. We should be entitled to make our own choices, not have them made for us by the government "for our own protection".

I'm not advocating that everyone should go out and experiment with drugs, but they should at least be EDUCATED about them before they automatically respond with the "Drugs Are Bad. Just Say No." line. Marijuana has not yet been conclusively proven to be some killer drug, and indeed has already been proven to treat glaucoma. These are the things we should be focusing on as well.

Prohibiting people from using drugs is just going to drive more of them to try them out of curiosity, rebellion, etc. If you're going to prohibit, at least educate people about why they're prohibited and what they do to your body or your mind instead of spouting off false hype about them.