Why Linux?

[mordantmonkey]

Linux took me about 2 hours to run a live CD, figure out how to get my internet working, do a hard install, figure out synaptic and a few shell commands, mount my FAT mp3drive, and install Nvidia and a LastFM package. All while making breakfast. I have had zero crashes in the last 3 days, whereas Win98 blue screened at least once every other day.
Sure XP is more stable than win98, but let see: XP $80+... Ubuntu $0. wonder why i went linux?

plus it's a learning experience. while maybe a negative for a lot of "Joe Schmoes", I actually like learning new things.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: kamper

I bet he feels pretty fulfilled. People like you keep him busy!

who are you?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Am I the only one that bored with this thread?

 

[ivwshane]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Am I the only one that bored with this thread?

Nope, I'm done.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: kamper

Originally posted by: Nothinman

But can you agree that as a whole, the end user experience is not the top priority when it comes the over all project of linux?

What overall project? There is none.

Exactly. Why is everyone so obsessed with the notion of linux becoming a drop in replacement for windows? The vast majority of linux users don't give a damn about displacing microsoft, some just like to make fun in stupid ways (like the op, for example).

I, for one, cringe at the thought of linux becoming a windows clone. The job probably can't be done better, it needs to be done differently. The only reason I see to specifically target windows users is maybe for this crowd that seems so intent on seperating themselves from the evil empire before vista comes out, but they need to learn to adapt. Making stupid, draconian statements like "Linux needs to have only one desktop so as not to confuse the microsoft people" is not going to do the world an ounce of good.

Bottom line is that linux will become whatever the people writing the code want it to be and that's what should happen. It's a completely chaotic and decentralized process and nobody controls it by saying that linux needs to gain market share.

If you can learn to think outside the box and realize an OS does'nt need to come bundled with every single peice of software avaiable to users then you might start to see what life would be without Windows. As long as a computer has a solid foundation the apps can be built around it and not integrated into it like the way Window is. Such concepts as Services oriented architecture, Web Services, scalable applications and just about everything else related to software developement revolves around this concept. Don't be so simple minded.

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Such concepts as Services oriented architecture, Web Services, scalable applications and just about everything else related to software developement revolves around this concept. Don't be so simple minded.

Perhaps you'd like to explain service oriented architectures to us. And tell us all about how linux is miles ahead of windows in the area of webservices.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

All I see is "Linux is Free". Sure, it's free if your time is worthless.

Windows has caused me to lose much more time than Linux ever has and on top of that I had to pay for it, now that's a deal!

Exactly. It goes both ways.

XP Professional retail only costs $199.95 if your time is worthless.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: kamper
Perhaps you'd like to explain service oriented architectures to us. And tell us all about how linux is miles ahead of windows in the area of webservices.

Two words, open source. Now get lost troll.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: kamper
Perhaps you'd like to explain service oriented architectures to us. And tell us all about how linux is miles ahead of windows in the area of webservices.

Two words, open source. Get lost troll.

Come on, explain what you mean by "service oriented architecture." I've probably heard a couple of definitions of it, at least.

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: kamper
Perhaps you'd like to explain service oriented architectures to us. And tell us all about how linux is miles ahead of windows in the area of webservices.

Two words, open source. Now get lost troll.

The words "open source" are not an incantation that magically make everything perfect. Now how about you back up your claims by explaining why we need soa and why linux is so far ahead? I'll get lost graciously when you actually win the argument but you can't expect people to bow to you because you spout buzz words.

 

[Chosonman]

Services Oriented Architecture: The concept that individual services(applications) should be seperate from each other and be able to communicate via plateform independent language or interface. To avoid the complexity and difficulties realated to such things as scalability in non application independent software.

Open source/Open Standard: The concept in which software source code should be openly available to all for the benefit of everyone, and a standard set of coding practices and formats should be developed so there are few descrepancies when communicating from one application to another.

Learn more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-Oriented_Architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

Now get lost troll.

 

[kamper]

Nice try...

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Services Oriented Architecture: The concept that individual services(applications) should be seperate from each other and be able to communicate via plateform independent language or interface. To avoid the complexity and difficulties realated to such things as scalability in non application independent software.

That's precisely it. SOA is geared towards making the parts of an application platform independent, which means that you can implement them on windows just the same as you can implement them on linux. This is in no way any impetus for either using or excluding any particular operating system. In reality, most of the hype about soa goes on in the java and .net communities. Neither of these make any suggestion that linux is better than windows (indeed, .net is obviously a very windows-centric platform).

Open source/Open Standard: The concept in which software source code should be openly available to all for the benefit of everyone, and a standard set of coding practices and formats should be developed so there are few descrepancies when communicating from one application to another.

Linux isn't a standard nor does it's existence contribute to the development of soa-oriented standards. Microsoft, on the other hand, participates very heavily in w3c activities and has contributed an enormous amount to many webservice related standards. I'm not saying their track record is perfect with regards to openness, but you certainly can't claim that they're against the concept of soa or webservices. Again, .net is one of the most popular platforms for the implementation of such standards.

Learn more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-Oriented_Architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

Thanks, but if I actually needed wikipedia to tell me what your buzzwords meant, I'm perfectly capable of finding the articles myself.

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: kamper
I bet he feels pretty fulfilled. People like you keep him busy!

who are you?

Sorry, must have forgotten to introduce myself. I'm kamper and as you can see, I'm a platypus. Been hanging out here for a couple of years and until recently I was a penguin but the level of fanboyism around here just made it feel kinda silly so I switched. Anything else you'd like to know?

Since we're exchanging pleasantries, what's your story?

 

[ivwshane]

Originally posted by: kamper
Nice try...

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Services Oriented Architecture: The concept that individual services(applications) should be seperate from each other and be able to communicate via plateform independent language or interface. To avoid the complexity and difficulties realated to such things as scalability in non application independent software.

That's precisely it. SOA is geared towards making the parts of an application platform independent, which means that you can implement them on windows just the same as you can implement them on linux. This is in no way any impetus for either using or excluding any particular operating system. In reality, most of the hype about soa goes on in the java and .net communities. Neither of these make any suggestion that linux is better than windows (indeed, .net is obviously a very windows-centric platform).

Open source/Open Standard: The concept in which software source code should be openly available to all for the benefit of everyone, and a standard set of coding practices and formats should be developed so there are few descrepancies when communicating from one application to another.

Linux isn't a standard nor does it's existence contribute to the development of soa-oriented standards. Microsoft, on the other hand, participates very heavily in w3c activities and has contributed an enormous amount to many webservice related standards. I'm not saying their track record is perfect with regards to openness, but you certainly can't claim that they're against the concept of soa or webservices. Again, .net is one of the most popular platforms for the implementation of such standards.

Learn more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-Oriented_Architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

Thanks, but if I actually needed wikipedia to tell me what your buzzwords meant, I'm perfectly capable of finding the articles myself.

Damn that was a burn and a half!!

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: ivwshane
Originally posted by: kamper

Damn that was a burn and a half!!

I assume you give him hand jobs too? ...Brokeback Mountain...

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: ivwshane
Originally posted by: kamper

Damn that was a burn and a half!!

I assume you give him hand jobs too? ...Brokeback Mountain...

Wow. Gay bashing.

Congratulations I've haven't seen anybody insinuate 'you teh gay' on Anandtech before, that I can remember. At least in this specific forum. Thanks for bringing all of us in on this new low.:disgust:

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: ivwshane
Originally posted by: kamper

Damn that was a burn and a half!!

I assume you give him hand jobs too? ...Brokeback Mountain...

Wow. Gay bashing.

Congratulations I've haven't seen anybody insinuate 'you teh gay' on Anandtech before, that I can remember. At least in this specific forum. Thanks for bringing all of us in on this new low.:disgust:

/agreed.

Chosonman and ivwshane, save that crap for OT.

 

[stash]

Seems to me like ivwshane has made some very good contributions to this thread, as has pretty much everyone else. Well, everyone except Chosonman, that is.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Probably so, but the "burn" comment was childish and unnecessary.

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: ivwshane
Originally posted by: kamper

Damn that was a burn and a half!!

I assume you give him hand jobs too? ...Brokeback Mountain...

Flame away all you want, but homophobic comments are seriously inappropriate.

I think we're about ready for a lock. Shall we contact the appropriate authorities?

 

[beggerking]

just wanna say I love my redhat.. but I can't live w/o Windows. Its sad because I do feel linux is more stable than winxp and better in everyway except compatibility.

 

[Chosonman]

Linux on a roll

By Nick Farrell: Wednesday 08 March 2006, 08:52
BIGGISH BLUE donned a Red Hat and said that it will not install Microsoft Vista into any of its corporate desktops and will continue its roll-out of Linux instead.

Speaking at a Linux Forum, IBM?s Open source and Linux technical sales bigwig Andreas Pleschek said that IBM has cancelled its contract with Microsoft as of October this year.

This means that Vista will not appear on any Big Blue desktops. Instead, from July IBM employees will begin using IBM Workplace on its brand spanking new, Red Hat-based platform.

Some users will remain on their old XP machines for a while, but none will be upgraded to Vista, said Pleschek.

It is not clear if Pleschek was referring to desktops in Germany or if this was a world-wide policy. If it is worldwide, it is a real kick in the clinkers for the Vole which has a huge contract with Big Blue.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5436/

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: kamper

Flame away all you want, but homophobic comments are seriously inappropriate.

I think we're about ready for a lock. Shall we contact the appropriate authorities?

Seriously, stop trolling.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Linux on a roll

By Nick Farrell: Wednesday 08 March 2006, 08:52
BIGGISH BLUE donned a Red Hat and said that it will not install Microsoft Vista into any of its corporate desktops and will continue its roll-out of Linux instead.

Speaking at a Linux Forum, IBM?s Open source and Linux technical sales bigwig Andreas Pleschek said that IBM has cancelled its contract with Microsoft as of October this year.

This means that Vista will not appear on any Big Blue desktops. Instead, from July IBM employees will begin using IBM Workplace on its brand spanking new, Red Hat-based platform.

Some users will remain on their old XP machines for a while, but none will be upgraded to Vista, said Pleschek.

It is not clear if Pleschek was referring to desktops in Germany or if this was a world-wide policy. If it is worldwide, it is a real kick in the clinkers for the Vole which has a huge contract with Big Blue.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5436/

Maybe they'll deploy some Linux workstations in-house but let's see the ratio of Linux to Vista systems being sold to the public.

 

[ivwshane]

Some one gets it...
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3822185143.html