Why Should God Bless America?

JupiterJones

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The phrase, "God Bless America," has become as common a public fixture in recent days as the ubiquitous US flag. We see it heralded on buttons, bumper stickers, pins, poster, banners and billboards. We hear it from political pundits, commentators, columnists, journalists, and the various aspirants to political offices that cover the landscape of America just now. In short, it appears America has called on God to bless her in a "jihad" (holy war) of her own, to rid the world of "terrorists" and "evil". It is worth noting that President Bush gathered in the National Cathedral in Washington DC, just days after the attack on September 11, political, social, and religious leaders of every conceivable stripe, praying for divine assistance for the course they would take in the days ahead. Many Presidents before him had called the nation to prayer during times of war or national mourning. This was to my knowledge, however, the first time in America's history that the triune God of the Bible, whose son Jesus Christ declared himself the one and only way to God the father, was clearly not the focus of this gathering's prayers. In his place, America's leaders have embraced a "universalistic" God that people of every religion are supposed to embrace in the name of diversity and multiculturalism. The savior of mankind, who died on a cross for our sins, was noticeably absent in the invocations uttered. Based on this gathering, I believe Christians can disabuse themselves of any notions that their faith, or America's traditional culture on which it is based, will hold any more importance in the future than Buddhism, Islam, or any other religious faith. America's Christian era is clearly past, so far as our elites are concerned. Serious Christians ought to ponder the language now being used in connection with those being described as "terrorists" today. I keep hearing that the only problem with Islam is its "fundamentalists", which are routinely described as "extremists". Have any of you ever heard the media, or some of our political leaders talk about Christian "fundamentalists" as problematic, or extreme? What does this portend in terms of how these Christians are treated in the future? Perhaps they will come under the scrutiny of the new Department of Homeland (fatherland) Security.

In the early days of our first War for Independence, George Washington issued the following declaration to the men under his command, "The Continental Congress having earnestly recommended that Thursday next be observed by the inhabitants of all the English Colonies upon this continent as a day of public humiliation, fasting and prayer, that they may with united hearts and voice unfeignedly (sincerely) confess their sins before God, and supplicate the all Wise and Merciful Disposer of Events, to avert the desolation and calamities of an unnatural war." George Bush, as well as the rest of America, seems to have forgotten the part about humbling ourselves and confessing our sins before asking God to bless us, and presumably the war we've decided to make on anyone in the world we say supports terrorism. My Bible tells me that only under God's conditions can we expect him to bless us.

Have we, as a nation, no sins in need of forgiveness? In some circles today, to suggest that we do is considered un-American. I think precisely the reverse is true. Any Christian worthy of the name should recoil in horror at the thought of the 4,000 abortions that take place in this country every day. Just this morning I heard a well- respected Christian minister say that over the course of the past 28 years, 43 million babies have been murdered with our government's sanction. Even if he were wrong by half, we are talking about a holocaust that makes every other pale in comparison. In a truly Christian society, much less a civilized one, it shouldn't matter what a majority of 9 justices of the Supreme Court says on such an issue, what should matter is the sanctity of human life and attempts to undermine it. Abortion is nothing more than the deliberate killing of an innocent human being and is condemned by the sixth commandment. For a Biblical justification of this position you can read Psalms 139: 13-16, Genesis 2:7, and Exodus 21:22-25 for starters.

I have heard it said that because there is no afterlife for nations, they must be judged in this life. Does anyone think this is cause for some concern? II Chronicles 7:14 says, "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." History clearly teaches us that people from Christendom established the land we think of when we say "America," they confessed their submission to the God of the Bible, seeking his blessings upon them. There is no question that God did indeed bless his people here. It is just as clear that the political, social, and religious liberties we have long enjoyed grew out of Christianity and is part of an inheritance we are rapidly losing. Is there a connection between America's turn away from the God of the Bible and the gradual loss of those liberties? I certainly think so.

A question all of us should ponder today is whether or not an America that has clearly rejected God's commandments is deserving of his blessings. America cannot be neutral on this question. Our founders knew this and spoke of it. God himself proclaims that he is a jealous God. He blessed Israel only so far as they remained faithful to him, and when they sinned, by seeking after mammon, the flesh, or other God's, judgment always followed.

In Proverbs 8:36, God reminds us that "all they that hate me, love death." Abortion, AIDS, the high crime rate, our never-ending military adventures around the world, and lately, consideration of Euthanasia as "an idea whose time has come", leaves me to wonder if indeed we live in a culture of death. Many people today, even well meaning Christians, act as though we all still live under a government guided by Christianity. They deceive themselves. Jeremiah 17:5 says, "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man and maketh flesh his arm." Perhaps Americans are convinced that they no longer need God. After all, they might tell themselves, look at how rich and powerful we are. Is this the American pride we hear so much about? If so, remember Proverbs 16:18, "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." As Paul Proctor wrote in a recent editorial, "It is not pride in ourselves that will restore God's blessings to America. Pride in self is what destroys men and nations". No, if we are to be delivered from the enemies we have made as the result of our constant foreign meddling, we must humble ourselves and confess our sin before the one true, triune God, and seek to restore him to his place of sovereignty over our people. We delay at our own peril. I welcome comments at wcarlson@i-plus.net -- Wayne Carlson



 

N8Magic

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Oh my.

This is going to get ugly. :Q

*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!*
 

JupiterJones

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Becuase the US is the best country in the world and god knows it!!!!!!

BlueApple,
These United States aren't as good as they once were, nor are they as good as they could be.
 

AnthraX101

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<< BlueApple,
These United States aren't as good as they once were, nor are they as good as they could be.
>>



Thats kind of like saying that Nazi germany wasn't as evil as they could have been. Maybe not, but they were still damn evil.

Armani
 

Danman

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<< Becuase the US is the best country in the world and god knows it!!!!!!

BlueApple,
These United States aren't as good as they once were, nor are they as good as they could be.
>>



Why do you say that? Please explain yourself.
 

Wallydraigle

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I'm sorry, but I quit reading after the first "paragragh". Could you be a good chap and maybe just sum that up a little bit?
 

BlueApple

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<< Becuase the US is the best country in the world and god knows it!!!!!!

BlueApple,
These United States aren't as good as they once were, nor are they as good as they could be.
>>


I was joking, hence the rolling eyes. And I agree with your statment you made in regards to my post.
 

johnjohn320

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<< << Becuase the US is the best country in the world and god knows it!!!!!!

BlueApple,
These United States aren't as good as they once were, nor are they as good as they could be. >>



Why do you say that? Please explain yourself
>>



Oh give me a break.
Yeah, the US is perfect in every way, there is no room for improvement at all.
 

JupiterJones

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I was joking, hence the rolling eyes. And I agree with your statment you made in regards to my post.

Blueapple,
Sorry for not "getting" it. I've actually heard that as a heart-felt response in the past.

Don
 

joohang

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<< Why do you say that? Please explain yourself. >>


He did. Read the last paragraph.

Whether you (and I) accept that as a well-formed explanation is a different matter, though.
 

minus1972

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....hold on a second. After reading your entire post, the content sounds like a watered down version of Falwell's nonsense. The reason that the government is becoming more generic in it's stance on religion is because someone finally realized that there's supposed to be a seperation between church and state. The reason this is happening is because Christianity is no longer the assumed norm in the US. With more people converting and others bringing their native beliefs with them, the voters have changed, and so have the politics. One of the pillars of this system of government is the seperation of church and state; and the government endorsing a certain religion directly contradicts that rule. Thankfully, that time is coming to a close, but that's the way it always should have been, so accept it.



<< I keep hearing that the only problem with Islam is its "fundamentalists", which are routinely described as "extremists". Have any of you ever heard the media, or some of our political leaders talk about Christian "fundamentalists" as problematic, or extreme? What does this portend in terms of how these Christians are treated in the future? Perhaps they will come under the scrutiny of the new Department of Homeland (fatherland) Security. >>



Again, let me know if I'm misinterpreting this, but you make it seem like the people at Waco were just "strong believers." If a group is militant, they should be watched closley and broken up, reguardless of their religious beliefs. No one faith should be exempt from the law.

You raise a valid point in that we should not expect anyone's blessing while contradicting the conditions they give for that blessing. However, your solution is far-fetched at best.



<< we must humble ourselves and confess our sin before the one true, triune God, and seek to restore him to his place of sovereignty over our people >>



To expect the American public to abruptly change directions and do what you suggest is impractical and most importantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

minus.
 

Mephistopheles

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<< No, if we are to be delivered from the enemies we have made as the result of our constant foreign meddling, we must humble ourselves and confess our sin before the one true, triune God, and seek to restore him to his place of sovereignty over our people. >>



Uh, did I get this wrong or is he saying the Sept. 11 incident was America's fault?

Just for your knowledge PastorDon, there is no such thing as sin. If you really want to know why people do bad things, do some research. The truth is out there...
 

UltraQuiet

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This is exactly why there is seperation of church and state and why I will fight forever to keep religion out of public schools.
 

Zenmervolt

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So many places to start, so little care left in me. I could mention how America was founded on the ideals of two atheists (Thomas Paine and David Hume). I could mention the arrogance in effectively dismissing other major religions (ie, Buddhism, Judaism (sp?), Hinduism) as unimportant/inferior. I could mention the fact that national order depends upon laws and not on the beliefs of men. If the opinion of 9 Justices on the existing laws is unsatisfactory, work to change the law, do not imply that one should be exempt from law because of religious belief. I could also mention that the last time men lived under a truly "Christian" government it was called the Dark Ages. But I'm tired of arguing on this subject because neither side can convince the other, and both sides seem to be outside the help of reason and logic.

ZV

EDIT: Had Locke and Paine transposed in my memory. My mistake.
 

JupiterJones

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So many places to start, so little care left in me. I could mention how America was founded on the ideals of two atheists (John Locke and David Hume). I could mention the arrogance in effectively dismissing other major religions (ie, Buddhism, Judaism (sp?), Hinduism) as unimportant/inferior. I could mention the fact that national order depends upon laws and not on the beliefs of men. If the opinion of 9 Justices on the existing laws is unsatisfactory, work to change the law, do not imply that one should be exempt from law because of religious belief. I could also mention that the last time men lived under a truly "Christian" government it was called the Dark Ages. But I'm tired of arguing on this subject because neither side can convince the other, and both sides seem to be outside the help of reason and logic.

Zenmervolt,
I understand. These discussions often deteriorate to both sides bleating what they have heard in the past with no regard for accuracy. I feel that you might just be guilty of this yourself.

You refer to John Locke as an atheist. Why then does he say the following:

"The Bible is one of the greatest blessings bestowed by God on the children of men. It has God for its author; salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture for its matter."

Why did he write a book entitled A Vindication of the Reasonableness of Christianity?

Locke goes so far as to offer a "proof". Concerning God's existence, his proof is a cosmological-type argument. From the certainty of our own existence that of the existence of God immediately follows. A person knows intuitively that he is "something that actually exists." Next a person knows with intuitive certainty, that "bare nothing can no more produce any real being, than it can be equal to two right angles." it is, therefore, "an evident demonstration, that from eternity there has been something. And since all the powers of all beings must be traced to this eternal Being, it follows that it is the most powerful, as well as the most knowing, that is, God. Eternal and alone can produce "thinking, perceiving beings, such as we find ourselves to be" (Bk. 4:10). Locke here assumes, without question, the validity of the causal principle even beyond the range of possible experience.

Locke's theological writings exhibit the characteristic qualities which his other works have rendered familiar. The traditions of theologians are set aside in them much as philosophical tradition was discarded in the Essay. He will search the Scriptures for religious doctrine just as he turned to experience for his philosophy, and he follows a method equally straightforward. Locke does not raise questions of Biblical criticism, and the conclusions at which he arrives are in harmony with the Christian faith, if without the fullness of current doctrine. At the same time, his work treats religion like any other subject, and interprets the Bible like any other book; and, in his view of the nature of religion, he tends to describe it as if it consisted almost entirely in an attitude of intellectual belief.

Locke is no Atheist. You were right when you said that he strongly influenced our founding fathers, and thankfully so. His influence continues even today, the Southern Baptist use his opinion of Scripture in the Baptist Faith & Message.
 

xirtam

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<< there is no such thing as sin. If you really want to know why people do bad things >>



Lol... what's the difference betwee "sin" and "doing bad things"?

I don't think the possibility that Americans might change is any more unconstitutional than using the motto "God Bless America," even though I agree with PasterDon that we don't deserve God's blessing.

With regard to the war on terrorism, I don't think we're after God's blessing, but man's vengeance. So much for Romans 12:19, eh, Pastor? Oh yeah, and you're absolutely right about John Locke. Good call, and thanks for the edit.
 

Warin

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By the people, of the people, and for the people.

Isnt this one of the tenets the entire US governmental system was built on?

How would a Christian Theocracy apply in any of those categories?

Is a person of non-christian faith any less of a person for it?

PastorDon, I salute you. You have the conviction of belief to stand up in a public forum full of self righteous folk and lay on the line what you believe. And for that you deserve respect. Indeed, I am sort of surprised that you havent been flamed all that much.

The only way to be truly of the people, by the people and for the people is to totally seperate church and state (Not only the Christian Church, but -any- Church of any creed). I dont see how you can reasonably disagree with that in a nation that likes to refer to itself as 'The Melting Pot'. The rule of law and government has to represent EVERYONE.

 

KthxBye

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Pish Posh, I think I'm gonna go read that bible I took out of the motel. I'll let you know when I've figured it all out.
 

Amused

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You know, PasterDon, if you're going to commit plagiarism, don't point out the sins of others.


The LEAST you could do is give credit for the contents of your post that you ripped off of Dixienet.org ("The South Shall Rise Again!" )


Meanwhile, as for the bulk of your post, might I point out that it has been repeatedly proven that the US was in no way founded as a Christian nation. And that the original intent of the first amendment IS the total separation of the church from the state.

Meanwhile, while some may say "god bless America," that in no way means they mean YOUR god, or your interpretation of god.

Might I also point out that the Washington quote used in your plagiarized piece comes with no valid cite? Can you provide one?
 

LordJezo

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<< Becuase the US is the best country in the world and god knows it!!!!!!

BlueApple,
These United States aren't as good as they once were, nor are they as good as they could be.
>>



If you don't like it, get the hell out of my country. If you are not in my country, don't ever bothering to show your face in it.
 
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