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jpeyton

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DO NOT move out, but don't be a dick about it either. For your part, try everything possible to make it work.

Even if your efforts are futile or half-hearted, it will reflect very well on you in the future, should things come to a legal junction.

Don't let the bitch rake you over the coals.
 

K1052

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Quietly search for a good attorney to consult. It will be costly just to talk to him/her but worth it. Keep trying to get more help preserving the marriage if possible.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
 

KLin

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Do what Tony Soprano did. Talk to all of the top divorce lawyers in the area so your wife can't since it would be a conflict of interest.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: DaShen
try to work it out and get counseling.

Marriage is a commitment. I can already tell from your post that you have a selfish way of thinking about the situation. You aren't thinking about trying to save the marriage or what you can do to be a better husband; you are thinking more about what you will lose if you move out. This is faulty thinking. Get counseling and really try to save your marriage. Good luck to you.

:thumbsdown:

That is some serious BS right there, not the first time you've been flailing in the dark though.
 

clamum

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
DO NOT move out, but don't be a dick about it either. For your part, try everything possible to make it work.

Even if your efforts are futile or half-hearted, it will reflect very well on you in the future, should things come to a legal junction.

Don't let the bitch rake you over the coals.

This sounds like good advice.
 

Old Hippie

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Sorry to hear about your situation. Prepare yourself. The court will side with your wife and kids. You can kick, moan and scream, but it won't change anything. Consult attorney before moving out and don't act irrational in front of your kids.
Good Luck!
 

yowolabi

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Originally posted by: DaShen
try to work it out and get counseling.

Marriage is a commitment. I can already tell from your post that you have a selfish way of thinking about the situation. You aren't thinking about trying to save the marriage or what you can do to be a better husband; you are thinking more about what you will lose if you move out. This is faulty thinking. Get counseling and really try to save your marriage. Good luck to you.

In your rush to judgement, it seems you skipped the part where he said that they already had counseliing both together and separately, and she still wants him gone. He also said he believes he is improving and that he doesn't want the separation, but she does.

So seeing how he already addressed all of your points about how he can keep the marriage together, what else is there to think about except what his life will be like after the marriage is over?


Edit: Also, I'd like to reinforce that you shouldn't move out willingly. If the house is awarded to her in the divorce, a good attorney can get you compensation. If you leave the house on your own before the divorce, you might not get anything. Definitely talk with an attorney before doing anything.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: DaShen
try to work it out and get counseling.

Marriage is a commitment. I can already tell from your post that you have a selfish way of thinking about the situation. You aren't thinking about trying to save the marriage or what you can do to be a better husband; you are thinking more about what you will lose if you move out. This is faulty thinking. Get counseling and really try to save your marriage. Good luck to you.

Did you even read the OP or are you just throwing out your utopian ideal again?
 

Kelemvor

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Definitely don't give up and don't move out. If you are willing to fight to make this work and she's the one that wants out, then if it does end badly, at least it will look good for you that you were still trying and had the kids best interested in mind.

Not sure what to suggest if you've already tried counseling other than maybe try a different counselor. Does she list specific things that are no longer working or is it just a general feeling she has. Unless she can state what it is, it's hard for you to change those things to make it better.

You could try talking to some of your wife's friends to see if she has confided in them more than she has with you. Maybe they can give you some insite to what's going through her mind and you can use that to modify you behanbiors or actions or whatever to try to make things work.

If it has anything to do with her not feeling Loves any more, I'd recommend picking up a copy of this book and seeing if it can help:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookse...nquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781881273158&itm=1


Good Luck!
 

clamum

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Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Originally posted by: DaShen
Marriage is a commitment. I can already tell from your post that you have a selfish way of thinking about the situation. You aren't thinking about trying to save the marriage or what you can do to be a better husband; you are thinking more about what you will lose if you move out. This is faulty thinking. Get counseling and really try to save your marriage. Good luck to you.

:thumbsdown:

That is some serious BS right there, not the first time you've been flailing in the dark though.

Yeah I dunno dude, you can't really tell the guy he's selfish and is not trying to save the marriage when you actually know nothing of the real situation.
 

boomerang

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Set up an appointment with every GOOD lawyer in town. See them for a few minutes. She won't be able to use any of them after that.

As much as you'd like this to work out, you already know it's not going to. Act accordingly. Contact some groups that advocate for male rights. Be proactive not reactive.

Do NOT move out. Let her leave. See the lawyers, do it now.

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. YOU are the only one that will look out for you in this case. Do what you need to do to protect yourself because believe it or not, that is the best thing you can do for your kids right now. The benefits will become apparent later.
 

loic2003

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you must now see why women justy *looooove* to get married. it's like winning the lottery! never work again!


I'm sorry for your news, buddy. You're far from alone.

I'm bever getting married.cText
 

mrrman

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sorry to hear that....I was there about 9 years ago and truely I do not regret it. At the time I was in the same place however now my boys have 2 great homes and I couldnt be happier. Many people here have also gone down that path..its common.
 

joecool

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thanks for the sympathy and empathy. even if it's just bits and bytes, at a time like this it's nice to think that somebody understands where i'm coming from.
i really hope it doesn't come to divorce, but if it does, i am certainly going to fight for shared (equal) custody of the kids, and a 50-50 split of the marital assets.
to the poster who said i sounded selfish, i imagine you are right. there has been a lot of pain and meanness and it's pretty hard to get past that. but the truth is i don't want to get divorced and i will work to solve the problems. the problem is, it takes two to make it work, and if my wife doesn't make some kind of commitment, it's going to fail, no matter what i do. and i fear she has given up.
 

Golgatha

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The house and stuff acquired during the marriage are all definitely 50% yours, and that's the only good news I have for you. Unfortunately 1/2 of all your retirement savings are hers. Also child support, insurance for the kids, and 1/2 of their college expenses are now also 100% yours even if she is the one to file for divorce.

My advice, make a contingency plan for the scenario that she files for divorce and serves you papers. As soon as you're served, commence canceling all joint credit card accounts, open lines of credit such as HELOCs, etc, and put a freeze on your credit. Have paperwork to change your paycheck to auto-deposit to an account with only your name on it and move any money you have access to, to this account. Forward all mail to a PO box.

http://financialplan.about.com/cs/divorceandmoney/a/DealWithDivorce.htm

Basically lessen her ability to screw you over, and put as much stress on her as possible by depriving her of information and any easy access to money. Secure all paperwork you have in your household as well. Make her work for your money.
 

Molondo

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Could you Find somone trusting and give all your belongings to them (legally). Divorce, get the stuff back. Would something like that be possible?
 

cjchaps

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Originally posted by: joecool
thanks for the sympathy and empathy. even if it's just bits and bytes, at a time like this it's nice to think that somebody understands where i'm coming from.
i really hope it doesn't come to divorce, but if it does, i am certainly going to fight for shared (equal) custody of the kids, and a 50-50 split of the marital assets.
to the poster who said i sounded selfish, i imagine you are right. there has been a lot of pain and meanness and it's pretty hard to get past that. but the truth is i don't want to get divorced and i will work to solve the problems. the problem is, it takes two to make it work, and if my wife doesn't make some kind of commitment, it's going to fail, no matter what i do. and i fear she has given up.

If you don't mind getting too personal why don't you post some specifics about what you guys fight over and then see if any AT'ers have any useful suggestions. They probably can't mess things up more than they already are.
 
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Already been said a few times over here, but do the following (speaking from experience)

1. Lawyer up. Do this discreetly for now, meaning just pay one to consult with and no mention it to her. Making a legal move first in your situation is tricky. If it ends up being you that files for divorce first then they may make you leave the house.

2. DO NOT leave that house, period. Tell her if she wants to be apart she can leave and leave the kids with you so as not to interrupt their schedule. she'll likely flip over this but tell her no matter how angry she gets YOU WILL NOT BEND ON THIS.

3. Get a P.I.....she's probably cheating, or plans to. I know you love her and won't look at this logically right now, but you need to prepare yourself for war. Gather evidence, document EVERYTHING, etc.

4. See if you can start moving some of your money. I'm not suggesting that you clean out the accounts, that'll look bad. Though if a woman does it a judge usually seems okay with that. But there's no harm in giving a few close family and friends a "loan" to hold onto

5. SPARE NO EXPENSE WITH THE LAWYER......read that again.....you want the kids right? Hire the best or you'll be left holding your d1ck in your hand.

6. Seek FULL custody. ALWAYS start with that. That's what she's going to do. That shows you really want them. Likely you'll get half from there. But if you go in asking for joint when she asks for full, no matter how honorable you think that is you'll likely end up being a weekend dad.

7. If things progressively get worse (i.e., she gets hostile, abusive, drinks a lot, cheats, etc.) get an EMERGENCY custody hearing. If you show a change in her behavior and that you can tend the home and the kids you'll likely be awarded temp custody of everything. Down the road that's easier to cement. In a divorce temp custody will be decided right away anyhow so whoever gets that has the upper hand. If you don't get it you are seriously screwed and the chance of winning anything from there is slim.

Good luck man. I know you love her and wanna work it out, but please trust me when I say you are now sleeping with your enemy.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Golgatha
The house and stuff acquired during the marriage are all definitely 50% yours, and that's the only good news I have for you. Unfortunately 1/2 of all your retirement savings are hers. Also child support, insurance for the kids, and 1/2 of their college expenses are now also 100% yours even if she is the one to file for divorce.

My advice, make a contingency plan for the scenario that she files for divorce and serves you papers. As soon as you're served, commence canceling all joint credit card accounts, open lines of credit such as HELOCs, etc, and put a freeze on your credit. Have paperwork to change your paycheck to auto-deposit to an account with only your name on it and move any money you have access to, to this account. Forward all mail to a PO box.

http://financialplan.about.com/cs/divorceandmoney/a/DealWithDivorce.htm

Basically lessen her ability to screw you over, and put as much stress on her as possible by depriving her of information and any easy access to money. Secure all paperwork you have in your household as well. Make her work for your money.
Hol'up, Hol'up.

Let's say that you make $60k a year and she makes $60k a year and everything else being equal. The woman would STILL get HALF of your retirement? You'd pay ALL insurance and half for college?

WTF? What the fvck does he get out of the deal? :|
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Golgatha
The house and stuff acquired during the marriage are all definitely 50% yours, and that's the only good news I have for you. Unfortunately 1/2 of all your retirement savings are hers. Also child support, insurance for the kids, and 1/2 of their college expenses are now also 100% yours even if she is the one to file for divorce.

My advice, make a contingency plan for the scenario that she files for divorce and serves you papers. As soon as you're served, commence canceling all joint credit card accounts, open lines of credit such as HELOCs, etc, and put a freeze on your credit. Have paperwork to change your paycheck to auto-deposit to an account with only your name on it and move any money you have access to, to this account. Forward all mail to a PO box.

http://financialplan.about.com/cs/divorceandmoney/a/DealWithDivorce.htm

Basically lessen her ability to screw you over, and put as much stress on her as possible by depriving her of information and any easy access to money. Secure all paperwork you have in your household as well. Make her work for your money.
Hol'up, Hol'up.

Let's say that you make $60k a year and she makes $60k a year and everything else being equal. The woman would STILL get HALF of your retirement? You'd pay ALL insurance and half for college?

WTF? What the fvck does he get out of the deal? :|

Well, let's be fair. You'll get half of her retirement too, but yes, you'll definitely pay for all the insurance and half of college provided you're not the custodial parent. The courts almost never give custody of children to fathers as long as the mother is "normal".
 

joecool

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Originally posted by: cjchaps
If you don't mind getting too personal why don't you post some specifics about what you guys fight over and then see if any AT'ers have any useful suggestions. They probably can't mess things up more than they already are.

that's a tough one ... so many things at this point it's hard to know where to start. there are the usual little things - she doesn't seem to be able to close a drawer to save her life (i'm always almost running into an open drawer in the bathroom or kitchen); i'm a neat freak and she isn't, i love classical music and literature, she love's pop music and trash tv, she loves pets and i'd be happier without 'em, etc, etc, etc. but that's really all surface stuff. a big part of the deal is that i have issues. like i said above, i've been diagnosed bipolar. i constantly struggle with depression despite the meds. i have anger problems (this can be the manic of bipolar) - when i get pissed, i can get really pissed. i've never hit her or the kids, but i can yell pretty loud, and i used to cuss alot (i've toned it way down). i also have a lot of insecurity problems, which leads to jealousy, which leads to an argument, which leads to me getting mad, see above. when it comes down to it, i'm a real mess. but, like i said, i'm working on it, and i think i'm improving, if slowly. she has her own issues that i won't divulge here, but overall i feel that i am the least important person in her life, and that she is very hypocritical in the expectations/demands she makes of me, vs. the way she thinks she can behave towards me. i also feel she often disrespects me in front of the kids, and undermines my childrearing methods.

one more thing. i have a real issue with our "roles" within the marriage. while she never attempted to learn a skill that could pay to support a family, i did. so i have become the defacto bread winner. so i do the 9-5 thing in cube land, which is really 8-6. i do very well and we have a very comfortable lifestyle. in exchange for the many sacrifices i make to do this (only see the kids for a few hours at night, very little choice/control over my daily life, 40+ hours/week stuck doing something i don't particularly enjoy or feel good about), i think she needs to contribute too. since she is home all day i think it's fair for her to do the cooking/cleaning type stuff. frankly, i don't see how this can take as long as the time i spend at my job - we used to have a couple of cleaning women come in and clean the entire house in a few hours! this isn't sexist - i'd be thrilled to stay home and cook and clean and let her stress out in the work world, as i've told her many times, but her response is always that she could never earn enough to support our family. so i'm stuck. but the rum deal is, when i get home, i'm expected to keep right on working doing house work. so, i work all day, then when i get home i'm supposed to work more, so she can go to lunch/tea/excersize with friends, watch tv, etc etc etc. i think that's bullshit. and i think there isn't nearly enough appreciation for the huge contribution (my salary) that i bring to the table. she always saying she earns that money. bullshit again! i earn the money at great personal sacrifice. when it comes home it becomes a shared asset, but she does not earn it any more than i baked that cake - i earned it, and i deserve credit for it, just like she gets credit for the cake.

ok, rant mode off. you can see that's a real sore spot with me!
 
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