Wikileaks traitor withering away

[GarfieldtheCat]

Solitary confinement in the Quantico brig isn't punishment, hard labor for life in Leavenworth Prison is punishment.

Boy, it is really sad that so many people here in P&N don't understand anything written nowadays.

We post things with facts to base them on, and then all these clueless people just come in without any understanding, and randomly post their feelings, without any shred of logic of evidence? Why is that? Most of the time no one even reads the facts, and they substitute their own reality, and treat it as factual. It's pretty sad.

I guess you, Eaglekeeper, and Narmer all subscribe to "faith based" processes, because y'all sure don't really on facts.

Re-read the bold part of the UCMJ, and you will discover that what you "think" isn't true at all.

 

[JSt0rm]

Solitary confinement in the Quantico brig isn't punishment, hard labor for life in Leavenworth Prison is punishment.

Leavenworth is medium security

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Boy, it is really sad that so many people here in P&N don't understand anything written nowadays.

We post things with facts to base them on, and then all these clueless people just come in without any understanding, and randomly post their feelings, without any shred of logic of evidence? Why is that? Most of the time no one even reads the facts, and they substitute their own reality, and treat it as factual. It's pretty sad.

I guess you, Eaglekeeper, and Narmer all subscribe to "faith based" processes, because y'all sure don't really on facts.

Re-read the bold part of the UCMJ, and you will discover that what you "think" isn't true at all.

Do you realise what would happen to a traitor if he's in genpop in a military facility?

It's for is own safety and i do believe you would whine even harder if he was killed because they didn't keep him in solitary confinement.

In this case the Military works just like the civilian system, you wouldn't let a suspected child rapist spend his days with gang bangers, would you?

For someone in the military, the crime he's committed is among the worst crimes anyone can commit, sticking him with highly trained unstable individuals might not be a good idea, you do understand that, right?

 

[alkemyst]

Key things most don't realize is solitary confinement can still exist at the military level (darkness and no contact) vs the solitary cells where you are at least able to converse can see light.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Key things most don't realize is solitary confinement can still exist at the military level (darkness and no contact) vs the solitary cells where you are at least able to converse can see light.

No.

 

[Narmer]

Wow...cognitive dissonance FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess you can't read the bolded sections of the law I posted. Sorry that you are so blinded you cannot think and act logically.

What do you suggest, that he be released into the general population? Aside from the gay sex, I don't think he'd enjoy it too much. He may not get out alive.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What do you suggest, that he be released into the general population? Aside from the gay sex, I don't think he'd enjoy it too much. He may not get out alive.

But that would then be considered a problem of the military; not protecting him and allowing him to intermingle with the general population.

The argument can not be won; it loses in the beginning or end because of lack of common sense to how the actual world operates vs the ideal world.

So the military errs on the side of caution.:thumbsup:

 

[Narmer]

But that would then be considered a problem of the military; not protecting him and allowing him to intermingle with the general population.

The argument can not be won; it loses in the beginning or end because of lack of common sense to how the actual world operates vs the ideal world.

So the military errs on the side of caution.:thumbsup:

What I don't understand from Garfield's complaint is how he is being treated poorly. Solitary confinement is a part of detention. Is his food less tasty? Does his toilet clog up? Does he get beaten ritually?

 

[xj0hnx]

Screw then, put him in gen pop so we can have threads about him getting beaten, raped then killed, and then the loonies can cry about how the military should have protected him better.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Boy, it is really sad that so many people here in P&N don't understand anything written nowadays.

We post things with facts to base them on, and then all these clueless people just come in without any understanding, and randomly post their feelings, without any shred of logic of evidence? Why is that? Most of the time no one even reads the facts, and they substitute their own reality, and treat it as factual. It's pretty sad.

I guess you, Eaglekeeper, and Narmer all subscribe to "faith based" processes, because y'all sure don't really on facts.

Re-read the bold part of the UCMJ, and you will discover that what you "think" isn't true at all.

Have you ever been in a Red Line Marine brig?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Screw then, put him in gen pop so we can have threads about him getting beaten, raped then killed, and then the loonies can cry about how the military should have protected him better.

He'd be killed within an hour.

Just like a child rapist in a genpop with HA members.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Do you realise what would happen to a traitor if he's in genpop in a military facility?

It's for is own safety and i do believe you would whine even harder if he was killed because they didn't keep him in solitary confinement.

In this case the Military works just like the civilian system, you wouldn't let a suspected child rapist spend his days with gang bangers, would you?

For someone in the military, the crime he's committed is among the worst crimes anyone can commit, sticking him with highly trained unstable individuals might not be a good idea, you do understand that, right?

You do realize he hasn't been convicted right?

Even if that is true, you do realize that there are plenty of ways to keep him safe, right? Locking him out of all contact has nothing to do with safety, and you know it. But keep trying to throw out the strawmen.

Anyway, I've posted the actual UCMJ ruling, just so Eaglekeeper can't do the "he's military, it's ok" comment again. Anyone is free to re-read and learn the concept of punishment before conviction is illegal. And they can also re-read the part where no official can give a reason for his excessive treatment. Otherwise, feel free to live in Narmer's world where you stick your fingers in your ears and say "na na na" to avoid reading the truth. I've posted the facts, and it seems no one cares about the facts, only their own perceived ideas.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Leavenworth is medium security

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Disciplinary_Barracks

 

[Narmer]

You do realize he hasn't been convicted right?

Even if that is true, you do realize that there are plenty of ways to keep him safe, right? Locking him out of all contact has nothing to do with safety, and you know it. But keep trying to throw out the strawmen.

Anyway, I've posted the actual UCMJ ruling, just so Eaglekeeper can't do the "he's military, it's ok" comment again. Anyone is free to re-read and learn the concept of punishment before conviction is illegal. And they can also re-read the part where no official can give a reason for his excessive treatment. Otherwise, feel free to live in Narmer's world where you stick your fingers in your ears and say "na na na" to avoid reading the truth. I've posted the facts, and it seems no one cares about the facts, only their own perceived ideas.

Are you physically attracted to Manning? Do you love him?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

What I don't understand from Garfield's complaint is how he is being treated poorly. Solitary confinement is a part of detention. Is his food less tasty? Does his toilet clog up? Does he get beaten ritually?

I know you are still trolling and or ignorant (probably both), but the treatment below is certainly not according to the UCMJ, if you would ever bother to read it. His treatment is certainly not the minimum to get him to trial.

And solitary is in no way part of detention. He's innocent still. Do you deny that? Punishment is illegal.

I bet you would scream bloody murder if you were treated like that, when you had not been convicted of anything. But again, I've posted all the facts, and your only response is the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears so you can't hear the truth.

If you have any facts to present (which I would note that you have yet to post ANY in this entire thread) to defend your case, then do so. People like you are why these forums need to be moderated heavily. It's trolls like you that don't allow any debate, because you don't care about facts, only what you believe in. It's like arguing math with someone that believes 2+2=5.

Anyway, I've proved my point. No one has been able to give a legitimate reason why he is being punished. No one has been able to deny the facts I posted. You and your ilk may think punishing people based on your beliefs is fine, but I believe in following the law. You have shown a disdain for the law. How typical of a troll. If you wish to post facts, I'd be happy to debate them,But since you are seemly incapable of posting anything factual, there really isn't anything to discuss.

For 23 hours per day, he will sit in his cell. The guards will check on him every five minutes by asking him if he is okay. PFC Manning will be required to respond in some affirmative manner. At night, if the guards cannot see him clearly, because he has a blanket over his head or is curled up towards the wall, they will wake him in order to ensure that he is okay. He will receive each of his meals in his cell. He will not be allowed to have a pillow or sheets. He will not be allowed to have any personal items in his cell. He will only be allowed to have one book or one magazine at any given time to read. The book or magazine will be taken away from him at the end of the day before he goes to sleep. He will be prevented from exercising in his cell. If he attempts to do push-ups, sit-ups, or any other form of exercise he will be forced to stop. He will receive one hour of exercise outside of his cell daily. The guards will take him to an empty room and allow him to walk. He will usually just walk in figure eights around the room until his hour is complete. When he goes to sleep, he will be required to strip down to his underwear and surrender his clothing to the guards.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Are you physically attracted to Manning? Do you love him?

Hey, when you don't have facts, go for stupid baseless insults. It's just another sign you can't even debate. Thanks for proving my point again.

 

[dmcowen674]

What I don't understand from Garfield's complaint is how he is being treated poorly. Solitary confinement is a part of detention. Is his food less tasty? Does his toilet clog up? Does he get beaten ritually?

Is he dead yet?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I know you are still trolling and or ignorant (probably both), but the treatment below is certainly not according to the UCMJ, if you would ever bother to read it. His treatment is certainly not the minimum to get him to trial.

And solitary is in no way part of detention. He's innocent still. Do you deny that? Punishment is illegal.

I bet you would scream bloody murder if you were treated like that, when you had not been convicted of anything. But again, I've posted all the facts, and your only response is the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears so you can't hear the truth.

If you have any facts to present (which I would note that you have yet to post ANY in this entire thread) to defend your case, then do so. People like you are why these forums need to be moderated heavily. It's trolls like you that don't allow any debate, because you don't care about facts, only what you believe in. It's like arguing math with someone that believes 2+2=5.

Anyway, I've proved my point. No one has been able to give a legitimate reason why he is being punished. No one has been able to deny the facts I posted. You and your ilk may think punishing people based on your beliefs is fine, but I believe in following the law. You have shown a disdain for the law. How typical of a troll. If you wish to post facts, I'd be happy to debate them,But since you are seemly incapable of posting anything factual, there really isn't anything to discuss.

Solitary confinement prior to trial is not against the UCMJ so there's nothing to defend.

 

[Narmer]

Hey, when you don't have facts, go for stupid baseless insults. It's just another sign you can't even debate. Thanks for proving my point again.

I'm asking you a question, not insulting you. Are you sexually attracted to Bradley Manning? Do you cry at his situation? A simple yes or no would suffice. I'm only asking because your reasoning here is illogical and doesn't make any sense to me. You claim that solitary confinement is illegal when it isn't. I can only deduce that you are arguing from an emotional point of view.

 

[LumbergTech]

What I don't understand from Garfield's complaint is how he is being treated poorly. Solitary confinement is a part of detention. Is his food less tasty? Does his toilet clog up? Does he get beaten ritually?

Oh, I dunno.....maybe because he should have a legitimate trial before being subjected to that kind of treatment ..especially for long periods of time....

 

[LumbergTech]

I'm asking you a question, not insulting you. Are you sexually attracted to Bradley Manning? Do you cry at his situation? A simple yes or no would suffice. I'm only asking because your reasoning here is illogical and doesn't make any sense to me. You claim that solitary confinement is illegal when it isn't. I can only deduce that you are arguing from an emotional point of view.

Hes arguing from a moral view point that it is wrong to mind fuck someone without giving them a fair trial.

 

[xj0hnx]

He'd be killed within an hour.

Just like a child rapist in a genpop with HA members.

Yip. Recently there was a child rapist here,with a day of hitting population he had 71 stitches holding his cock and balls on, and closing up he second, third, and fourth buttholes.

 

[Narmer]

Hes arguing from a moral view point that it is wrong to mind fuck someone without giving them a fair trial.

But those are your opinions and morals, of which everyone's is different.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You do realize he hasn't been convicted right?

Even if that is true, you do realize that there are plenty of ways to keep him safe, right? Locking him out of all contact has nothing to do with safety, and you know it. But keep trying to throw out the strawmen.

Anyway, I've posted the actual UCMJ ruling, just so Eaglekeeper can't do the "he's military, it's ok" comment again. Anyone is free to re-read and learn the concept of punishment before conviction is illegal. And they can also re-read the part where no official can give a reason for his excessive treatment. Otherwise, feel free to live in Narmer's world where you stick your fingers in your ears and say "na na na" to avoid reading the truth. I've posted the facts, and it seems no one cares about the facts, only their own perceived ideas.

You don't seem to get it, yes, i called him a suspect, that would mean that he's not a convict.

It is ok, both in civilian and military cases to keep a prisoner isolated for his own safety.

There is not any question if this is the case, it is, you are wrong to think of it as punishment and you are incorrect in all of your assessments.

You don't get to dictate what is and what is not, especially since you are not responsible for Mannings safety.

The truth is that he wouldn't last one hour with genpop and he's kept in solitary confinement with proper meals and excersise hour just like the rest along with one assigned to guard duty for him and one other, he has every opportunity to converse with them, he's not kept in a dark room either, he has use of facilities as well as a window and a night lamp.

Your bullsheit cry story is not correct, you just like traitors to your nation because this one coincides with your ideals.

You really should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yip. Recently there was a child rapist here,with a day of hitting population he had 71 stitches holding his cock and balls on, and closing up he second, third, and fourth buttholes.

Should have left it as is and just used a soldering iron to cauterise the wounds.

I have no forgiveness for these kinds of people. Death would be too sweet for them.