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GarfieldtheCat

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Best news I've heard all week. This traitor needs to do the country a favor and kill himself so we can save some cash. We're in a deficit, you know. Come on, do the right thing and kill yourself, asshole.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/01/wikileaks.manning/index.html?hpt=T2

So someone who hasn't been CONVICTED of any crime at all is being treated this way, and you are OK with it?

Please show us the proof of his guilt, because otherwise, he is innocent until proven guilty (I realize people like you tend to ignore the law when convenient, so it will difficult for you).

And while you are at it, proof that he is a traitor?
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Excuse me, it's the court instances that has determined he stay in solitary. He did the crime, now he does the time.

Wow, ignorance is ripe in this thread...all these internet tough guys that know NOTHING.

Please link to his trial and guilty verdict.

Otherwise, admit you are ignorant of the facts (that he has not even been TRIED, let alone CONVICTED).

Is learning the facts about something before just spouting off that hard nowadays for todays kids?
 

Infohawk

Lifer
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Wow, ignorance is ripe in this thread...all these internet tough guys that know NOTHING.

Please link to his trial and guilty verdict.

Otherwise, admit you are ignorant of the facts (that he has not even been TRIED, let alone CONVICTED).

Is learning the facts about something before just spouting off that hard nowadays for todays kids?

Are you reserving judgment about Jared Lee Loughner too?

Most people don't disagree that Manning revealed US secrets. That's a crime. What most liberals seem to argue is that it shouldn't be or that it was justified.
 
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Are you reserving judgment about Jared Lee Loughner too?

Most people don't disagree that Manning revealed US secrets. That's a crime. What most liberals seem to argue is that it shouldn't be or that it was justified.

For whatever it's worth, I am not clear that he in fact leaked US secrets, but if he did, I don't agree there could conceivably have been a lawful justification for it. A moral justification, perhaps, but that's a topic for another day and should not insulate him from the consequences provided for by law.
 

Craig234

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Are you reserving judgment about Jared Lee Loughner too?

Most people don't disagree that Manning revealed US secrets. That's a crime. What most liberals seem to argue is that it shouldn't be or that it was justified.

95% of what is said about liberals here is wrong or lies, I can't remember the other 5%.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Are you reserving judgment about Jared Lee Loughner too?

Most people don't disagree that Manning revealed US secrets. That's a crime. What most liberals seem to argue is that it shouldn't be or that it was justified.

I'll repeat this for you too:

Link to proof?

Link to his guilty verdict?

He may well be guilty, but this is the US, and innocent until proven guilty is still the way of the US court system, both civilian and military. If he is guilty, a judge or jury will assign punishment, not you or "most people"

"most people" don't know squat. "most people" aren't a judge or jury. "most people" are idiots, given that a lot of people still believe things that are provable false. So "most people" doesn't mean anything, but thanks for trying. Just another 100% fact-free posting by you.

And what does Jared have to do with anything? Answer: nothing.
 

JSt0rm

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For whatever it's worth, I am not clear that he in fact leaked US secrets, but if he did, I don't agree there could conceivably have been a lawful justification for it. A moral justification, perhaps, but that's a topic for another day and should not insulate him from the consequences provided for by law.

What you say is true. He will pay a price for what he did. In my mind thats a very brave thing to do.
 

Phokus

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For whatever it's worth, I am not clear that he in fact leaked US secrets, but if he did, I don't agree there could conceivably have been a lawful justification for it. A moral justification, perhaps, but that's a topic for another day and should not insulate him from the consequences provided for by law.

A more sensible post than what the shitheel conservatives here have to say.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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A more sensible post than what the shitheel conservatives here have to say.

Its amazing that they love and hate the same government. On one hand they love the bombing and destruction of other countries and brown skinned people. Calling it freedom and wrapping themselves in the American flag. and in the other they hate helping their fellow country man and hate seeing any money spent on the betterment of society and infrastructure. They mistrust public works projects and the people behind them and they will defend to the last any secret government torture camps and war profiteering.

They are evolutionary dead ends no better then the Taliban they hate.
 

Craig234

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What you say is true. He will pay a price for what he did. In my mind thats a very brave thing to do.

For all we know, if he did it, it was nothing more than the immature and spiteful act of a misguided young person. We just don't know yet.

Daniel Ellsberg, we have a much better idea - his actions were what he was morally compelled to do and courageous.

For what it's worth here, I'm also saying Ellsberg seems to be jumping the gun in his praise for the leaker here.

Ellsberg has long called for people on the inside to expose wrong - but he seems so caught up in the issue that he's assuming why this leak was done.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
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I'll repeat this for you too:

Link to proof?

Link to his guilty verdict?

He may well be guilty, but this is the US, and innocent until proven guilty is still the way of the US court system, both civilian and military. If he is guilty, a judge or jury will assign punishment, not you or "most people"

"most people" don't know squat. "most people" aren't a judge or jury. "most people" are idiots, given that a lot of people still believe things that are provable false. So "most people" doesn't mean anything, but thanks for trying. Just another 100% fact-free posting by you.

And what does Jared have to do with anything? Answer: nothing.

Jared Loughner is relevant to show that you probably only reserve judgment for people you sympathize with. Should everyone stop discussing Loughner because he hasn't had a trial yet? Of course not. Nobody's saying he doesn't deserve a trial but at the same time it's in the bag that he's guilty. Same goes for your butt-buddy.

Again, nobody is saying that Manning doesn't deserve a trial, dimwit.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
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Well nobody except for the OP of this thread you mean?

Did he say that in another thread? All I got from his OP is that he wishes Manning would commit suicide. I don't see anything about him not wanting Manning to get a trial here.
 

Moonbeam

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I like your angle here Don, you make not judgment about the situation or assume he's guilty.
Certainly, you make a lot of these jokers look like raving lunatics. Sir, I commend you!

He doesn't make them look that way. They do. He just doesn't look that way himself.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Jared Loughner is relevant to show that you probably only reserve judgment for people you sympathize with. Should everyone stop discussing Loughner because he hasn't had a trial yet? Of course not. Nobody's saying he doesn't deserve a trial but at the same time it's in the bag that he's guilty. Same goes for your butt-buddy.

Again, nobody is saying that Manning doesn't deserve a trial, dimwit.

Did I mention him? no
Have I posted about him? no

So you actually have no idea what I think do you? Of course not

I don't care whether Manning is guilty or not. I care about the law being followed. He should be treated like any other accused criminal, and its blatantly obvious that he isn't. If he is guilty, and there is proof of guilt, it will come out in his trial. That's called justice.

Can anyone post a link to any other military servicemen that have been locked in solitary confinement and treated this poorly, when they have not been convicted of ANYTHING, and are still considered innocent?

If you can't post links to the above, how on earth do you justify this? Secret knowledge that only you know? General hatred for the guy?

As to not deserving a trial, you obviously haven't read all these posts. People are saying he is getting what he deserves. Someone posted that they think he is already guilty. So yea, lots of people are already ready to lock him away and throw away the key.

Just like all those "terrorists" in Gitmo. Once called a terrorist, just lock them up forever. No proof, no trial, nothing. That sure is American justice, not. Sound familiar?
 

fed3r2198

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ZOMG those haven't been authenticated in a court of law so we have to pretend like they don't exist. /sarcasm

ZOMG the government can't connect Manning to Assange

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41241414/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/?ocid=twitter

and the hacker mentioned in the wired article named Lamo as well as the editors at Wired are withholding the chat logs so we don't know what they say.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/29/wired_response_1/index.html
 

Infohawk

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Did I mention him? no
Have I posted about him? no

So you actually have no idea what I think do you? Of course not

Why are you so afraid to compare your beliefs about Loughner? You're being intellectually dishonest. That's why. You know that there are people who have been only accused of crimes that you are happy to judge. Stop repeating repeating that Manning deserves a trial. Of course he does. That's not the issue here as he's going to get one.
 
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Infohawk

Lifer
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ZOMG the government can't connect Manning to Assange

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41241414/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/?ocid=twitter

and the hacker mentioned in the wired article named Lamo as well as the editors at Wired are withholding the chat logs so we don't know what they say.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/29/wired_response_1/index.html

So you think the portions published on wired are a fabrication? Get a grip. Do you think George Bush is a great guy? You must because he has not been convicted of high crimes by anyone.
 
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A traitor to his nation, a traitor to his uniform, a traitor to the men who came before him and who come after him.

There is only one punishment for treason, it should be done as swift as possible and with as little pain as possible.
 

bfdd

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What if they become better more progressive and modern???
Can you justify the hijack of their political system then??????????????
Iraq, you did that for democracy, right(plan b) WMD (plan a)
had nothing to do with controlling oil resources!

THE REAL FEAR IS THEY CONTROL WHAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR....... OIL!!!!!!! SO YOUR GOV. PUT A GUN THEIR HEAD FOR THEIR MATES AT MOBIL/EXXON/SHELL/BP INTERESTS!
AND THEY ALSO SELL BOMBS AND GUNS, LAND MINES WHAT EVER TO FUCK THOSE COUNTRIES UP SO THEY CANT CALL THE SHOTS WITH THE OIL- LOOK AT OPEC FFS!


What right has the USA or anyone else to impose your beliefs on them, really all you want is their oil and passage thru the suez!
I would of thought you clean up your backyard before messing someone elseS, USA! christian country!!! my arse!

Its game over people are getting the truth finally.
When will you realize the truth? Your government doesn't give a fuck about you!
dumb as my bum.

This post fails so hard I don't even know what the hell to say in response.
 

fed3r2198

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So you think the portions published on wired are a fabrication? Get a grip. Do you think George Bush is a great guy? You must because he has not been convicted of high crimes by anyone.

They very well could be. No, I don't think Bush is a great guy but he should go to trial for any crimes not just be punished or judged guilty from the start just like everyone else. Some former hacker who went to jail himself and is a known glory seeker claiming they have a confession doesn't mean shit.
 

bfdd

Lifer
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What are you saying, leaking information about misdeeds that needed to be leaked makes up for what he shouldn't have leaked?

Don't kid yourself. He's not a whistleblower like Samuel Provance. He's a vandal, who in the process of committing a massive act of vandalism meant to embarass the government that he felt mistreated him by demoting him for punching someone in the face, leaked some misdeeds that we needed to know about so we could stop.

^ this and everyone defending the guy is just some "child" holding on to their rage for the machine.
 
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