Wikileaks traitor withering away

[EagleKeeper]

That blog is a CIVILIAN lawyer not a military lawyer. Put out to try to generate political pressure for his client. that is what lawyers do - try to get the best opinon before, during and afterwards for the client.

If the CO was replaced due to actions about Manning; why are the same actions still happening under a new CO?

The Warrant officer took him off of suicide watch as order; yet civilian reports indicate that he is possible for POI.

He is military and subject to the military rules; not civilian rules. He knew what he did when he signed up and apparnetly enough evidence exists that he knew that he broke rules enough to put hiim in this situation.

Now he will have to convince someone that he either did not do the crime, should not be held accountable for the crime or should have mercy shown on him.

As to the fact that we are not at war; tell Congress, the Executive branch and the people overseas putting their lives on the line. It may not be a declared war, but it is still sanctioned by Congress, directed by the PResident and executed by the military

 

[dmcowen674]

Is he dead yet?

 

[Andrew111]

He's a better person then you will ever be.

LOL, you have quite the boner for this dude eh? He knew what he was doing was a very grave offense.......everyone in the military who is given a clearance is briefed about classified material and the repercussions of releasing/mishandling it. He can't feign ignorance because it is absolutely guaranteed that he signed his name to a document that's basically a non-disclosure agreement for sensitive information. The guy had recently broken up with his boyfriend and was suffering from teenage angst/depression and decided to do this........the guy sowed his fate and is an absolute idiot...doubly so if he 's surprised where he is now. He actively collected massive amounts of intel detrimental to the United States government and released it to outside sources.....a spy plain and simple. The death penalty would be too kind.

You bleeding heart liberals don't seem to understand what classified material is or the fact that everyone that has access to such information knows YOU DON'T RELEASE IT. He joined the military so he agreed to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Justice will be served...happy camping Manning;-)

 

[Throckmorton]

I'll post this to show what utter bullshit eaglekeeper's post is:

Manning's Lawyers Blog

From his lawyer, a REAL lawyer, unlike Eaglekeeper:




So Eaglekeeper, despite Medical professionals saying Manning was not a risk, and should be moved into a more regular confinement, the brig commanders ignored their professional advice. Gee, I wonder why?

So again, why is he being treated this way? He has yet to be proven guilty of any crime, just like you.

In fact, the commander got replaced because of what he did. Gee, I guess he must have agreed with you that it is OK to punish him. Good thing at least some people disagree.

He's a suicide risk.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I guarantee that if he commits suicide or hurts himself while in the Marine Brig in Quantico, the same people who are crying that he's being treated unfairly will scream bloody murder that the Marines weren't taking all the proper precautions to prevent it.

 

[xj0hnx]

I guarantee that if he commits suicide or hurts himself while in the Marine Brig in Quantico, the same people who are crying that he's being treated unfairly will scream bloody murder that the Marines weren't taking all the proper precautions to prevent it.

That is if they don't outright accuse the Marines of killing him and covering it up.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

That blog is a CIVILIAN lawyer not a military lawyer. Put out to try to generate political pressure for his client. that is what lawyers do - try to get the best opinon before, during and afterwards for the client.

Geez, cluelessness abounds with your posts. You did notice the picture of his lawyer on the blog page? The one showing him on active duty in Iraq? I don't know if he is serving as a JAG or private lawyer in this case, but his US Army reserve job is as a JAG, and as of last year:

professor of trial advocacy at the Army's Judge Advocate General's Legal Center and School.

So he is such a bad JAG apparently he teaches at their school. Eaglekeeper, do you ever research these things or do you just free post whatever pops into your head?

So I would say he knows a hell of a lot more about the UCMJ then you, unless you care to show that you are a JAG yourself.

If the CO was replaced due to actions about Manning; why are the same actions still happening under a new CO?

That is a good question. Again, why is he being treated differently then all other serviceman accused of a crime. You still can't answer that other then some hand-waving and "just because". LOL

He is military and subject to the military rules; not civilian rules. He knew what he did when he signed up and apparnetly enough evidence exists that he knew that he broke rules enough to put hiim in this situation.

Now he will have to convince someone that he either did not do the crime, should not be held accountable for the crime or should have mercy shown on him.

Were you even in the military? I find it hard to believe a service person being this clueless. Please show the relevant UCMJ section that says people are guilty until proven innocent. We will all be waiting for this.

Again, LOL at "apparently". Do you have any facts ever? I mean really, it's all " they know", "apparently", "military not civilian". Do you have any facts at all? Again, did you believe in Saddams WMD back in the day? Do you always blindly believe these sorts of things without proof?

So again, show me where other US military serviceman are treated like this. Man up and show some facts for your case. If you can't find any, there is no reason he should be treated like he is. Innocent until proven guilty and all of that. You might have heard that in high school somewhere.

Do you think it is punishment?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

He's a suicide risk.

Despite all the medical professionals that said he isn't?

Wow, you must really be an amazing psychologist to deduce this without ever having seen or talked to Manning.

 

[Craig234]

LOL, you have quite the boner for this dude eh? He knew what he was doing was a very grave offense.......everyone in the military who is given a clearance is briefed about classified material and the repercussions of releasing/mishandling it. He can't feign ignorance because it is absolutely guaranteed that he signed his name to a document that's basically a non-disclosure agreement for sensitive information. The guy had recently broken up with his boyfriend and was suffering from teenage angst/depression and decided to do this........the guy sowed his fate and is an absolute idiot...doubly so if he 's surprised where he is now. He actively collected massive amounts of intel detrimental to the United States government and released it to outside sources.....a spy plain and simple. The death penalty would be too kind.

You bleeding heart liberals don't seem to understand what classified material is or the fact that everyone that has access to such information knows YOU DON'T RELEASE IT. He joined the military so he agreed to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Justice will be served...happy camping Manning;-)

You're a simpleton, for whom all whistleblowing that exposes classified documents is unjustified spying justifying killing the person.

The government never does wrong. It never over-classifies. No good can come from exposing lies. And anyone who releases any classified documents is ok to kill.

You would be told by the KGB that you are too much a lover of authoritarians.

 

[Andrew111]

You're a simpleton, for whom all whistleblowing that exposes classified documents is unjustified spying justifying killing the person.

The government never does wrong. It never over-classifies. No good can come from exposing lies. And anyone who releases any classified documents is ok to kill.

You would be told by the KGB that you are too much a lover of authoritarians.

The simpleton is you......this was a massive release of classified material that damaged the U.S. government. He knew the repercussions...and he will pay dearly. And I said the death penalty would be too kind....rotting in jail like some of the other spies mentioned in this thread would suffice. Wikileaks IS NOT authorized to sort through classified material and decide what to scrub and what not to.........are you absolutely F'ing NUTS? Rhetorical question since I've seen the absolute stupidity of your posts day in, day out.

 

[Throckmorton]

Despite all the medical professionals that said he isn't?

Wow, you must really be an amazing psychologist to deduce this without ever having seen or talked to Manning.

Well he managed to pass the military psychological evaluations, and then went on to leak thousands of pages of documents...

 

[Andrew111]

Despite all the medical professionals that said he isn't?

Wow, you must really be an amazing psychologist to deduce this without ever having seen or talked to Manning.

Hmmm, let's analyze his predicament. He's in a world of shit with practically no hope of escape / ever living a normal life again. Who isn't going to seriously contemplate suicide in such a situation? Now many people may think about it but not go through with it...but the threat is definitely there. Not to mention the shit storm that would occur if they didn't have him on suicide watch and they find him dead in his cell.

 

[alkemyst]

I guarantee that if he commits suicide or hurts himself while in the Marine Brig in Quantico, the same people who are crying that he's being treated unfairly will scream bloody murder that the Marines weren't taking all the proper precautions to prevent it.

QFT...*MOST* that are against this guy really don't even know the story. It was a big discussion earlier tonight.

"WELL BECAUSE HE IS GUILTY, HE KILLED OUR SOLDIERS!!!"

 

[mjrpes3]

The simpleton is you......this was a massive release of classified material that damaged the U.S. government. He knew the repercussions...and he will pay dearly. And I said the death penalty would be too kind....rotting in jail like some of the other spies mentioned in this thread would suffice. Wikileaks IS NOT authorized to sort through classified material and decide what to scrub and what not to.........are you absolutely F'ing NUTS? Rhetorical question since I've seen the absolute stupidity of your posts day in, day out.

There is no governmental body "authorized to sort through classified material and decide what to scrub and what not to" that then releases it to the public in a timely manner (say three months, not 25 years). Which would be totally awesome BTW. More transparency and all that, maybe it would have made it more difficult if not impossible for the government to have deluded the public into the false reasoning for the Iraq War.

So we'll have to make due with Wikileaks until there is one.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Hmmm, let's analyze his predicament. He's in a world of shit with practically no hope of escape / ever living a normal life again. Who isn't going to seriously contemplate suicide in such a situation? Now many people may think about it but not go through with it...but the threat is definitely there. Not to mention the shit storm that would occur if they didn't have him on suicide watch and they find him dead in his cell.

Wow, we have two amazing psychologists in the P&N forum. Our cup runneth over with these esteemed psychologists here.

Amazing, you know all of this how? And you know better then all the medical professionals that actually talked to him. Simply amazing. I'm so totally impressed.

 

[Andrew111]

Wow, we have two amazing psychologists in the P&N forum. Our cup runneth over with these esteemed psychologists here.

Amazing, you know all of this how? And you know better then all the medical professionals that actually talked to him. Simply amazing. I'm so totally impressed.

He's high profile and his prospects are low....what is so hard to understand? Obviously they don't want to give him the opportunity to use something to hang himself/cut himself/etc. I'm sure you'd go berserk if they took him off suicide watch and he killed himself and you really think that it's 100% guaranteed he's not going to kill himself because of a doctor who talked to him? Unless the doc can see into the future he can't guarantee he won't try it. The command at Quantico doesn't want to take that risk, and understandably so.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

He's high profile and his prospects are low....what is so hard to understand? Obviously they don't want to give him the opportunity to use something to hang himself/cut himself/etc. I'm sure you'd go berserk if they took him off suicide watch and he killed himself and you really think that it's 100% guaranteed he's not going to kill himself because of a doctor who talked to him? Unless the doc can see into the future he can't guarantee he won't try it. The command at Quantico doesn't want to take that risk, and understandably so.

Just shows how clueless you are. If he kills himself, the last thing I would do is go "berserk". If the medical docs say he isn't a suicide risk, that's good enough for me. No different from lots of other possibilities.

Can you prove someone won't kill themselves ever? Nope. So again, everyone needs to be on suicide watch. Good luck with that.

 

[alkemyst]

You do realize medical docs on a fed payroll want to keep being paid.

There is a lot of abiguity in medicine to the laymen.

How is anyone facing treason not going to want to just end it sooner than later?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

You do realize medical docs on a fed payroll want to keep being paid.

There is a lot of abiguity in medicine to the laymen.

How is anyone facing treason not going to want to just end it sooner than later?

You do realize medical docs on a federal payroll still take the Hippocratic oath, right? And most take their professional obligations seriously right?

Again, people are sure throwing up a lof of "what if's" to defend this treatment. What's next, they need to keep him confined "just in case" aliens want to abduct him for his knowledge?

What if he is Jack Bauer, he could kill everyone and escape! OMG!

We can play the "what if" game forever. Facts are the docs say he isn't a suicide risk. Why eval him if you aren't going to use their input. Hmm, I guess the gov didn't like the answer they got, and ignored it. Not the first time that has happened.

 

[alkemyst]

You do realize medical docs on a federal payroll still take the Hippocratic oath, right? And most take their professional obligations seriously right?

Do you realize they now have an ETHICS class in most colleges prior to degree? So let's think now. HMMM, I cheated for 2, 4, 5, 8 years now...and all I have to do is be honest in this last class. Fuck that, "Yes, I would never use my services to harm another [*wink wink* unless they were paying more! *wink wink*].

Again, people are sure throwing up a lof of "what if's" to defend this treatment. What's next, they need to keep him confined "just in case" aliens want to abduct him for his knowledge?

What if he is Jack Bauer, he could kill everyone and escape! OMG!

We can play the "what if" game forever. Facts are the docs say he isn't a suicide risk. Why eval him if you aren't going to use their input. Hmm, I guess the gov didn't like the answer they got, and ignored it. Not the first time that has happened.

You clearly want him dead. /thread.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Do you realize they now have an ETHICS class in most colleges prior to degree? So let's think now. HMMM, I cheated for 2, 4, 5, 8 years now...and all I have to do is be honest in this last class. Fuck that, "Yes, I would never use my services to harm another [*wink wink* unless they were paying more! *wink wink*].

So you cheat and have no ethics. Doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Do you many physcians? Most are ethical. Clearly you aren't.

You clearly want him dead. /thread.

What???? You have serious logic and reading issues if you think that.

Re-read the thread and start again please, it might help you.

 

[alkemyst]

So you cheat and have no ethics. Doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Do you many physcians? Most are ethical. Clearly you aren't.

Wow. I never said I lied or cheated. I yield to the whole "no good deed goes unpunished" mantra. It's right a lot of the time.

I have a big family of physicians. However, most doctors are not good doctors like everything today. Don't get me started on Veterinarians.

I have never cheated in class. In fact I used to report it, in widespread stuff (lazy professors) I'd ask to do it different.

I did well in college.

What???? You have serious logic and reading issues if you think that.

Re-read the thread and start again please, it might help you.

You want him dead.

 

[Sinsear]

The best part of all this: solitary motherfucker. Sit there and rot.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

You want him dead.

Cluelessness, meet Alkemyst....Alkemyst, meet cluelessness, your new best friend.

If you seriously think that, you are either trolling or you have no reading comprehension. Which is it?

As a side note, I notice that all the people defending Mannings treatment with excuses like its the military, so it's OK, or he might kill himself, etc.. still can't show one case where another detained serviceman has been treated like this.

Just goes to show that Eaglekeeper, Infohawk and others can't put facts to demonstrate anything, but just silently bail out of the thread then facts are shown to prove their misguided theories wrong. Well done guys, just keep spreading the FUD.

Given that everyone is equal under the law, when you show that someone is getting substantially worse treatment then everyone else, that sure isn't "equal", now isn't it? SO you have to wonder why Manning is singled out for this punishment, when he hasn't even been tried yet. And all you authoritarians do is say "ah, it's OK, he's guilty". Way to throw out our constitution.

 

[Narmer]

The best part of all this: solitary motherfucker. Sit there and rot.

Yeah, I think that is the best way to go. However, the only thing that bothers me is that we would have to pay for his time while he's alive. It'd be nice if he was given some disease so he could die very slowly and, if we're lucky, go insane. Then tape it and sell it to recoup wasted dollars on this animal. I'd buy movie-theatre popcorn just to watch that at home.