Manning confinement is in accordance with the UCMJ, why is it so hard for you to understand?
Are you that clueless? Do you seriously think that all crimes are found or even punished? Really, are you that dumb?
It's against the UCMJ....if people like you and the other people here are so apathetic, and the government gets away with it, it's still illegal.
You do recall that little thing called illegal wiretapping that happened, and the telco's got a retroactive pardon. I guess that wasn't illegal either huh? There are plenty of crimes committed, where no one is punished. Did they never happen, LOL?
I mean, really, get a clue.
Manning confinement is in accordance with the UCMJ, why is it so hard for you to understand?
I'm sorry to point out your ignorance, but he has not been convicted of anything yet, so please re-read the UCMJ to educate yourself.
He admitted himself did he not that he gave out the information to someone??? Or did I miss the news (entirely possible) that that was not the case and he didn't say that?
If feel the need for people that have Federal data that is classified that leak it intentionally (must be proven), to be imprisoned until their trial, Yes. And if they're found guilty, they can have 3 forms of punishment depending on the severity of the crime:
1.) Chop off a finger (no pain killer).
2.) Chop off whole hand (no pain killer).
3.) Death.
You don't see a problem with that do you, given that the intentional leaking of Federal classified information is treason, something that should be dealt with in the most severe manner?
Chuck
He does not feel that the UCMJ should apply. That the civilian standards of cruel & unusual punishment along with innocent until proven guilty overrule the UCMJ.
the problem is that Maning's lawyers can not point out to where the military is leagally wrong; just morally.
Well, moral wrong applies in both sides and Manning struck first (by his own admission)
You're such an asshole. I'm sure manning would love to fuck you.
I did answer it, sweetie. Perhaps Manning would do better having you on his legal team since his current lawyers don't understand the law as much as youAre you still here? I thought you bailed when you showed you didn't have the guts to answer my question and defend yourself. I guess stupid little homophobic posts are more your style and all you can handle?
Wow, you really dig yourself a deep hole, don't you. First, you claim "the miltary is different", without any evidence to support your BS claim. When it's proven wrong, you just ignore it and move on. I must say, that is an impressive attempt to remain ignorant, kudos. Oh, BTW, morals don't matter in the court of law, but that is just another strawman to try and justify his punishment, way to go with that as well.
Given that I have posted numberous times the applicable UCMJ law, and challenged you and others to defend how you think his treatment is not in kleeeping with the UCMJ, I must say you just totally lied in your post above, since everything I have said is in according to military (UCMJ) law. Very classy. Do you always lie to people? Pure (lack of) class on your part I must say.
Since narmer is to much of a troll to show any guts to back up his baseless assertions, we will see if you are too. I'll ask you the same thing I asked him. Do you have the guts to man up and answer with proof?
So answer yes or no: Is his treatment the minimum needed to safely get to trial?
That is the only question here. If no, it's in violation of the UCMJ and illegal.
If yes, please defend you answer with some actual proof explaining why all those restrictions are needed to protect him in some form, given that the physicians have said he is not a suicide risk. Especially all those restrictions while he is alone in his cell, LOL, away from where anyone could even possibly harm him. Just as an example, defend how the following actions are needed to protect him from others:
So how does no exercise in his cell protect him from others?
How does stripping to his underwear protect him from others?
How does waking him up if his head is covered protect him from others?
How does taking away all books at night protect him from others?
How does not having a pillow or sheets protect him from others?
Either man up and answer or STFU and bail out like the troll you are becoming. Your choice. If you refuse to answer, we will all know what you are.
Wow, you really dig yourself a deep hole, don't you. First, you claim "the miltary is different", without any evidence to support your BS claim. When it's proven wrong, you just ignore it and move on. I must say, that is an impressive attempt to remain ignorant, kudos. Oh, BTW, morals don't matter in the court of law, but that is just another strawman to try and justify his punishment, way to go with that as well.
Given that I have posted numberous times the applicable UCMJ law, and challenged you and others to defend how you think his treatment is not in kleeeping with the UCMJ, I must say you just totally lied in your post above, since everything I have said is in according to military (UCMJ) law. Very classy. Do you always lie to people? Pure (lack of) class on your part I must say.
Since narmer is to much of a troll to show any guts to back up his baseless assertions, we will see if you are too. I'll ask you the same thing I asked him. Do you have the guts to man up and answer with proof?
So answer yes or no: Is his treatment the minimum needed to safely get to trial?
That is the only question here. If no, it's in violation of the UCMJ and illegal.
If yes, please defend you answer with some actual proof explaining why all those restrictions are needed to protect him in some form, given that the physicians have said he is not a suicide risk. Especially all those restrictions while he is alone in his cell, LOL, away from where anyone could even possibly harm him. Just as an example, defend how the following actions are needed to protect him from others:
So how does no exercise in his cell protect him from others?
How does stripping to his underwear protect him from others?
How does waking him up if his head is covered protect him from others?
How does taking away all books at night protect him from others?
How does not having a pillow or sheets protect him from others?
Either man up and answer or STFU and bail out like the troll you are becoming. Your choice. If you refuse to answer, we will all know what you are.
Where is his treatment in violation of the UCMJ?
It is in violation of your moral stanadards.
No person, while being held for trial, may be subjected to punishment or penalty other than arrest or confinement upon the charges pending against him, nor shall the arrest or confinement imposed upon him be any more rigorous than the circumstances required to insure his presence, but he may be subjected to minor punishment during that period for infractions of discipline.
For 23 hours per day, he will sit in his cell. The guards will check on him every five minutes by asking him if he is okay. PFC Manning will be required to respond in some affirmative manner. At night, if the guards cannot see him clearly, because he has a blanket over his head or is curled up towards the wall, they will wake him in order to ensure that he is okay. He will receive each of his meals in his cell. He will not be allowed to have a pillow or sheets. He will not be allowed to have any personal items in his cell. He will only be allowed to have one book or one magazine at any given time to read. The book or magazine will be taken away from him at the end of the day before he goes to sleep. He will be prevented from exercising in his cell. If he attempts to do push-ups, sit-ups, or any other form of exercise he will be forced to stop. He will receive one hour of exercise outside of his cell daily. The guards will take him to an empty room and allow him to walk. He will usually just walk in figure eights around the room until his hour is complete. When he goes to sleep, he will be required to strip down to his underwear and surrender his clothing to the guards.
I did answer it, sweetie. Perhaps Manning would do better having you on his legal team since his current lawyers don't understand the law as much as you
You have yet to show a single illegality on the part of the military prison system, yet you keep regurgitating the same opinion. You've proven nothing except to show that you are weak-kneed and your heart bleeds for this asshole. It's obvious that you take yourself very seriously but don't be so offended that others don't agree with your personal opinion. Who knows, you might be wrong.No you didn't. You gave no answer and no reasoning for your answer. would like to explain how his treatment is OK? Facts please, something you have yet to post in 11 pages. I wonder why? Probably because you have none?
His lawyer knows about the law, way more then you or me, that is why he is a lawyer, and you are homophobic troll.
All you can do is throw out homophobic slurs against any and all people that post facts that destroy your position. Hmm, troll much?
Too bad you can't get banned for trolling and refusing to debate, while just thread-crapping with homophobic insults. Show to show some class, and either post facts or leave. Petty insults just show how clueless you are and how ignorant you are when you have nothing of value to add.
Well Garfield, where is your proof Manning is not being held in accordance with the UCMJ?
He's taking the word of the defense lawyer. Laughable.
I find it very, very difficult to believe that the UCMJ has no provisions for national security, considering that so many people under the UCMJ have information that could be very damaging to national security. Even civilian law recognizes much more leeway than that. There is very strong evidence that this young man has demonstrated his willingness to intentionally damage national security on nothing more than his own hurt feelings; damn straight I support keeping him in solitary until his case has been adjudicated, less he do even more damage.First, you don't even have the guts to answer the question. But really, are that clueless? Or are you just intentionally trolling?
The UCMJ specifically states (that means military law to you, since you apparently get confused easily):
So how do you reconcile that legal statement with his treatment:
That doesn't sound like "be any more rigorous than the circumstances required to insure his presence", which would make it illegal under the UCMJ.
So again, I ask you , since you are too chicken to state an answer:
Is his treatment in keeping with the UCMJ, the law he is required to be held to? Yes or No.
If no, it's illegal
If yes, provide a legal reason (not a BS "eaglekeeper fact free guess") why, in order to get him safely to trial, he is under all those restrictions.
Unless you can provide a reason that among other things, not being given a pillow and sheets, not being able to exercise in his cell, have to strip to his underwear, are all necessary for him to get to his trial, it is violation of the law. No morals, no guessing, just plain legal fact. Is that really hard to understand, or is your blind hatred just oblivious to facts since you would rather just inflict punishment on him now, without waiting on a trial.
Again, man up. Are you so afraid to answer the question? It's an easy one to answer. Yes or no, with facts to back it up. Or shut and admit you are wrong because you don't even know what you are talking about.
Do you live in the US? Are you above the age of 12? OOf you answer yes to these questions, then you should understand US law, which the guiding principle is "innocent until proven quilty".
So unless you can link to proof that he has been tried in a military court-martial and convicted, you are totally clueless. Which is it?
And to be honest, so are a sick **** for thinking about chopping body parts off.
*cough* bullshit *cough*
Another one that can't read properly:
So how does no exercise in his cell protect him from others?
How does stripping to his underwear protect him from others?
How does waking him up if his head is covered protect him from others?
How does taking away all books at night protect him from others?
How does not having a pillow or sheets protect him from others?
Nice try, but you fail.
The proof of these allegations is ....? His lawyer? How do you say *cough* bullshit *cough*
Nice try, but you fail.
No, the proof is the military admitting they are doing it. When both parties agree it is happening, it makes it hard for a clueless person like you to deny it, but good jog trying.
I find it very, very difficult to believe that the UCMJ has no provisions for national security, considering that so many people under the UCMJ have information that could be very damaging to national security. Even civilian law recognizes much more leeway than that. There is very strong evidence that this young man has demonstrated his willingness to intentionally damage national security on nothing more than his own hurt feelings; damn straight I support keeping him in solitary until his case has been adjudicated, less he do even more damage.
Ironically the only provisions I consider chicken shit - withholding sheets and a pillow - are the very ones that could be justified under your quoted section. If he commits suicide, he can hardly be present.
No person, while being held for trial, may be subjected to punishment or penalty other than arrest or confinement upon the charges pending against him, nor shall the arrest or confinement imposed upon him be any more rigorous than the circumstances required to insure his presence, but he may be subjected to minor punishment during that period for infractions of discipline.
Link to military admitting they are "torturing" him as such?
If feel the need for people that have Federal data that is classified that leak it intentionally (must be proven), to be imprisoned until their trial, Yes. And if they're found guilty, they can have 3 forms of punishment depending on the severity of the crime:
1.) Chop off a finger (no pain killer).
2.) Chop off whole hand (no pain killer).
3.) Death.
You don't see a problem with that do you, given that the intentional leaking of Federal classified information is treason, something that should be dealt with in the most severe manner?
Chuck
He seems to keep ignoring you on this...Garfield, where's you're proof that Manning is not being held in accordance with the UCMJ. Why hasn't his lawyer petitioned for him to be moved to another cell or facility? Could it be that the lawyer knows that Manning is in fact being held in accordance with the UCMJ?