Will Anandtech review the HDFury?

[1and1]

Originally posted by: jkresh
JackBurton you didn't mention for 3. That "HDMI is digital, component is analog" and this device actualy converts the hdmi to vga (which is also analog) so thats another argument of his thats kind of ridiculous.

BIgapp I guess if you are spending $3000 on a scaler and are connecting to an old high end crt projector then this could be useful (assuming the projector has vga) , but your scaler actually has component inputs (and at least until 2010 those are fine for hd-dvd and blue ray) and no vga input so this device wont help you.

You make me laugh big time !!

DIGITAL and ANALOG makes difference over the cable LENGHT !!!

If you have 5 meters of DIGITAL cable you have no loss, if you have 5 meters cable of ANALOG you have big loss.

The longer the cable is, the worst quality you get at the end with ANALOG !

So if you use your brain, you will find out that you can run DIGITAL cable to your display and then output ANALOG with the SHORTEST RGB ANALOG LINK that you could get, means BEST quality possible ! This is what HDfury is doing

Your comment just show that you believe this stuff connect to the SOURCE and not the display, otherwise you will have understand since a while that this device allow you to keep the digital link

 

[1and1]

Originally posted by: bigapp
I'm new here, their is a good reason for this device no one mentioned. I'm buying a $3000 dollar Video processor the DVDO VP50. If I want it to convert from a 1080P/24 signal out of a PS3 to my 1080i CRT Mits I need to strip HDCP. Why? a 1080p signal converted by an external scaler to 1080i will blow the PS3 1080i component out away.

Yes sir, you are right !
It will blow the CRAPonent even without the Scaller, and yes results with Scaler are just above any expectation

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: 1and1
Well Guys, forget about this forums, better use AVSforums or Curtpalme or any others sources.

It looks like that some folks want to stick with their wrong beliefs !

I'll drop the last TRUE facts for the noobish jack burton :

- HDMI allow DVD upscalling to 720p / 1080p ! (CRAPonent allow NOTHING ! No DVD upscalling through CRAPonent)
- HDMI is DIGITAL , Craponent is analog
- HDMI allow 720p and 1080p , CRAPonent allow 1080p, but NO TV accept 1080p by CRAPonent
- HDMI include True HD dolby sound, CRAPonent include nothing except signal noise

Jack Burton considers that all people who bought a projector, mostly ALL members from AVSforum and CurtPalme forum and others site like that as idiot !
He would recommend them to buy CRAPonent to hook up their expensive display so they cannot get 1080p very nice suggestion from him

Jack Burton considers that all PC screens owners shoud not GET HDMI source connected like PS3.

Jack Burton considers CRAPonent as superior to HDMI (this is the funniest one lol, may everybody wonders why the ****** the industry designed HDMI as the new standard )

finally Jack Burton recommends anyone out there, to buy a CRAPonent cable for all HDMI source they gonna bought.

As a conclusion Jack Burton is real idiot !

very convincing. :roll:
At least you got one thing right.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Me want two, it good!!!

It would be nice if all viral marketing was this obvious

 

[DigitalVillage]

Hello Folks,

I'm a professional HT supplier and installer.
You can find my posts on AVSforum, where some users reported this discussion.

I can understand and1 is upset, what he wrote down is correct and we are using HDCP stripper since 2004 for our customers (CP252, FC4, DVIlink, ...)

It's also true that HDfury represents the best / cheapest solution available actually.

Jackburton have missed the point,
HDCP stripper does exist since many years and are in HIGH demand due to many owners of expensive displays in the need for a solution while more and more HDMI source comes out everyday

Component will never upscale DVD to 1080p because the industry doesn't want it through component (they don't allow easy recording)

Component will never display 1080p at all, even if the source outputs it because no display accept 1080p by component. (Again it's an industry's choice; refer to digital-cp.com)

At the end the market is clear and pretty big:
All high end displays like projector, HDTV or PC screen.

Component is the cheapest and worst solution.
HDMI is the most expensive and best solution.
Basic logic in fact.

Its obviously normal that some users don't care about the picture quality of their installation so they will not care about having HDMI and will be happy with component.

the problem some are having here is that they are probably used to buy goods of useless value from supermarket while those kind of goods are available only from specialized professionals in HT

 

[DaveSimmons]

Jackburton have missed the point, HDCP stripper does exist since many years and are in HIGH demand due to many owners of expensive displays in the need for a solution

Hmm, another new account speaking the exact same Engrish.

I'm double-convinced now!

 

[1and1]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Jackburton have missed the point, HDCP stripper does exist since many years and are in HIGH demand due to many owners of expensive displays in the need for a solution

Hmm, another new account speaking the exact same Engrish.

I'm double-convinced now!

WTF !!!! :disgust: Are you ****** kidding me ?!!!!

moderator will clear your doubts at light speed if you just INVESTIGATE or THINK before making conclusion

I'm off this place ! you don't deserve anymore time

To any one reading this discussion and getting even more confused than before because a FEW CHAPS seem to DECIDE for every ONE else what to do and what to not do with their hardware.
My soul of human being wants to told them the following:

Our mind is of 3 categories:
what we know, what we don?t know, and what we don?t know that we don?t know.
Not knowing is unfortunate; not knowing that we don?t know is tragic.
[It's actually the case of JackBurton and others noob comments we have seen there]

The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate.
[It's the case of anyone acting like the mass, because they have been educated in doing so. Once again, Jackburton cannot imaging that someone may connect another HDMI source to his PC screen than a HDMI graphic card prolly because it's a PC screen so only PC could be connected. UNIQUE THINKING, he and others cannot understand that people who have paid top dollars for technically able display wants them to be compatible with HDMI source as HDMI is now in the shelves, any video source you gonna bought for Xmas ARE HDMI. Hidding behind component is a right choice, it's cheap and good enough ! But there is better solution. All criticism but i admit the situation like it is, while you refuse to consider anything else than what you believe is the only way]

Do not believe on the strength of traditions even if they have been held in honour for many generations and in many places; do not believe anything because many people speak of it; do not believe on the strength of sages of old times; do not believe that which you have yourselves imagined, thinking that a god has inspired you.
Believe nothing which depends only on the authority of your masters or of priests.
After investigation, believe that which you have yourselves tested and found reasonable, and which is for your good and that of others.

Good Luck :laugh:

 

[cybershop]

I am sorry to inform all customers who have bought HDFURY from us that they have made a mistake, please can you return it for a refund as obviously component is the way forward. HDCP was invented to stop people using crappy devices like HDMI, in fact, please could anybody with a HD TV/monitor not HD ready please take it back & buy a much superior 14" goldfishbowl instead !

I mean why the hell do you want to play your PS3 games, Elite, SAT, HDDVD etc @ 1080P ? What's the damn matter with you people ???

Black & white TV is the way forward, no, actually lets go back to RADIO mmmmmmmm.

OMG, whats that? Sony wanting to bundle HDFURY with PS3 ? I think the had better read this thread first ROFL

 

[cybershop]

The general point is that there ARE millions of people out there who cannot get 1080p on their displays unless they use a device like HDFURY. I agree with 1 & 1, he obviously know what he is talking about, as do most people on avforums & curtpalme as they are crazy for the HDFURY.

I am not here to sell HDFURY, it sells itself, just to try to clarify the reasons behind it's design.

 

[jkresh]

cybershop, first I am not saying that there is not a use for this product. What I and others are saying is that its a fairly small market (and one not represented on anandtech), of people with high end crt monitors or projectors.
The main problem I and other forum members are having is the ferociousness with which you and others are hyping this device (when almost all or all your posts are on this one topic). It really does seem like a sales pitch of sorts and that is not a good way to get people to buy something.
An example of this is your "There are Millions of people out there who cannot get 1080p..." I highly doubt there are millions of crt's that are in use that are capable of outputting 1080p be it monitors or projectors, the vast majority of monitors sold in the 19-20+ inch category were 1600x1200 max and have been retired. There is certainly a crowd (more represented at avs then here) who have high end crt projectors with bnc as there only direct input for whom this device would be useful (for blue_ray and hd-dvd at least)) but I don't know that many people who game on a projector let alone on an older massive crt projector (I do game on a 720p panasonic ae900 with a 106inch screen and will probably go 1080p within a year).
Every time someone creates a new account (even if its a different person) just to talk about this product it actually lowers the faith of the average reader in the value of the product, and even on avs and the other mentioned forums there are not hundreds of posts saying that people want it but dozens.

As an aside one thing that has not been mentioned so far is that since this does skirt the hdcp issue (probably doesnt directly violate since it converts to analog but still) its possible that the hdcp codes on it could be invalidated and it could be rendered useless at any point (at least for blue-ray/hd-dvd released after that).

And one has to wonder for a relatively inexpensive device with no direct power input how good its digital/analog conversion would be and if it really would provide a better picture over a short distance (lets say less then 15 feet) then just using component out from the player. Obviously the digital cabling is very beneficial with long runs as high quality component cables over 25 feet can get expensive but unless you have a projector you wont be running cables that long.

 

[bigsnyder]

@jkresh

I wouldn't waste your time. Rationalizing with the person is pointless,
though the effort is commendable.

 

[mecroft]

Originally posted by: jkresh
What I and others are saying is that its a fairly small market (and one not represented on anandtech), of people with high end crt monitors or projectors. .

Why CRT only ? Why not LCD, Plasma, and so on ?

An example of this is your "There are Millions of people out there who cannot get 1080p..." I highly doubt there are millions of crt's that are in use that are capable of outputting 1080p be it monitors or projectors, the vast majority of monitors sold in the 19-20+ inch category were 1600x1200 max and have been retired.

For unknow reasons you are considering CRT only for the moment, the thing is that 1600x1200 is good enough for 720p so why should they not use 720p HDMI on those monitors ?

And one has to wonder for a relatively inexpensive device with no direct power input how good its digital/analog conversion would be and if it really would provide a better picture over a short distance (lets say less then 15 feet) then just using component out from the player. Obviously the digital cabling is very beneficial with long runs as high quality component cables over 25 feet can get expensive but unless you have a projector you wont be running cables that long.

The device is taking +5v from HDMI, it also have an external +5v input for extra long cable hookup (USB +5v cable)
Your question about quality is legit, It looks like you have HDMI display already.
Into HDMI source you have HDMI transmitter IC, Into HDMI display you have HDMI receiver IC. (those both IC are making HDCP handshaking that's why you got BLACKSCREEN if you miss one of them)
What is missing on older display not HDCP is that HDMI receiver IC.
HDfury module is adding that receiver IC on your display input.
The conversion quality is the same as any top brand display out there at the moment (exact same hardware IC from Silicon Images)
Also HDfury is made of gold plated material ensuring best quality possible.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i'm new here, but a long time lurker. whateverthef@ck this obscure thing is supposed to do is absolutely essential. trust me, i'm an expert.

 

[xylem]

This might not be a main-stream product, but i'm glad to learn about it, and thankful for the useful information posted here.

 

[jkresh]

mecroft, the reason I didn't mention lcd's or plasma is that if you have an lcd capable of 1080p then you have dvi at the least and if its a tv and not a monitor you have hdmi (or at least dvi with hdcp which means you need a 5$ hdmi/dvi adapter and not this). As for plasma, 1080p plasma's are brand new and as far as I know all of them have hdmi. For 720 on either an lcd or plasma a component input will look as good (or possibly better then an hdmi converted to vga).

 

[cybershop]

Hi Jkresh, thanks for your reply.

There are obviously different market according to country but there is actually a siginificant number of Barco/NEC/Marquee owners who love this device. It is better to offer these guys something they dont have already instead of something that is commonplace. Same for gamers, the are many who DO want to play 1080p on their monitors etc.

I cannot see anybody ferociously plugging this product, just people defending what it does & what mis-information people assume about it.

It is HDCP compliant, this was THE major factor in it's design so there will be no future issues or invalidation etc. ;-)

Once again the cabling issue is down to the individual, there will be 1 zillion & 1 different hook-ups out there do doubt lol but the fact is that the HDFURY helps give the BEST POSSIBLE picture & does what it says on the tin so to speak.

This thread was all about a review of the HDFURY not a personal attack on anyone or their knowledge afterall.

The proof is in the pudding.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: 1and1

Jack Burton considers CRAPonent as superior to HDMI (this is the funniest one lol, may everybody wonders why the ****** the industry designed HDMI as the new standard )

The industry invented HDMI as the new "standard" for two reasons:
1)Singular connector for audio/video
B)DRM (also possible with DVI, yes, but DVI was never pushed heavily for consumer display devices and AV gear - It was mainly stuck in the PC realm)

As a conclusion Jack Burton is real idiot !

Honestly, I'd call you an idiot first - you type like a Nigerian.

BTW, for those of you stating "All TVs with HDMI are HDCP", my dad's 64" Mistubishi rpCRT has a non-HDCP HDMI input.

 

[mecroft]

I'd call you an idiot first - you type like a Nigerian.

I guess RACISM have nothing to do here gentleman !

 

[mecroft]

Originally posted by: jkresh
mecroft, the reason I didn't mention lcd's or plasma is that if you have an lcd capable of 1080p then you have dvi at the least and if its a tv and not a monitor you have hdmi (or at least dvi with hdcp which means you need a 5$ hdmi/dvi adapter and not this). As for plasma, 1080p plasma's are brand new and as far as I know all of them have hdmi. For 720 on either an lcd or plasma a component input will look as good (or possibly better then an hdmi converted to vga).

Ok wrong belief but i see your point, you missed many PC screen here:

PC monitors who have VGA input AND/OR DVI but not HDCP !!
Look the DELL, all the Sony, Panasonic, and others PC monitors (like the one you can see on the video here: http://www.hkmod.com/HDfury.wmv)

Now imagine you bought a such display for thousands dollars, if you resell it to buy a brand new, you will get nothing for it because it's not HDMI , if you keep it you cannot use it to its full capacities without HDCP stripper

No PC screen sold in 2004 were HDCP compliant , and many was already able to display 1080p and/or 720p (i have 2 sony and 1 dell here, 2 are 1080p able 1 is 720p able, none are HDCP !)

Finally the last comment you did is wrong (even if you are right on 720p by component or HDMI on middle range product with standard cable, you won't see big difference, picture will be sharper and lighter on the border through HDMI not more, HDMI have extra features but component is decent enough for that use)

BUT

Component will NEVER look as good as HDMI decyphered !
Nothing can look better than HDMI decyphered at the moment. (it's the best quality you can get from publicly available video source)

In fact you just have 2 choices for HD:

1) HDMI for HD and FULL HD

2) component for HD but never FULL HD

 

[mecroft]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
i'm new here, but a long time lurker. whateverthef@ck this obscure thing is supposed to do is absolutely essential. trust me, i'm an expert.

DRM Free HDMI signal decyphered is more than essential, 100% agree !

 

[cybershop]

totally agree mercroft & The Boston Dangler. My Sony monitor has DVI but no HDCP now it looks stunning !

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: mecroft

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
i'm new here, but a long time lurker. whateverthef@ck this obscure thing is supposed to do is absolutely essential. trust me, i'm an expert.

DRM Free HDMI signal decyphered is more than essential, 100% agree !

Originally posted by: cybershop
totally agree mercroft & The Boston Dangler. My Sony monitor has DVI but no HDCP now it looks stunning !

The Boston Dangler was mocking you, you, you silly non-english speaking persons!

 

[DaveSimmons]

I'm now convinced: if I had to choose between a free HDFury and Alyson Hannigan covered in whipped cream, it would be a very tough decision. The HDFury is just that important!

 

[jkresh]

mecroft, I didn't miss those monitors I have one (my dell 2405 is 1900x1200 and has vga, component, and dvi but no hdcp), what I originally said was that an hdcp stripper with dvi out (thereby keeping it digital would be nice) but if I want to connect through analog I could just use vga or component anyway.

 

[cybershop]

raduque, I AM English you retard, it is you who bastardises our language ! You racist amoeba