Will Biden pack the court?

[Moonbeam]

In my opinion Biden should ask the two last appointed justices to resign knowing they have their jobs as a result of two acts of total political corruption. He should remind them that they will never be seen as legitimate SC justices due to the manner of their appointment and will never have the respect do a justice to that court from the majority of the American people. "If you are honest and impartial, actually of judicial temperament, you can't stay on the court and should resign. And if they do not I would wish Biden remind them that they have not and remain as illegitimate court members at every press conference he attends.

I can't imagine how these two can live with themselves.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Uhhh... kinda hard if Dems don't win a majority in the senate. Last I checked they likely won't.

you keep checking with the wrong people....how did Pennsylvania or Trumps re-election turn out for you

 

[IronWing]

In my opinion Biden should ask the two last appointed justices to resign knowing they have their jobs as a result of two acts of total political corruption. He should remind them that they will never be seen as legitimate SC justices due to the manner of their appointment and will never have the respect do a justice to that court from the majority of the American people. "If you are honest and impartial, actually of judicial temperament, you can't stay on the court and should resign. And if they do not I would wish Biden remind them that they have not and remain as illegitimate court members at every press conference he attends.

I can't imagine how these two can live with themselves.

Nice thought but the last two are very comfortable with the corruption that got them on the court. The guy that attempted to provide legal cover for Bush's war crimes ain't gonna lose sleep over Mitch's play to get him on the court. Pelosi hasn't seen fit to impeach Boof Boy for perjury so I can't see Biden speaking out against him.

 

[JEDIYoda]

At some point there will be a republican president and senate again, they'll just do the same thing.

that`s OK!! They will keep doing the same shit anyways

 

[Moonbeam]

Nice thought but the last two are very comfortable with the corruption that got them on the court. The guy that attempted to provide legal cover for Bush's war crimes ain't gonna lose sleep over Mitch's play to get him on the court. Pelosi hasn't seen fit to impeach Boof Boy for perjury so I can't see Biden speaking out against him.

I really don't care how comfortable they are with the corruptions so long as they become roundly famous for that fact. They should know that every stranger they meet knows what they accept about themselves, the two legitimates1 on who lack sufficient personal dignity to be able to remain on the court. They are there because of Republican corruption and that makes them participants in evil.

You liberals can probably live with your moral relativism, but I am a conservative. As Ye Sow, So Shall Ye Reap

 

[blackangst1]

I imagine a world in 20 years where we have 311 POTUS justices.

 

[zinfamous]

I am of a differing opinion. I don't want the SCOTUS packed, I also don't want them all Puggers, either. 2 of the 3 branches of legislature are elected. I think SCOTUS should be elected as well. 3 terms of 4 years.

hell fucking no

 

[JEDI]

Uhhh... kinda hard if Dems don't win a majority in the senate. Last I checked they likely won't.

yeah, they have a horrible track record in runnoffs in GA.
i think in the last one, for the general election the dem got 43% and the repub got 47% but the dem lost in the runoff by 13%.

 

[Cogman]

Will Biden pack the court? Not until 2023 (if ever). Even if the GA races go for the democrats, it is highly unlikely that all democrats will support a court expansion. Biden needs a larger democrat senate to do that than a 50/50 split.

Would he do it? I think he would if he had the votes. He simply does not have the votes.

Should he do it? Absolutely! The republicans nuked the norms with judicial appointments to heavily pack the courts with conservative hacks. Frankly, the courts need to be fixed and the only way to do that at this point is through court expansion.

Republicans stole a supreme court seat. They've stolen a BUNCH of federal seats. It sucks that this is where we are at, but frankly that's where the republicans have driven us. ACB was really the last straw here. She's unqualified for her seat on the supreme court due to her extreme views.

Democrats need to start playing hardball. Republicans have been for years now. They need to make DC and PR states to keep the senate out of Republican hands. They need to expand the courts. And after that, they need to pass a BUNCH of election reform bills and anti-gerrymandering bills to fix our election system. And if that fixes things, the next thing to do is eliminate the electoral college and push in ranked choice voting (not likely to happen, but I can dream).

That's how America is fixed. We simply can't let the christian nationalists of the republican party take power again.

 

[hal2kilo]

This article is beginning to change my mind about packing the court as it is currently composed.

Trump's Supreme Court just showed why court-packing is necessary to save U.S. democracy | Salon.com
As a pair of Supreme Court decisions from the Republican majority showed this week, they feel free to do exactly what they were appointed to do: Impose their far-right ideology on an unwilling public.

The most recent, unsigned opinion was part of the court's "shadow docket," which, as Salon's Igor Derysh explains, is "where the justices hand down largely unsigned short opinions without going through standard hearings, deliberations, and transparency." Typically reserved for uncontroversial or emergency petitions, Derysh reports that "the shadow docket has dramatically grown under the increasingly conservative Supreme Court, alarming legal experts."

 

[gothuevos]

Don't do it. GOP will likely be back in power soon and it will backfire. I don't think they will have a filibuster-proof Senate majority so for the time being, we may actually need to rely on it.

 

[dank69]

Don't do it. GOP will likely be back in power soon and it will backfire. I don't think they will have a filibuster-proof Senate majority so for the time being, we may actually need to rely on it.

The GOP has no actual policy that they can get majority support for among their own. There is likely no downside to getting rid of the filibuster. Packing the court though, I can see that escalating.

 

[fskimospy]

Don't do it. GOP will likely be back in power soon and it will backfire. I don't think they will have a filibuster-proof Senate majority so for the time being, we may actually need to rely on it.

If you think the GOP would let the filibuster stop them from accomplishing their goals you are living in a fantasy world. In case you haven't noticed, the GOP has already abolished the filibuster for every type of governance they care about. It baffles me that more people do not realize this.

Let's look at the tape:
1) When Democrats tried to filibuster GOP judges the GOP moved to abolish it for judges until the Democrats capitulated.

2) When Democrats gained power the GOP filibustered judges at a greater rate than at any other time in history until the Democrats abolished it for all but SCOTUS nominations.

3) When a GOP SCOTUS nominee came up they immediately abolished the filibuster for SCOTUS.

4) When the GOP saw it was able to block an Obama SCOTUS nomination by refusing to vote on it they said SCOTUS justices shouldn't be confirmed in an election year.

5) When the GOP had a nomination in an election year they said 'just kidding' and confirmed a justice not just in an election year, but literally three days before the election.

The way it works now is that the filibuster exists for Democratic priorities and not for Republican ones. Surely you can see how when Democrats need 60 votes for their bills and Republicans need 50 for theirs, how this is long term bad for the country. The filibuster was never intended to exist in the first place, let's fix the historical error once and for all. Abolish it entirely.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If you think the GOP would let the filibuster stop them from accomplishing their goals you are living in a fantasy world. In case you haven't noticed, the GOP has already abolished the filibuster for every type of governance they care about. It baffles me that more people do not realize this.

Let's look at the tape:
1) When Democrats tried to filibuster GOP judges the GOP moved to abolish it for judges until the Democrats capitulated.

2) When Democrats gained power the GOP filibustered judges at a greater rate than at any other time in history until the Democrats abolished it for all but SCOTUS nominations.

3) When a GOP SCOTUS nominee came up they immediately abolished the filibuster for SCOTUS.

4) When the GOP saw it was able to block an Obama SCOTUS nomination by refusing to vote on it they said SCOTUS justices shouldn't be confirmed in an election year.

5) When the GOP had a nomination in an election year they said 'just kidding' and confirmed a justice not just in an election year, but literally three days before the election.

The way it works now is that the filibuster exists for Democratic priorities and not for Republican ones. Surely you can see how when Democrats need 60 votes for their bills and Republicans need 50 for theirs, how this is long term bad for the country. The filibuster was never intended to exist in the first place, let's fix the historical error once and for all. Abolish it entirely.

Yup and as I have said. Go ahead GOP kill ACA or whatever you want to kill. Go for it.
Let’s see what happens.

 

[fskimospy]

Yup and as I have said. Go ahead GOP kill ACA or whatever you want to kill. Go for it.
Let’s see what happens.

They already tried that and couldn’t even get 50 votes. The threat of the GOP running wild is a fairy tale.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

They already tried that and couldn’t even get 50 votes. The threat of the GOP running wild is a fairy tale.

Exactly.

 

[Dave_5k]

This article is beginning to change my mind about packing the court as it is currently composed.

Trump's Supreme Court just showed why court-packing is necessary to save U.S. democracy | Salon.com
As a pair of Supreme Court decisions from the Republican majority showed this week, they feel free to do exactly what they were appointed to do: Impose their far-right ideology on an unwilling public.

The most recent, unsigned opinion was part of the court's "shadow docket," which, as Salon's Igor Derysh explains, is "where the justices hand down largely unsigned short opinions without going through standard hearings, deliberations, and transparency." Typically reserved for uncontroversial or emergency petitions, Derysh reports that "the shadow docket has dramatically grown under the increasingly conservative Supreme Court, alarming legal experts."

A realistic threat of court packing is going to be contingent upon generating outrage against the current Justices in swing districts. The court enacting its own personal foreign policies against immigrants may outrage the far left and intellectuals but won’t move the majority (or even a significant minority) in the swing districts needed to push any change. Terminating the anti-eviction order may be more unpopular but won’t generate much outrage.

Will likely soon see if upholding defacto bans on abortion and gutting Roe will be sufficient to start the ball rolling against the current supreme structure…

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

13.


One from each Circuit. Yes FROM. No permanent Justices --- end all current terms.

Each annual Court Session gets a different 13 Justices, one from each Circuit. If a case comes up that one of the rotating Justices heard in their circuit, they sit that case out.

Those 13 are selected for each session at random by the Administrative Office Of The Courts, no input by the Executive or Legislative Branches.

 

[Stokely]

He damn well should, if he gets the chance.

The hypocrite GOP stalled and stole a seat when Trump came in. The Democrats need to stop doing the "right thing" and fight back. No more bring peashooters to a gunfight.

 

[Matt390]

If you think the GOP would let the filibuster stop them from accomplishing their goals you are living in a fantasy world. In case you haven't noticed, the GOP has already abolished the filibuster for every type of governance they care about. It baffles me that more people do not realize this.

Let's look at the tape:
1) When Democrats tried to filibuster GOP judges the GOP moved to abolish it for judges until the Democrats capitulated.

2) When Democrats gained power the GOP filibustered judges at a greater rate than at any other time in history until the Democrats abolished it for all but SCOTUS nominations.

3) When a GOP SCOTUS nominee came up they immediately abolished the filibuster for SCOTUS.

4) When the GOP saw it was able to block an Obama SCOTUS nomination by refusing to vote on it they said SCOTUS justices shouldn't be confirmed in an election year.

5) When the GOP had a nomination in an election year they said 'just kidding' and confirmed a justice not just in an election year, but literally three days before the election.

The way it works now is that the filibuster exists for Democratic priorities and not for Republican ones. Surely you can see how when Democrats need 60 votes for their bills and Republicans need 50 for theirs, how this is long term bad for the country. The filibuster was never intended to exist in the first place, let's fix the historical error once and for all. Abolish it entirely.

The GOP controlled the Senate and the presidency from the last election, so there was no need to take it to the people for them to decide. They had already decided.

 

[IronWing]

The GOP controlled the Senate and the presidency from the last election, so there was no need to take it to the people for them to decide. They had already decided.

The Republicans controlled both institutions through minority rule; the people were ignored.

 

[Stokely]

Don't do it. GOP will likely be back in power soon and it will backfire. I don't think they will have a filibuster-proof Senate majority so for the time being, we may actually need to rely on it.

How many decades and actions does it take for everyone to realize that the GOP will always act in a hostile way. You pack the court, and they'll take hostile action. You don't pack the court, and they'll do the same action, chortling all the while at the fear of Democrats. They are playing a different game. Democrats are playing a game where the other guy gives a shit about rules and fair play--and he doesn't.

Do I want Democrats to act like the GOP? No, not really. But it's either that or lose. At least I agree with far more of the Democrat platform.

 

[fskimospy]

The GOP controlled the Senate and the presidency from the last election, so there was no need to take it to the people for them to decide. They had already decided.

How is that relevant? You don’t seem to understand my post. The point is that the republicans don’t adhere to any consistent governing principles. In 2016 they said it was wrong to appoint a Supreme Court justice in an election year. In 2020 they changed their mind because it got them what they wanted. Similarly, if the GOP finds the filibuster inconvenient in the future they will eliminate it as well, no matter what they argue now.

The people have decided to grant the Democrats the power to abolish the filibuster. Since we know the GOP doesn’t care about consistency, the Democrats should eliminate it now and then pass their agenda.

 

[fskimospy]

How many decades and actions does it take for everyone to realize that the GOP will always act in a hostile way. You pack the court, and they'll take hostile action. You don't pack the court, and they'll do the same action, chortling all the while at the fear of Democrats. They are playing a different game. Democrats are playing a game where the other guy gives a shit about rules and fair play--and he doesn't.

Do I want Democrats to act like the GOP? No, not really. But it's either that or lose. At least I agree with far more of the Democrat platform.

Exactly. The sooner the Democrats accept that the GOP doesn’t care about norms or even effective governance the sooner they can get to actually combatting it.

In private I’m sure the Republicans in Congress can’t believe their luck that some Democrats actually believe them when they talk about the sanctity of the filibuster.

 

[JEDIYoda]

They already tried that and couldn’t even get 50 votes. The threat of the GOP running wild is a fairy tale.

True!! But it doesn`t mean they won`t try....