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finbarqs

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running on a standard 160GB Laptop HDD. Not too bad. You MUST install drivers FIRST before things will launch! (especially the GPU!)

But what I've noticed:

Apps:
When you install Apps, it runs through the Desktop Mode. It really feels like Windows 8 is just an app overlay on top of Windows 7.

P.S. using Windows 8 Dev Build
 
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yinan

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Just tried to install it on an old Dell Inspiron M90 and it couldnt find a driver for my SATA DVD drive to install.
 

finbarqs

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funny... now I lost my IE tile on my start screen! Instead, I have to settle for the desktop IE! I want my full blown WP7 IE 10! Anyone figured out how to pin to the start screen?
 

T101

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The best way for someone to install this to just have a look around is through VirtualBox that is free. VMWare tend to crash, it does not work right for this at the moment.
 

finbarqs

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does anybody know how to add to the start menu? I want to add my original IE! amongst other programs!
 

trollolo

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downloading right now, gonna try and create a live booting USB out of it. man this is a slow download. getting about 600 KB/s. it's like the 90's all over again
 

ahenkel

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I throw it on my second rig on an old 80gb hard drive I have just for this type of thing.
 

Rhonda the Sly

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does anybody know how to add to the start menu? I want to add my original IE! amongst other programs!
Items will be added to the end of the start menu list after they are added to the start menu folder or you can do a search then right click and press "Pin".
 

Spicedaddy

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The best way for someone to install this to just have a look around is through VirtualBox that is free. VMWare tend to crash, it does not work right for this at the moment.

VMware Workstation 8 (just released I think) works perfectly.
 

Zaap

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Ugh. It's official- at least half of the tech world has completely lost their freakin' minds.

Installed it today on an ancient AMD 939-based spare PC I have at work with dual 24" monitors. The good news: it ran very fast and was snappy even on such old hardware. (But then again, so does Windows 7). Install was very quick.


But then the bad news.

The whole 'metro' UI baloney is nothing more than the equivalent of a popup ad in place of a logical start menu, with fugly blocks of color showcasing crapware-level garbage of the sort most people uninstall off their PC on day one.

On a real system, and given the option, I'd uninstall half of this garbage- including metro- and just keep the traditional tried and true desktop interface.

And by the way, no I don't buy the BULLCRAP that average non-techy computer users are going to just fall over themselves in love with this crap. I asked people in my office today- perfect examples of the average non-tech users- to take a look and see what they thought. Most laughed at the sheer silliness of Metro. In fact, that was the first reaction of just about everyone who saw it, laughter. Because the whole concept is embarrassingly silly. It instantly insinuates that the user MUST be a total retard, and therefore needs a 10-foot brightly colored toddler interface in order to interact with their PC.

NO, sorry, I don't believe even novice users are really interested in having their computer interface make them seem like infantile retards. Now granted, many people don't know what they want in a computer- they just want to surf the web, write emails, etc, and don't think much about user interfaces. But that's half the problem- the interface itself is now IN YOUR FACE with the message "YOU MUST BE A SIMPLETON!" Even if people don't know exactly what they want in a computer interface, I'm pretty certain many know what they DON'T want.


The next common reaction I got was total confusion. (Yes, the wave of the future! Confusing the hell out of the user who is clearly too stupid to want anything other than to be confused.) Click the start menu- and you're greeted with the aforementioned 10-foot toddler interface pop up ad. Great. So there's a big block of wasted space that says 'START'. CLick there. Nothing, of course. So scan through a bunch of odd-sized tiles in what has to be one of the dumbest concepts for application launching/organization ever devised, until finally (maybe, maybe not) finding what you actually want. Click and you're greeted to yet another full-screen 'pop-up ad' equivalent that again wastes your screen real estate.

Then what? I watched several people click around all over the screen trying to find ANYTHING to interact with. How to turn the damn stupid full screen pop-up 'app' off? Who knows? After much clicking and dicking around, a few people actually found the 'hidden' start menu (another BRILLIANT INNOVATION!) and got back to the original full screen pop-up ad (IE: metro or what-ever-the-hell.)

My first thought, and the same of several other people I witnessed, was "Why the hell do I have to click all over the screen- this corner, that place, this area over here, this over there, under here, over there..." to do what I'd normally do from just ONE AREA??

Sorry, even on a tablet I'd hate that.

Click desktop, and suddenly sanity is restored. The computer works like an adult's computer again. As long as the pop-up ad 'metro' nonsense stays out of the picture, things are pretty nice. More confusion: click on IE from the sane interface and suddenly IE opens the way you'd expect it to. So now we have IE for sane computer users AND an IE for the 10-foot toddler interface crowd? Eh, something for everyone I guess.

I thought I was going to hate the ribbon-windows, but since you can collapse them, I actually like the idea. That feature certainly shows promise for being very useful.

Then the real fun- after it took me several minutes of trying, I had to see how long it would take Joe or Jane 'Average' to figure this mind-teaser out: TURN THE COMPUTER OFF.

Let's see: Start? Nope. Back to pop-up ad land. The big 'START'? Nope? Click around all over the screen-- nope, nope. nope. nope. Opps- open up some full screen crapware. Figure out once more how to turn that off again. Back to desktop. Click around- we know it isn't start... nope. nope. nope. nope. nope.

Okay, back to start: finally find the place where you can click 'Log out'- do that. Log out. Click around... something starts to open on the logoff screen- click- nope, it's closed again. Click again- opens- click- closed. Click- wait for it to open- FINALLY you can find yet another area of the screen where you can click to SHUT DOWN.

<sarcasm>WOW! Innovative! My mother simply can't wait for this amazing level of intuitiveness!</sarcasm>

Now, maybe there's some other way to find shut-down, but I didn't bother looking, and no one else found it. A few people didn't even find the above 'major innovative!' way.

And yeah, I realize it's an early preview. A lot will change in the final. But come on. The whole metro direction is pure crap. It's just taking the start menu and making it into full-screen bloat- taking what used to take the flick of your wrist (scrolling up the start menu) and bloating it into having to dick around all over the screen.) At best, it will be a little like using Windows Media Center to launch all applications. Now, WMC in current form makes sense because it's a 10-foot interface. You're supposed to use it from halfway across the room on a huge HDTV screen. But using it for the main Windows launcher on a desktop you're seated right in front of is silly.

I hope the focus on the stuff that is actually cool- faster speed, improvements to explorer, etc. and tone down the metro crap. I've heard it said that we'll be able to turn it off- I sure as hell hope so!

I think most people will turn it off the instant they first fire up their PC- EVEN ON TABLETS! I really don't think people need to revert to being a toddler that needs a gigantic pop-up ad to launch their apps just because they use a touch or pen-enabled interface.
 
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fr

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I just installed it on an HP TouchSmart. It found all the necessary drivers online.

Using the touch screen, I didn't know how to navigate back or bring up a context menu at first. I went back to using mouse/keyboard and realized that when I did a right-click, a menu bar would come up from the bottom. That's when I learned "swipe up" brings up the menu bar. I still haven't figured out how to go back without pressing the Windows key on the keyboard.
 

aceO07

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Works in VMware Workstation, I had to get version 8.

What version did you try it on before? I'm about to try it on 7. Still waiting for download to complete.

update: Nope. It's doesn't work on 7. It's supposed to work in VirtualBox though..
 
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hans030390

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I like it. Takes some getting used to, but this is obviously the direction computers are going to go in. Very touch screen driven.
 

Griffinhart

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I love it for my tablet where touch first, full screen apps work very well. I hate it for my desktop where I rarely use anything full screen or have a touch interface on.

Of course, it's still extremely early to make a final call, but given the developer's build, I will most certainly put a copy on my HP TM-2 convertable tablet, and my Asus EP 121 tablet, and any future tablet I get, but It's not going anywhere near my desktop machine.

The new UI is dedicated to full screen apps that, at most, split screen with one other app. It just won't allow me to work as effectively as Windows 7 currently does.
 

vbuggy

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Ugh. It's official- at least half of the tech world has completely lost their freakin' minds.

Installed it today on an ancient AMD 939-based spare PC I have at work with dual 24" monitors. The good news: it ran very fast and was snappy even on such old hardware. (But then again, so does Windows 7). Install was very quick.


But then the bad news.

The whole 'metro' UI baloney is nothing more than the equivalent of a popup ad in place of a logical start menu, with fugly blocks of color showcasing crapware-level garbage of the sort most people uninstall off their PC on day one.

On a real system, and given the option, I'd uninstall half of this garbage- including metro- and just keep the traditional tried and true desktop interface.

And by the way, no I don't buy the BULLCRAP that average non-techy computer users are going to just fall over themselves in love with this crap. I asked people in my office today- perfect examples of the average non-tech users- to take a look and see what they thought. Most laughed at the sheer silliness of Metro. In fact, that was the first reaction of just about everyone who saw it, laughter. Because the whole concept is embarrassingly silly. It instantly insinuates that the user MUST be a total retard, and therefore needs a 10-foot brightly colored toddler interface in order to interact with their PC.

NO, sorry, I don't believe even novice users are really interested in having their computer interface make them seem like infantile retards. Now granted, many people don't know what they want in a computer- they just want to surf the web, write emails, etc, and don't think much about user interfaces. But that's half the problem- the interface itself is now IN YOUR FACE with the message "YOU MUST BE A SIMPLETON!" Even if people don't know exactly what they want in a computer interface, I'm pretty certain many know what they DON'T want.


The next common reaction I got was total confusion. (Yes, the wave of the future! Confusing the hell out of the user who is clearly too stupid to want anything other than to be confused.) Click the start menu- and you're greeted with the aforementioned 10-foot toddler interface pop up ad. Great. So there's a big block of wasted space that says 'START'. CLick there. Nothing, of course. So scan through a bunch of odd-sized tiles in what has to be one of the dumbest concepts for application launching/organization ever devised, until finally (maybe, maybe not) finding what you actually want. Click and you're greeted to yet another full-screen 'pop-up ad' equivalent that again wastes your screen real estate.

Then what? I watched several people click around all over the screen trying to find ANYTHING to interact with. How to turn the damn stupid full screen pop-up 'app' off? Who knows? After much clicking and dicking around, a few people actually found the 'hidden' start menu (another BRILLIANT INNOVATION!) and got back to the original full screen pop-up ad (IE: metro or what-ever-the-hell.)

My first thought, and the same of several other people I witnessed, was "Why the hell do I have to click all over the screen- this corner, that place, this area over here, this over there, under here, over there..." to do what I'd normally do from just ONE AREA??

Sorry, even on a tablet I'd hate that.

Click desktop, and suddenly sanity is restored. The computer works like an adult's computer again. As long as the pop-up ad 'metro' nonsense stays out of the picture, things are pretty nice. More confusion: click on IE from the sane interface and suddenly IE opens the way you'd expect it to. So now we have IE for sane computer users AND an IE for the 10-foot toddler interface crowd? Eh, something for everyone I guess.

I thought I was going to hate the ribbon-windows, but since you can collapse them, I actually like the idea. That feature certainly shows promise for being very useful.

Then the real fun- after it took me several minutes of trying, I had to see how long it would take Joe or Jane 'Average' to figure this mind-teaser out: TURN THE COMPUTER OFF.

Let's see: Start? Nope. Back to pop-up ad land. The big 'START'? Nope? Click around all over the screen-- nope, nope. nope. nope. Opps- open up some full screen crapware. Figure out once more how to turn that off again. Back to desktop. Click around- we know it isn't start... nope. nope. nope. nope. nope.

Okay, back to start: finally find the place where you can click 'Log out'- do that. Log out. Click around... something starts to open on the logoff screen- click- nope, it's closed again. Click again- opens- click- closed. Click- wait for it to open- FINALLY you can find yet another area of the screen where you can click to SHUT DOWN.

<sarcasm>WOW! Innovative! My mother simply can't wait for this amazing level of intuitiveness!</sarcasm>

Now, maybe there's some other way to find shut-down, but I didn't bother looking, and no one else found it. A few people didn't even find the above 'major innovative!' way.

And yeah, I realize it's an early preview. A lot will change in the final. But come on. The whole metro direction is pure crap. It's just taking the start menu and making it into full-screen bloat- taking what used to take the flick of your wrist (scrolling up the start menu) and bloating it into having to dick around all over the screen.) At best, it will be a little like using Windows Media Center to launch all applications. Now, WMC in current form makes sense because it's a 10-foot interface. You're supposed to use it from halfway across the room on a huge HDTV screen. But using it for the main Windows launcher on a desktop you're seated right in front of is silly.

I hope the focus on the stuff that is actually cool- faster speed, improvements to explorer, etc. and tone down the metro crap. I've heard it said that we'll be able to turn it off- I sure as hell hope so!

I think most people will turn it off the instant they first fire up their PC- EVEN ON TABLETS! I really don't think people need to revert to being a toddler that needs a gigantic pop-up ad to launch their apps just because they use a touch or pen-enabled interface.

As much as I hate to reply with single words:

Whoosh.
 

yinan

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Ugh. It's official- at least half of the tech world has completely lost their freakin' minds.

Installed it today on an ancient AMD 939-based spare PC I have at work with dual 24" monitors. The good news: it ran very fast and was snappy even on such old hardware. (But then again, so does Windows 7). Install was very quick.


But then the bad news.

The whole 'metro' UI baloney is nothing more than the equivalent of a popup ad in place of a logical start menu, with fugly blocks of color showcasing crapware-level garbage of the sort most people uninstall off their PC on day one.

On a real system, and given the option, I'd uninstall half of this garbage- including metro- and just keep the traditional tried and true desktop interface.

And by the way, no I don't buy the BULLCRAP that average non-techy computer users are going to just fall over themselves in love with this crap. I asked people in my office today- perfect examples of the average non-tech users- to take a look and see what they thought. Most laughed at the sheer silliness of Metro. In fact, that was the first reaction of just about everyone who saw it, laughter. Because the whole concept is embarrassingly silly. It instantly insinuates that the user MUST be a total retard, and therefore needs a 10-foot brightly colored toddler interface in order to interact with their PC.

NO, sorry, I don't believe even novice users are really interested in having their computer interface make them seem like infantile retards. Now granted, many people don't know what they want in a computer- they just want to surf the web, write emails, etc, and don't think much about user interfaces. But that's half the problem- the interface itself is now IN YOUR FACE with the message "YOU MUST BE A SIMPLETON!" Even if people don't know exactly what they want in a computer interface, I'm pretty certain many know what they DON'T want.


The next common reaction I got was total confusion. (Yes, the wave of the future! Confusing the hell out of the user who is clearly too stupid to want anything other than to be confused.) Click the start menu- and you're greeted with the aforementioned 10-foot toddler interface pop up ad. Great. So there's a big block of wasted space that says 'START'. CLick there. Nothing, of course. So scan through a bunch of odd-sized tiles in what has to be one of the dumbest concepts for application launching/organization ever devised, until finally (maybe, maybe not) finding what you actually want. Click and you're greeted to yet another full-screen 'pop-up ad' equivalent that again wastes your screen real estate.

Then what? I watched several people click around all over the screen trying to find ANYTHING to interact with. How to turn the damn stupid full screen pop-up 'app' off? Who knows? After much clicking and dicking around, a few people actually found the 'hidden' start menu (another BRILLIANT INNOVATION!) and got back to the original full screen pop-up ad (IE: metro or what-ever-the-hell.)

My first thought, and the same of several other people I witnessed, was "Why the hell do I have to click all over the screen- this corner, that place, this area over here, this over there, under here, over there..." to do what I'd normally do from just ONE AREA??

Sorry, even on a tablet I'd hate that.

Click desktop, and suddenly sanity is restored. The computer works like an adult's computer again. As long as the pop-up ad 'metro' nonsense stays out of the picture, things are pretty nice. More confusion: click on IE from the sane interface and suddenly IE opens the way you'd expect it to. So now we have IE for sane computer users AND an IE for the 10-foot toddler interface crowd? Eh, something for everyone I guess.

I thought I was going to hate the ribbon-windows, but since you can collapse them, I actually like the idea. That feature certainly shows promise for being very useful.

Then the real fun- after it took me several minutes of trying, I had to see how long it would take Joe or Jane 'Average' to figure this mind-teaser out: TURN THE COMPUTER OFF.

Let's see: Start? Nope. Back to pop-up ad land. The big 'START'? Nope? Click around all over the screen-- nope, nope. nope. nope. Opps- open up some full screen crapware. Figure out once more how to turn that off again. Back to desktop. Click around- we know it isn't start... nope. nope. nope. nope. nope.

Okay, back to start: finally find the place where you can click 'Log out'- do that. Log out. Click around... something starts to open on the logoff screen- click- nope, it's closed again. Click again- opens- click- closed. Click- wait for it to open- FINALLY you can find yet another area of the screen where you can click to SHUT DOWN.

<sarcasm>WOW! Innovative! My mother simply can't wait for this amazing level of intuitiveness!</sarcasm>

Now, maybe there's some other way to find shut-down, but I didn't bother looking, and no one else found it. A few people didn't even find the above 'major innovative!' way.

And yeah, I realize it's an early preview. A lot will change in the final. But come on. The whole metro direction is pure crap. It's just taking the start menu and making it into full-screen bloat- taking what used to take the flick of your wrist (scrolling up the start menu) and bloating it into having to dick around all over the screen.) At best, it will be a little like using Windows Media Center to launch all applications. Now, WMC in current form makes sense because it's a 10-foot interface. You're supposed to use it from halfway across the room on a huge HDTV screen. But using it for the main Windows launcher on a desktop you're seated right in front of is silly.

I hope the focus on the stuff that is actually cool- faster speed, improvements to explorer, etc. and tone down the metro crap. I've heard it said that we'll be able to turn it off- I sure as hell hope so!

I think most people will turn it off the instant they first fire up their PC- EVEN ON TABLETS! I really don't think people need to revert to being a toddler that needs a gigantic pop-up ad to launch their apps just because they use a touch or pen-enabled interface.

Agree 100%
 
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Ugh. It's official- at least half of the tech world has completely lost their freakin' minds.

The problem with that huge post is that this is a developer preview, it's not even a beta. There is still plenty that will change and plenty more that needs to be implemented still.

I kinda feel bad for Microsoft because people like yourself just don't understand and immediately make snap judgments based on an incomplete build of code that's not even directed towards you, yet I guarantee (based on your post) that you'll carry this judgment with you for a very, very long time.
 

Dahak

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The problem with that huge post is that this is a developer preview, it's not even a beta. There is still plenty that will change and plenty more that needs to be implemented still.

Yes that is true, this is not really a beta but a dev preview that is focused on the metro ui more so Microsoft can get developers started building apps for it so when it does come out that there will be something out there.

I had posted this initially because I know some people where interested in looking at the Metro UI

Also found this on the link above

Want to know how to disable the Metro UI? You need to go digging in the registry. Go to:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\

Change the value of RPEnabled from 1 to 0.
 

Andrmgic

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You can still run any program that's part of windows or installed by just typing..

Hit the window button and start typing, just like you used to. It will start an app search.. if you're not looking for an app, click where it says settings or files on the right.. it works just as well as before, if not better.

If you're on a touch device and want to get back to start without using the keyboard, swipe in from the right side of the screen.. you should see the "charm" menu with a start button in the middle.

On a normal PC, move your mouse cursor to the bottom left-hand corner of the screen and click start there.

The longer I use it, the more I enjoy it.. I like the ribbon in explorer a lot.. which is something I didn't expect.
 

yinan

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I do not want my start menu to take up the whole freaking screen which is what it now essentially does with the Metro UI.

And it is ugly.

Instead of deporting the Mexicans we should punish them by making them use Windows 8 all day, but then again that would be banned by the Constitution as cruel and unusual punishment.
 

finbarqs

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Stick with Windows 7. Since Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with Metro. Or, Move to OSX... which is SLOWLY becoming iOS anyways. But we would rather use iOS than Metro OS right?
 
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