Windows Vista

[Geforcer]

If I have to replace my brand new 21" I just bought with a Digital Content Protection (HDCP) compatible monitor just so I can see copy protected stuff on my PC, then forget it. I'll stick with XP. Seems microsoft is sticking their noses where it don't belong if you ask me. Other than that, it looks like a nice OS. I especially like the instant-on feature. But I watch the majority of my DVD's on my PC because I have a better sound system on it then on my tv, so it just won't be worth the hassle upgrading if HDCP is used.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Geforcer
If I have to replace my brand new 21" I just bought with a Digital Content Protection (HDCP) compatible monitor just so I can see copy protected stuff on my PC, then forget it. I'll stick with XP. Seems microsoft is sticking their noses where it don't belong if you ask me. Other than that, it looks like a nice OS. I especially like the instant-on feature. But I watch the majority of my DVD's on my PC because I have a better sound system on it then on my tv, so it just won't be worth the hassle upgrading if HDCP is used.

I'm afraid you've been fed a whole bunch of mis-information. To watch hi-def video you will need a new monitor otherwise the image will be downgraded to about the same as current dvd-quality. But this is not a Vista issue, it's something the motion picture industry fought for (and MS fought against). Apple, MS, Linux (etc) all have the same issue if they want to have (legal) players on those platform for the content.

Worst case, the content will play the same on Vista as on XP.

Bill

 

[Missing Ghost]

I have plans to upgrade to vista around 2009.
I won't upgrade if there is too much DRM.

 

[Geforcer]

Originally posted by: bsobel
I'm afraid you've been fed a whole bunch of mis-information. To watch hi-def video you will need a new monitor otherwise the image will be downgraded to about the same as current dvd-quality. But this is not a Vista issue, it's something the motion picture industry fought for (and MS fought against). Apple, MS, Linux (etc) all have the same issue if they want to have (legal) players on those platform for the content.

Worst case, the content will play the same on Vista as on XP.

Bill

From all the places Ive read about it at, it'll play but the picture will be fuzzy. So is it DVD quality, or fuzzy? Also, how can MS be forced into implementing this by a non-government organization such as The Motion Picture Industry? I'm not saying your wrong, just curious

 

[bsobel]

From all the places Ive read about it at, it'll play but the picture will be fuzzy. So is it DVD quality, or fuzzy? Also, how can MS be forced into implementing this by a non-government organization such as The Motion Picture Industry? I'm not saying your wrong, just curious

They (the industry) control the encryption keys required to create a content player (that is why XP didn't ship with a DVD player and you had to buy a third party one). Remember, it is there content and they control who can access/play it. This doesn't mean you couldn't create your own HD content and play it on existing monitors, just the new HDCP protected content.

Arstechnica article on it....

 

[Rottie]

If I decided to upgrade, can I upgrade from XP OEM to Vista?

 

[Canterwood]

I'd assume support for Win2000 will be phased out well before XP.

You'll probably find that when Vista is released support for XP SP1 will be stopped, leaving only XP SP2/SP3 and Vista for a few years.

I still don't have a compelling reason to upgrade from 2K to XP tbh, so I can't imagine I'll be switching to Vista to start with.
Probably go XP SP2 until the worst of the bugs are patched.

 

[Digobick]

Originally posted by: Geforcer
From all the places Ive read about it at, it'll play but the picture will be fuzzy. So is it DVD quality, or fuzzy? Also, how can MS be forced into implementing this by a non-government organization such as The Motion Picture Industry? I'm not saying your wrong, just curious

DVD quality is fuzzy if you've ever watched a good HD broadcast.

Originally posted by: Rottie
If I decided to upgrade, can I upgrade from XP OEM to Vista?

Yes.

Originally posted by: Canterwood
I'd assume support for Win2000 will be phased out well before XP.

You'll probably find that when Vista is released support for XP SP1 will be stopped, leaving only XP SP2/SP3 and Vista for a few years.

I still don't have a compelling reason to upgrade from 2K to XP tbh, so I can't imagine I'll be switching to Vista to start with.
Probably go XP SP2 until the worst of the bugs are patched.

Windows 2000 support ended June 30th, 2005. However, critical updates will still be released until June 30th, 2010.

For Windows XP, mainstream support will end two years after Windows Vista is released (which would make it September 2008?). Critical updates will still be issued for another five years after that (September 2013?).

 

[Digobick]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
One thing for sure is that Vista will have "call home" capabilities that will make the Win XP's ones look like a joke.
And if someone asks me for proof, well just wait and see how things will be like when Vista comes out.

Good grief, where do all these conspiracy theories come from?

Do you honestly think Microsoft would monitor keystrokes, downloaded files, or any other such nonsense? Most governments wouldn't allow it, mainly because they run the same operating system on their sensitive computers.

The only extra "calling home" that Vista will be doing is for Anti-Spam updates (Windows Defender), Anti-Virus updates (Windows Defender), and Anti-Phishing updates (Internet Explorer). All of which can easily be turned off.

 

[Rottie]

no one seem tohave the answer my question anymore

 

[Away]

I'm not ready for it because Windows 2000 is working for me just fine. When my hardware stops working on 2000 (after upgrades or whatever) I will take a look at stepping up to the most stable version of Windows at that time. Plus from what I have seen on it so far, it isn't much different than XP. Well, offside of the pretty OS X type theme.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Rottie
no one seem tohave the answer my question anymore

I already answered it. Vista is will be available for both the 32bit and 64bit platforms.

 

[Link19]

Good grief, where do all these conspiracy theories come from?

Do you honestly think Microsoft would monitor keystrokes, downloaded files, or any other such nonsense? Most governments wouldn't allow it, mainly because they run the same operating system on their sensitive computers.

The only extra "calling home" that Vista will be doing is for Anti-Spam updates (Windows Defender), Anti-Virus updates (Windows Defender), and Anti-Phishing updates (Internet Explorer). All of which can easily be turned off.

So you're telling me that Microsoft is now going to include built in AntiVirus in their OS? And now there will be little to no competition from third AntiVirus softwares because MS will once again buil another important feature in their OS. That figures. I'd trust a high reliable and quality third party AV product before I'd trust M$ to protect my PC.

I have heard rumors and even seen proof that Windows Update collects information about all the software you have installed on your PC. I have also heard rumors about spyware included with WMP. I remember when installing Windows XP prior to SP2 being slipstreamed, if you ran Ad-Aware and Spybot on a clean install of Windows XP SP1 (this is before I even connected to the Internet), Ad-Aware would detect something suspicious called Alexa and Spybot would find 5 DSO exploits. Again, these suspicious registry entries were found on a CLEAN INSTALL of WIndows before it was even plugged into the network or connected to the Internet!! That should demonstrate proof that this isn't all FUD and there is some truth to MS invading customer privacy.

Read these articles below to find out why I and many others are concerned about MS spying on you.

I don't know if it is all true, but is something to think about.

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=30017&redir=1&rl=1

http://www.futurepower.net/microsoft.htm

http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php

 

[bsobel]

I have heard rumors and even seen proof that Windows Update collects information about all the software you have installed on your PC. I have also heard rumors about spyware included with WMP.

Please post your proof (you cant, your lieing again, and I'll continue to call you on it each time you do).

I remember when installing Windows XP prior to SP2 being slipstreamed, if you ran Ad-Aware and Spybot on a clean install of Windows XP SP1 (this is before I even connected to the Internet), Ad-Aware would detect something suspicious called Alexa

The Alexa toolbar was shipped with IE, Spybot decided to call it spyware. I suggest you google more about it.

and Spybot would find 5 DSO exploits. Again, these suspicious registry entries were found on a CLEAN INSTALL of WIndows before it was even plugged into the network or connected to the Internet!! That should demonstrate proof that this isn't all FUD and there is some truth to MS invading customer privacy.

Wow, amazingly stupid. Do you know what the definition of an exploit is? Yes, there was a bug and these registry keys needed to be changed. Of course they exist when you do an early install of XP, that was before they were changed. How you think that is any proof of your lies is beyond me.

I don't know if it is all true, but is something to think about.

For someone who doesn't know, you sure seem to post like you do.

 

[Link19]

Wow, amazingly stupid. Do you know what the definition of an exploit is? Yes, there was a bug and these registry keys needed to be changed. Of course they exist when you do an early install of XP, that was before they were changed. How you think that is any proof of your lies is beyond me.

So sure it was a bug? Where is the proof it was a bug or an honest Microsoft mistake? So you happen to work for MS? You really seem to stand by them and believe they are an honest company who does everything that is in their customers' best interests. I don't believe that for one bit that M$ takes their customers' best interests at heart. All M$ cares about is making the most money it can by destroying any potential threatening competition to their dominance and bottom line.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Link19

Wow, amazingly stupid. Do you know what the definition of an exploit is? Yes, there was a bug and these registry keys needed to be changed. Of course they exist when you do an early install of XP, that was before they were changed. How you think that is any proof of your lies is beyond me.

So sure it was a bug? Where is the proof it was a bug or an honest Microsoft mistake? So you happen to work for MS? You really seem to stand by them and believe they are an honest company who does everything that is in their customers' best interests. I don't believe that for one bit that M$ takes their customers' best interests at heart. All M$ cares about is making the most money it can by destroying any potential threatening competition to their dominance and bottom line.

Why don't you explain to all of us what DSO stands for, what the exploits where, and what the resolution was. Since you know nothing about any of this, it should be entertaining.

As for standing by MS, I just dislike it when someone like you (read: a person with no truth or facts) simply posts lies about anything. Here in the OS forum, you enjoy doing that about Windows. We will continue to correct your lies when you post them.

 

[Link19]

DSO stands for Data SOurce Object. I don't knwo exactly what the exploit was a threat to, but just the fact that it was there was worrisome. If it was a Data SOurce Object exploit, would that be a threat of exploit through the DCOM service? Is that why the DCOM service was such a threat before SP2?

I never meant to say that there was for sure conrete proof that MS is really spying on people. What I menat to say was that it is a possibility and something many people are concerned about. Do you think all the MS spying on you speculation is all just unnecessary paranoia?

 

[Link19]

The Alexa toolbar was shipped with IE, Spybot decided to call it spyware. I suggest you google more about it.

Well, it was Microsoft's choice to include it in Internet Explorer as Microsoft made IE and bundled it with their OS. It wasn't necessary to include, but they did it anyway. The fact is, it collects your surfing habits. Do you not call that spying on people without their consent?

 

[bsobel]

The fact is, it collects your surfing habits. Do you not call that spying on people without their consent?

No, as this did not occur. The fact is, it reports your surfing habits back to Alexia if you OPT IN. That is no different from what the Google tool bar does. MS simply had a licensing deal to pre-deploy it, but not enable it by default.

 

[Gatecrusher]

Originally posted by: Digobick

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
One thing for sure is that Vista will have "call home" capabilities that will make the Win XP's ones look like a joke.
And if someone asks me for proof, well just wait and see how things will be like when Vista comes out.

Good grief, where do all these conspiracy theories come from?

Do you honestly think Microsoft would monitor keystrokes, downloaded files, or any other such nonsense? Most governments wouldn't allow it, mainly because they run the same operating system on their sensitive computers.

The only extra "calling home" that Vista will be doing is for Anti-Spam updates (Windows Defender), Anti-Virus updates (Windows Defender), and Anti-Phishing updates (Internet Explorer). All of which can easily be turned off.

How about this for a conspiracy theory?? __ The Government is in league with microsoft to spy on "terorists" meaning prety much anyone who catches theyr eye...

seriously tho the call home feture probably wont be too transperent so who will know what is realy being sent... I want to be in control as to what my comp is doing and randomly calling home feature is not one of the things I like. Instalation activation.. fine but why do I need to conect to MS every time I change my hardware?

Anyway I think MS is quite aware of teh fact that they'll need to bring more to the table than just a fancy 3d Graphical interface... If that wasnt true than we would all be still using win 98.
I gues we will haveto see when it comes out.

 

[Gatecrusher]

Originally posted by: bsobel

I have heard rumors and even seen proof that Windows Update collects information about all the software you have installed on your PC. I have also heard rumors about spyware included with WMP.

Please post your proof (you cant, your lieing again, and I'll continue to call you on it each time you do).

I remember when installing Windows XP prior to SP2 being slipstreamed, if you ran Ad-Aware and Spybot on a clean install of Windows XP SP1 (this is before I even connected to the Internet), Ad-Aware would detect something suspicious called Alexa

The Alexa toolbar was shipped with IE, Spybot decided to call it spyware. I suggest you google more about it.

and Spybot would find 5 DSO exploits. Again, these suspicious registry entries were found on a CLEAN INSTALL of WIndows before it was even plugged into the network or connected to the Internet!! That should demonstrate proof that this isn't all FUD and there is some truth to MS invading customer privacy.

Wow, amazingly stupid. Do you know what the definition of an exploit is? Yes, there was a bug and these registry keys needed to be changed. Of course they exist when you do an early install of XP, that was before they were changed. How you think that is any proof of your lies is beyond me.

I don't know if it is all true, but is something to think about.

For someone who doesn't know, you sure seem to post like you do.

Man I'm quite suprised on how vehemently your defending the MS.. I personaly dont believe all the conspiracy theories myself but I haveto ask....

HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING U?

 

[bsobel]

seriously tho the call home feture probably wont be too transperent so who will know what is realy being sent...

Anyone and everyone with a debugger and sniffer. Trust me, this is checked all the time. While the US has pretty lax privacy laws, the EU does not. If MS was doing half the stuff they are being accused of, the OS wouldn't be able to be sold in most european countries.

I want to be in control as to what my comp is doing and randomly calling home feature is not one of the things I like. Instalation activation.. fine but why do I need to conect to MS every time I change my hardware?

The only reason you might connect to MS on a hardware change is to check WU for drivers (and that is configurable). Not sure where you heard anything else but that, but it's not true (unless your thinking of the case where you need to reactive, but that isn't after every hardware change)

 

[bsobel]

Man I'm quite suprised on how vehemently your defending the MS.. I personaly dont believe all the conspiracy theories myself but I haveto ask.... HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING U?

Nothing, I don't work for MS, I compete with them. Some background since you are fairly new around here, Link19 has been posting incorrect information or plain non-factual information since he joined. Straight out misinformation like "The way MS is, it is likely they will try and force everyone to upgrade only a couple of months after Vista is released" needs to be answered with truth otherwise other new users may believe it.

Bill

 

[Rottie]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Rottie
no one seem tohave the answer my question anymore

I already answered it. Vista is will be available for both the 32bit and 64bit platforms.

no you didn't answer my question..my question again is...

If I decided to upgrade, can I upgrade from XP OEM to Vista?

 

[Humble Magii]

Vista or Longhorn is available 32bit and 64bit the betas have been anyways and expect it to be 32bit and 64bit at release as well. I have a feeling however 32bit will be the standard preinstalled OS at dell and many others though even with a 64bit CPU due to applications and driver support.

I would like to see 64bit preinstalled on machines sold by dell and the other large retailers so that driver support is more abundant. XP64 bit isn't that bad it's very responsive it lacks drivers though for the end user mainstream gear.