Wiring a House

SkuLLyRT

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Hey all.

My parents just moved into a new house, and are in need of the house being wired up for internet access. Wireless is out of the question as the distance between the master bedroom (where the cable modem is located) and the other 4 bedrooms are too great (I had about 40-60% connection in the other 4 rooms when I was testing out my neighbors Netgear wireless equipment, and while this might be fine for my family's email needs, it's not gonna float my gaming boat when I come back from school in the summer ).

So I was hoping you all could give me some tips/tricks for wiring a house up. I'm going to be picking up 1000' of cat5e from Home Depot, as well as the faceplates / rj45 caps that I need. My friend is providing me with a crimper as well as a line tester.

I was in our houses crawlspace (so scary down there ), and I noticed that I could prolly try to run a line of staples along the insulation under the floor and put the cabling there. Would I need to put the cable inside PCV pipe or anything? It's been raining out here for the past couple days, and it's still pretty dry under the house.

The master bedroom is on one side of the house, and the other 4 bedrooms are on the other side in a line, with a bathroom between rooms 1 and 2, and the 4th one being a FROG (if that makes any sense to you all).

I'll try to make a diagram or something if I can find a host, but until then, any of your tips / ideas on how I should go about doing this are greatly appreciated. Also, what router should I purchase? I've had pretty bad experiences with both Linksys (always turning itself off) and Netgear (plain dying on me), so I'm open to ideas here too.

- Hip
 

Mucman

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I wired the house where I live at over a year and half ago... So far everything is going good and I am still maintaining 70-80Mbps on my LAN connections.

You need to dedicate an area for where all wires will be terminated (a patch panel would be a good idea). From there try to get all the wires to a good distribution area. For me it was the attic (for you it sounds like the crawlspace). I got wires from an area in a crawlspace in the bottom floor through a closet on the 2nd floor into the attic. From there I got a start formation of cat5e going to several drops in the walls, where I put wall plates with RJ45 jacks on the walls.

I highly recommend that you do not staple the wires. That can cause impedence differences that will either ruin connection speeds or ruin it in the future.

I am using a 486/50 Freesco box with 8M RAM and a 40MB HD and it has been humming along for a year and a half without a hitch.
 

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For a pic host, head over to Pics.paulsonator.com. A diagram will definatly help us visualize the best mode of attack.

Is this a single story house? You're lucky if it is, that'll make wireing a little easier.

Can the cable modem be moved to a more convienent location in another room? Your parents may not want a router/hub/etc in their room.

As far as router reccomendations, I'd say netgear or linksys. Knock on wood I've not had a problem with either of mine. Sounds like you ran into a couple of bum routers
 

SkuLLyRT

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i'll work on a diagram tomorrow morning and have it up by the afternoon hopefully, gotta get ready for work right now.

don't have a bunk computer to dedicate to being a router, so i'll try netgear again. at least its metal chasis didn't shatter like the linksys when i stomped on it.
 

Mucman

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Who's computer are you calling bunk?

My bro got a digicam for Xmas... I'll see if I can borrow it to take some pics of my ghetto network
 

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I wired our house through the attic and down through the bathroom wall from the second story. I didn't mount any electrical boxes or anything, just very carefully cut the holes in the wall and mounted the wall plates directly to the drywall. This will work if you just install it and don't mess with it any more. Do yourself a favor and run 2 cat 5e's for everyone one that you have planned to run. This gives you plenty of room for expansion. I did this and sometimes I wish I would have ran one more because I use a switch on the far end now.
 

skyking

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two cables for each run is good, and as you have pointed out, three would have been better
you can leave them behind the plate, unterminated. If you bought a 1000 foot roll, you'll have plenty, and you will be glad for every extra run you pull in.
 

cmetz

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If this is a multi-story house, first and foremost, you need to figure out how you're going to get from one floor to the other. This is often hairy. You can wire second floor drops by going down from the attic, and you can wire first floor drops by going up from the basement (unless the basement is finished, then it's a lot more painful!). But getting from attic to basement... that's going to be a lot trickier.

The first place to look is for your heating plenum, which would carry air ducts from basement to attic. The main thing you need to be careful of when running anything in the plenum is FIRE safety. I would strongly suggest that if you choose to run through the plenum, you get plenum-rated cable (CMP), run it inside a closed conduit pipe, and to shove some rock wool or other fire retardant material to fill the ends of the pipe when done. This is a bit on the paranoid side, but think about it: do you want an express path for fire in the basement to climb into your attic?

Anyway, the problem with plenums, as well as with trying to run in a wall from one floor to the next, is that there are usually solid barriers at the floor/ceiling level. So for example, your plenum often has floorboard material in its volume and cut outs only just big enough for the ducts, with metal plates covering up any excess. Then they shove in fire retardant material. For fire code reasons, the plenum often has such barriers at every floor, so there would be a floorboard+metal barrier between basement and 1st floor, another betwen 1st floor and 2nd floor, and another between 2nd floor and attic. The first and third of those aren't hard to cut into if you have access to the attic and basement, but the middle one will be a huge pain because it'll be maybe 9 to 11 feet away from the points where you could access it. You'll probably have to cut into the drywall thereabouts and patch when done. If you want to try going through a wall from attic to basement, the game is very similar to what I just described for the plenum, except that you'll mostly be going through wood, BUT you have to watch out for walls that don't actually align, wires such as power lines in the walls, and insulation on outside walls.

Moral of this story? For getting from basement to attic, if you don't know what you're doing, it might be worth it to get an electrician to do it. They're used to it.

Now, the drops are a ton easier. What I would suggest you do is go down to your local Home Depot and get the blue conduit tube and the PVC boxes that can be snapped together with the tube. Get a drill bit for cutting out holes that's a little bit bigger than the tube's outer diameter. Also get a bunch of stuff for patching drywall, you're going to be doing a lot of that, spackle, touch-up paint, sanding blocks, etc.

First thing you need to do is to try hard to figure out where the actual electrical power wires in your walls are. They're pretty much either going to be straight horizontal (outlet box to outlet box) or vertical (attic/basement to outlet box, OR up/down to a switch). The main ways you can try to figure this out are to take off the electrical faceplates and look around the wiring boxes for how things enter and leave, take a look above the wall in the attic and below the wall in the basement to see where vertical runs are, and toner sets. There are different kinds of toners you'd use for current-carrying power lines; the ones for finding circuit breakers work okay for this. (you also might want a low-voltage toner for the wiring job, while technically possible there are all sorts of things you have to be careful of if trying to use them on power wiring and so if you have to ask... don't try that!).

This assumes the original electrician was pretty neat about the job, which luckily is common (it's also easy to do it this way). The key here is that you want to avoid current-carrying power wires like the plague when running low-voltage wires. At the least, they're a bit bad for signal quality, at the most, you can electrocute yourself and/or mess up your electrical wiring if you screw up while working near power wires. Oh, and figure out what's on what breaker, so you can turn off the electricity near the wall you're working in!

Okay, so now that you have a pretty good idea of where the power wires are, it's time to tear up your wall.
Find a spot you want a wall box. Make sure there's no electrical boxes or wires really close by. If you don't mind appearances, you could try putting your network boxes about 6" higher than the level of the electrical outlets on 2nd floor runs and 6" lower on basement runs, this makes it a lot easier to avoid the horizontal power lines. Now, find the closest stud with your trusty stud finder, and figure out which side of the stud you want the box on. Move out from the stud a little bit and oh so carefully cut into the drywall. If you feel like you're cutting into something that's not drywall -- stud, wire, pipe, or who knows -- STOP! If all is well, though, you should be able to cut a small hole, enough to just barely shove the box through. But don't do that yet! Go to the attic or basement end, locate the same stud you were working next to (a way to do so would be to measure from a landmark in the room and then again at basement/attic, but be careful as this is can be very deceiving). Move to the same side of that stud and drill a small hole down. Hopefully you should be able to see light through. Tie a small weight to a line (fishing line works great, or you could use fish tape here), and drop it down the hole... and see if you can find it back in the room through the hole you cut in the drywall. This step is important, make sure you've got the hole in the drywall and the hole in the top/bottom of the wall in rough alignment before you make those holes bigger!

Okay, NOW drill out the hole up top/bottom and shove the conduit pipe down through it. Snap the snap-thread connector onto the end of the conduit, attach the box to the stud (uhhh... I don't know a good way to do this retrofit, I've always done it pre-drywall... talk to the friendly Home Depot guys about this!), stick the snap-thread connector into the hole in the box, screw the nut over the threads to hold it in place... and you have a box and conduit. Yaaay!

Now pull wire through the conduit, and make sure you've got a good bit of extra wire. Do your faceplate terminations in the room and on the other end of the wires, then carefully pull the wires back through the conduit, thus "sucking" the faceplate into the wall box. You'll probably have to finger-feed some wires back into the conduit and play with it to get it all in place. I've found that it's easier to have almost no slack in the boxes and some slack in the attic or basement.

For a retrofit job, my expectation is that you're going to have a lot of trouble getting from attic to basement, so you're probably best off doing as many riser runs as you can manage and then putting a patch panel and/or switch in both attic and basement and interconnecting them on the risers. If you don't have electricity in your attic, that would definitely make putting a switch up there more challenging. Oh, and be very careful putting any live equipment into your attic, again the whole fire safety thing. But anyway, if you have ultimate flexibility you would want to home-run every drop to one central patch panel, but if you can only get a couple of cables basement to attic, you need to make the most of those cables.

Other notes... the quality of tools you have makes a huge difference. But if this is the one wiring job you think you'll ever do, then it probably isn't worth spending lots of $$ on tools. This is again where you need to compare with hiring a professional to do some of the work, because they've got tools and have done it before, while you haven't. For harder parts of the job like the risers, it might really be worth it to just pay somebody. Still, it's a great experience to have done it yourself and learned, I don't want to discourage, only to make sure you do what's sane.

I've done a good bit of wiring in my time but am solidly an amateur, so don't take any of this as gospel, just my advice based on what I've done. Make good friends with the electrical and drywall guys at your local Home Depot and they'll give you lots of free ideas and hints about how to do that stuff.
 

cmetz

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Oh, forgot something.

If you want to make things a lot easier to wire and don't care too much about appearance, you could do surface-mount boxes and conduit for your drops. Those install over top of the drywall, and are very very visible (con), but you can sidestep most of the issues about having to worry about electrical wires and pipes and screwing up your studs and drywall. If you only have a small number of runs this might not be so bad.
 

skyking

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Conduit and boxes attached to studs ar best done pre-drywall as pointed out above. In an existing structure, wires can be fished between floors, and there is nifty plate attachment that fits into a hole in the drywall, and give you a place to screw the modular plate to. The ones I use are caddy fasteners, from Erico.
Using 2,4, or 6 gang modular plates, you can install cable coax, phone, and data at the same location, and a 6 gang plate can serve as a poor-mans patch panel, located at the switch or hub.
edit: these things are really fast to use, and do not depend on studs at all. They act as a template for cutting, and can be installed with a makita after bending the tabs.
Link to leviton's home and office pdf. Click on voice and data, and select the home and office pdf for examples of the snap in plates and parts. These are available at home depot. Leviton
 

cmetz

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skyking, those caddy plates are a great idea. I've never seen those before, but I'll definitely be looking at those if I end up having to run more wires (fingers crossed).

The reason I like -- and suggested -- conduit is that inevitably the hole you cut on top/bottom of the wall and the hole you cut in the drywall in the room don't line up, and often by a lot. Once you can get a conduit into place, running wires between the two holes becomes simple. And inevitably you find that you need just one more wire somewhere, and soooooo.... but I do heartily agree with you that it's dramatically easier to do before drywall. Every time I've done conduit has been. But I wouldn't give up my conduit for anything, it's just such a huge win it's amazing, and so if it's not dramatically more painful to do retrofit I'd still look into it.

For faceplates, I like Ortronics TrackJack faceplates. The Leviton ones are conceptually very similar to the TJ faceplates and I'm sure that buying Leviton from Home Depot would be a whole lot cheaper, not to mention easier. The Ortronics stuff has way more choices available, especially in the rarer/more exotic stuff. For example, being able to get faceplates and connectors in different colors can be very handy (especially having separate choices for white and off-white).

My own personal weird jack issue is that whatever faceplate/jack system I'm using, if I plan on ever being able to run speaker runs (hint to everyone, running speaker wire is very handy, you'd be surprised), I want there to be an option to get speaker binding posts, which are in my book the One True Speaker Connector. I don't want to hook up speakers with spring clips or with RCAs, those just don't work for me. Binding posts turn out to be a bit rare in the various multimedia modular faceplate systems. This is what made me like the TrackJack system, they have real, gold-plated binding posts. Yaaay.

I've found that more than double-gang faceplates become pretty unweildly. Too many wires, too many connectors. Not having a box behind would probably make it better, but I would personally not recommend exceeding double gang. I like to do double-gang boxes with one side being "digital" (twisted pair) and one side being "analog" (coax and/or speaker). Where possible, the two go in separate conduits and are spaced in the attic/basement, and so the closest they get is in the terminating box. Note to everyone: keep your twisted pair away from everything else for best quality, and especially keep it away from amplified speaker wire (and/or use properly grounded shielded speaker wire, which is what I normally do).

For patching, a slightly wasteful but surprisingly handy way to do multimedia patching is to lay out your patch setup exactly the same as the faceplates. With TrackJack, there are rack-mount panels that take the same modules as the faceplates, so I basically just put some tape divider lines vertically on those panels and built my panels' terminations to look exactly the same as the faceplates in the rooms. This is a big win for keeping it all straight, I can look at my patch panel and see things exactly as I'd see them on the drop box, instead of having to use a magic decoder chart which hopefully is correct. With some other system, you could probably do exactly the same thing by putting a bunch of faceplates next to each other in a grid, each one being a mirror of a drop faceplate. This whole scheme is highly wasteful of patch panel/closet/wall real-estate, but it's dramatically easier to keep things straight, especially when you're doing multi-media (UTP, coax, speaker, etc.). If the original poster wanted to do something like this, he could literally start with a piece of thin wood, (plywood maybe?), cut holes for all the faceplates to fit in some grid pattern, and go. Then cut one big hole in a wall and pull all the cables through to this "panel." Or just put this "panel" in an attic or basement.
 

SkuLLyRT

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lol, i meant no offense to your 486 router. by bunk computer, i simply meant that i don't have a computer of lower specs that i'd like to dedicate to the job. mebbe i'll travel to a used computer store and pick one up though, as the idea of going with netgear or linksys again makes my eyes twitch.

ok, so no blueprints or anything just yet. but mebbe this will help.

(...............................................) Bedroom 1
Master Bedroom ------------------> Bathroom
(...............................................) Bedroom 2
(...............................................) Bedroom 3
(...............................................) Bedroom 4 (over garage)

weak diagram, but its a one story house. master bedroom is on the opposite side of the house from the other rooms, which are more or less just lined up.

i did just get out of the attic, and it looks like i can easily do some wire drops into each room from the attic. bedroom 4's closet space is even connected to the attic (easy wire job there ).

i've done lots of touch up / patching jobs on walls (as i was an angry lil kid ), so no worries there.

i've got enough wire to do 3 runs per room, so i guess i'll do that as recommended.

i have yet to check the electrical wiring scheme going on in the house, so i guess i'll hop on that next. is 6" away from electrical wiring enough?

i'm gonna assume that a conduit is like the lil box that you find behind electrical sockets with all the wires and stuff in it? this would in turn stablize the face place and keep it from moving around on the wall right?

while i'm up in the attic i'll take a look around and see if there is a nice space up there to throw a router. as so much stuff to do. this is much harder than it was to wire my ghetto frat's house, where we just punched big holes in the walls and drilled through the ceilings. wires everywhere, and we don't care.

thanks for the advice thus far, i'll keep you updated on what i find.

- SkuLLy
 

her209

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I would put a switch near the 4 bedrooms. You parents' thumping might cause it to screw up.
 

skyking

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lol, i meant no offense to your 486 router
none taken
Hey, they are not for everybody. It is a geek thing, it takes some time to set up, maintain, and you can have it pretty messed up if you misconfigure it. Now that mine is configured, it works as seamlessly as a hardware firewall/router, and restarts itself after power outages, etc., just like a hardware solution.
Things like opening up and forwarding ports take a little time and knowledge. that is probably the biggest downside for me, if I want to run an app that needs special access. There is no 'quick and dirty" gui tool, I have to go edit a file manually, after sshing, su, etc. and do a reboot.
 

cmetz

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Conduit is a fancy name for pipe and/or tubing. The stuff I'm talking about in particular is flexible, which is important because you're unlikely to get your top and face holes to line up. They have a system at Home Depot whereby you can get a junction box with punch-out holes, into the holes fits a connector with screw threads on one end and snaps on the other, and the snaps grab onto the ribbings in the conduits and really don't let go. You stick the connector into the hole in the box, screw a big nut on the threads, and you have an interlocked and closed system. What all this buys you is that now pulling the actual wire is very easy, and if in the future you want to replace the wire, that's easy too. What this costs you is that it's going to be more work up front than just doing the wires. In particular, I really don't quite know how to get the box fixed to the stud as a retrofit. Talk to the Home Depot guys about this whole plan. (obviously, clue-filter the guys there first, there's usually one guy who really knows his stuff and several... other guys).

With electrical wiring, farther away is better, but you're going to find that it's just hard to avoid it. Do the best you can within reason. 6" should be plenty. Also, btw, if you have to cross over an electrical wire, try to do so as perpendicular as possible (IN THEORY twisted pair can completely cancel the noise from that).

Don't put a PC in your attic. Pull a run down to some closet, or the basement. Small switches would probably be okay, but big things that draw lots of power and have more points of failure aren't such a good idea. Attics, fire, bad. But I'm a PC router user myself and second the idea, just make sure you know what you're doing there.
 

SrASpeedRacer

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I would wire all 5 bedrooms to a central point and mount a 6 port faceplate or a Patch Pannel. Then just hook up a switch and you will be good to go.

Tip on saving money:
If you want to run two jacks to the same face plate you only need to run 1 Cat5 cable.
For the first jack use the Oranges and greens and for the second jack the blues and browns.
 

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FWIW, I just ordered 1000' of Belkin CAT6 solid UTP from techonweb for $109. That's the best price I've come across.
 

Mucman

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Originally posted by: SrASpeedRacer
I would wire all 5 bedrooms to a central point and mount a 6 port faceplate or a Patch Pannel. Then just hook up a switch and you will be good to go.

Tip on saving money:
If you want to run two jacks to the same face plate you only need to run 1 Cat5 cable.
For the first jack use the Oranges and greens and for the second jack the blues and browns.

Not a good idea... you will suffer from with poor performance if you do that, unless done perfectly... it's not that expensive to run a couple runs... The costliest part is time, so if you are doing 1 run, you might as well do a 2nd.

 

SkuLLyRT

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so this is what i've got done so far.

all the electrical wires are located and 'marked', face plate areas have been marked off, and few holes to start the wire drops have been made in my attic.

i plan to go to home depot tomorrow and buy the wire / crimper / rj45 jacks / drywall saw / paint.

i will do 2 wire drops per room as suggested (unless someone can provide a really good reason to do more? ).

now i keep seeing 'patch panel', and i know what it looks like, but i'm kinda confused on how it works. someone have a useful link that they could point me too?

thanks much for all of your help thus far everyone!

(btw - nice pics mucman )

- SkuLLy
 

skyking

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A really good reason to do more: there are never enough runs! If you drop an extra, you can leave it behind the plate. wire is free, your time is not, relatively speaking. If you have to come back, you'll be bummed out. I use network printers, for example. A room has a desktop, and a network printer. A lappy comes to visit, and somebody has got to get unplugged.
Also, whenever I do one of these jobs, I rewire the phones into the same plates. If you have those old style surface mount rj11 phone boxes, it cleans up the rooms tremendously. this usually works OK, because the phone is a natural next to the computer.
Remember, you can also run the CATV along the same routes, into the same plates.
 

cmetz

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SrASpeedRacer, 1000BaseT (gigabit) requires all four pairs and will not work in a pair-split setup. Folks might not need this today, but in a world where Intel Pro 1000/MT boards can be had for $41 each and cheap ones are even cheaper than that, gigabit really is coming to the desktop.

ergeorge, you need to be very careful about "cat6" cable. I don't believe the EIA spec is ratified yet, though at this point it's not substantially changing. Many manufacturers have cables that complied with early drafts but not later drafts, or are simply fradulent in their labelling (everyone remember "SCSI-3"?). Be careful that you're getting something really better than over-cat5E if you're paying a lot more for it. As a practical matter, most of the cable manufacturers are trying to keep cat6 cables to themselves as a high-profit item, and so there's not much generic real cat6 out there yet. I don't think Belkin makes their own cables, don't know where they get them but wouldn't be surprised if it's some southeast asian manufacturer -- it's unlikely to be from one of the big boys in the cables business (e.g., Belden, Berk-Tek). $109 would be a very good buy for real cat6, and is a reasonable price for over-cat5E.

In any case, cat6 IS better, but not needed for 10/100 or for 1000BaseT. For the latter, my assessment (not an expert opinion but I did look into this) is that the terminations matter more than the cable as long as the cable is at least cat5. (The main thing 1000BaseT needs that 100BaseTX doesn't is low far end crosstalk, the specification of that being the difference between cat5 and cat5E)

SkuLLyRT, have you considered telephone? You might find that being able to run phone on extra cables is handy. That would be yet another reason to run extra cables. If you do this, make your own custom RJ45<->RJ11 adapter cables and use those. You CAN plug an RJ11 plug into the middle of a RJ45 jack, but it's not good for the RJ45 jack.

Another reason to do more runs is... what happens if you screw one up? Every time I do a lot of runs, I end up with one cable that got cut into along the way. It's not a really common occurrence, but it does happen. Do keep it in mind. This is yet another reason why you test.

Two wiring tools to consider getting from your Home Depot / Lowes (Ideal is the mfg to get btw).
1. Cable tester. In this case, it's two widgets with jacks, so you'll need some known good patch cables to test jacks in a wiring plants. These will tell you that everything's connected, and connected to what it's supposed to be. This is not the end-all test (more expensive cable testers do a LOT more), but it gets the most obvious problems for a low cost (ca. $50). Same tool works great if you make cables.
2. A tone generator and wand. These will let you figure out what cable in a bunch on one end matches a cable on the other end, so you can make jack one on a faceplate match jack one -- or whatever the next is in sequence -- on a panel. You can get around this if you have a multimeter with a continuity tester, build a RJ45 loopback plug by crimping a wire from pin 1 to pin 2 and putting it into a done jack on one end, and strip back the tips of the orange pairs on the other and put the probes onto the pairs one at a time until you get a beep. Toners are very handy though. Toners will set you back ca. $50 for the generator and wand.

Neither of these is absolutely critical, but handy. The thing with wiring jobs is that there are all sorts of tools that make it a lot easier, but they cost... so you have to balance.

If you want to see what patch panels look like, go to www.ortronics.com (more commercial/pro stuff) http://www.levitonvoicedata.com (more home/SOHO stuff). Home Depot I think carries Leviton connectors and wall plates, and maybe some patch panels. They also make these "Structured Media(tm)" SOHO enclosures with modules that are patch panels for data, video, telephone bars, etc. These are kinda expensive, but nice looking and easy to use, and if they're readily available at your hardware store they might be worth it.
 

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Incidentally, if you buy faceplates/jacks/panels etc. made by Leviton, they have very good technical and installation support on their 800 number. Their stuff is a bit expensive, but the support helps their value propsition, and you might not know about that.
 

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Originally posted by: cmetz

ergeorge, you need to be very careful about "cat6" cable. I don't believe the EIA spec is ratified yet, though at this point it's not substantially changing. Many manufacturers have cables that complied with early drafts but not later drafts, or are simply fradulent in their labelling (everyone remember "SCSI-3"?). Be careful that you're getting something really better than over-cat5E if you're paying a lot more for it. As a practical matter, most of the cable manufacturers are trying to keep cat6 cables to themselves as a high-profit item, and so there's not much generic real cat6 out there yet. I don't think Belkin makes their own cables, don't know where they get them but wouldn't be surprised if it's some southeast asian manufacturer -- it's unlikely to be from one of the big boys in the cables business (e.g., Belden, Berk-Tek). $109 would be a very good buy for real cat6, and is a reasonable price for over-cat5E.

Yea, I know CAT6 isn't ratified yet. And I don't need that capacity right now. But my wall are open now, so I'm trying to get the best I can before I put up the drywall. It's about $60 more then 1000' of CAT5E at Home Depot, so not a huge deal.

 
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