Women can't be on SWAT?

[kalrith]

to the same degree, we should make women register for the selective service. I hate double standard.

This. There's a reason that the Equal Rights Amendment never passed. People don't want equal rights with others; they want more rights. Truly equal rights would nullify all the extras and bonuses that "minorities" get (in quotes because white males are no longer the majority).

 

[destrekor]

There is factual evidence that, in general, the female brain deals with emotion and stress in a different way than the male brain. But that is a cut and dry approach, as many of both genders share "features" of the other sex's brain in various ratios, but far more common is a brain closer to that of the gender's norm.

Male brains are more focused on problem solving to deal with emotions and stress. Female brains are more apt to directly engage emotions and stress by focusing on the feeling, and taking it all in and using it. When women use those feelings, we men can find a LOT to dislike and fear. Just as women can absolutely hate when we get into our modes of management emotions and stress. Both are equally problematic, however, as one style of emotion management is complete aggression to push through the emotion/stress instead of other methods. Unchecked aggression based around some feelings can bring about a lot of problems in combat too. That's why individuals who have a brain that has some characteristics of both (regardless of which brain-type is more prominent in that person), are often far more capable in dealing with stressful time-critical tasks.

With that, women are largely in a lot of positions that requires seeing combat or having combat skills, but the Infantry and special units do not allow women to serve directly amongst their ranks. What research and reasoning these various services use to determine gender eligibility... who knows.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh, okay. I wasn't sure how much that stuff weighs overall. It just seemed like some people were referring to the weight a soldier would carry around which would be different from what a SWAT person would be carrying around.

In principle I would have no trouble with a woman trying out for a position, but what we've seen is a reduction in standards to accommodate them. That's not acceptable.

Set the bar high, and male or female gets in IF they pass. Going to be a real bear for the vast majority of people, as it should be.

 

[Ausm]

Women are less effective in combat when it's their time of the month!









.. don't quote me on that.

BS my Ex would rip your nuts off when she was riding the cotton pony.

 

[BudAshes]

I should do the same? Come over and you can throw on my tactical vest loaded with a couple level 4 plates and all the necessary equipment, then throw on a helmet and carry a fully loaded weapon and strap another one to your leg.... then let me know how you think a woman would handle it. I've seen women do it hundreds of times... and 99% of the time it's a joke. God forbid they have to enter a room a suspect has barricaded, or even worse climb over or up obstacles. It just doesn't work.

Too many movies? Sorry "bro"... I've been to multiple shooting and tactics schools, and all of them spent a great deal of time on things like carry techniques and exfiltration. As part of our standard kit we had ropes with carabiners on the end that could be used to throw to a downed teammate and attached to the carrying handle on his vest. Again, is the 125lb woman gonna pull the 250lb man to safety? Maybe in your movies I guess.

I love the fact that somehow all men weigh 250 and all women weight 125. There are woman that are a lot bigger than most men and if a woman is in good enough shape she will skip her cycle.

 

[BudAshes]

There isn't a 200lb woman in the world who has the physical strength and endurance to meet the requirements. It's just the way it is. God did it, not the LAPD. In the rare case that the 1 in a billion woman who can hang shows up and wants to be a part of it, then by all means let her in.

You ever watch the wnba? or seen the Williams sisters play tennis? There are plenty of women who could meet the requirements, but they are few enough that they can easily be more successful by sticking to female dominated fields.

 

[yllus]

I think the percentage of women who could qualify to be on a SWAT team would be much higher than those who would qualify to be a special forces soldier. Those are two pretty disparate roles. Both require above-average mental discipline, but with the longer term nature of engagement the soldier would have the difference in physiology between genders would start to take effect.

I'd have no problem with female SWAT team members on my city's force. I have no doubt that there are many capable of kicking open a door and going in shooting - as someone mentioned, their typically smaller physical profile would actually be an advantage. Doubt most would have much trouble dragging me out of the room or into cover either.

 

[PingSpike]

I don't see any reason they shouldn't be able too...provided they don't give them wuss standards and extra points like they pretty much always do. I mean, what is the point of those physical requirements for men if women don't have to meet them? Are they or are they not important to the task at hand?

 

[Minjin]

Let's be honest about the incident in the OP. She rounded the corner with weapon ready and was most likely surprised by the perp. I say this because it's been reported that a single bullet went through both legs, meaning that she wasn't squared up to the perp and was probably caught looking the wrong way. She responded with several shots of a larger caliber than he was using and still the shot placement wasn't good enough to kill him. She did a good job but it was nothing awe-inspiring. Granted, this is speculation because we don't know the whole story yet and I'm all for giving her accolades if she deserves it.

As for women in SWAT, I have no problems with it IFF they meet the same physical/performance standards as men. We all know that there is a percentage of women who could do this, though much smaller than the percentage of men. The problem is that it never works like that. The standards end up being much lower in order to encourage female participation. If there is an organization out there that allows women and has the same physical/performance standards for both, please let me know.

 

[JDawg1536]

You ever watch the wnba? or seen the Williams sisters play tennis? There are plenty of women who could meet the requirements, but they are few enough that they can easily be more successful by sticking to female dominated fields.

Yeah, and none of them would stand a chance against a man if an unarmed confrontation arose.

 

[TheVrolok]

I haven't had the pleasure yet. I'm all for equality. Hell, I wanna give birth and breast feed.... but god just didn't make me for that. I'm sure some women wanna join the special forces, but.....

This. I'm all for equality in the workplace in the vast, vast majority of situations. However, when it comes to special forces/SWAT I've gotta agree that women just don't belong. Could some women do it? Sure. But just based on physiology if you have an equal sized "elite" man and "elite" woman the man will be physically superior - that's just by design.

 

[JDawg1536]

I love the fact that somehow all men weigh 250 and all women weight 125. There are woman that are a lot bigger than most men and if a woman is in good enough shape she will skip her cycle.

A friend of mine did a lot of cqb in Iraq with spec ops, and there were two very specific requirements to be on the team. You have to be over 5'10, and have to weigh more than 200 pounds. It's relevant whether you like to think so or not.

Please show me any woman who is bigger than a man and in better shape than a man. If that's the case, the man probably wouldn't be big enough for a lot of jobs either. Just the same as I wouldn't want a 125 pound woman breaking down a barricade to rescue me, I wouldn't want a 150 pound man to either.