Women can't be on SWAT?

[JDawg1536]

I'm curious, which one are you guys going to use next? At least 3 of these were already used in this thread.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

So you're an armchair philosopher now too, huh? Which ones were used?

 

[karlchad]

wtf is this obscure website. FAIL.

 

[rh71]

I'm curious, which one are you guys going to use next? At least 3 of these were already used in this thread.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

I had someone here pull something like that to try to prove their point that I was wrong. That does no such thing except generalize. It is a last ditch effort to try and save yourself - it's very transparent. Use common sense here.

 

[Gillbot]

There were episodes of SWAT on I think A&E tv where there were women swat officers, I forget what area it was though.

 

[Demo24]

It's true. Women have all kinds of little mood swings and problems that can and will affect their decision making process. This is simply unacceptable when you are a part of the elite forces of the police or military. Everyone knows this.

You do realize men cycle as well on a roughly monthly schedule right? Might not be as pronounced as some women, but I know several women that don't have overly noticeable swings either.


In my view if they can pass similar requirements as males, then I see no reason to prevent them from doing as they please.

 

[DaWhim]

All I can say to that is hah!
I remember last year there was a discussion on this very topic and majority here said that women "freeze and start crying when they see dangerous situations" and I said that it's all about training, and you don't have to be a 250 lb man to be good with guns.

I know it's a tragedy and all, but this story disproves the misogynists who said women can't be trained for firefights.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599193644400

to the same degree, we should make women register for the selective service. I hate double standard.

 

[Regs]

I can see them being used as a distraction.....

 

[Regs]

You do realize men cycle as well on a roughly monthly schedule right? Might not be as pronounced as some women, but I know several women that don't have overly noticeable swings either.


In my view if they can pass similar requirements as males, then I see no reason to prevent them from doing as they please.

This will explain why I break out in Acne once a month.

 

[bignateyk]

As long as they can adhere to the same standards as men, then I have no problem with it, but they sure as hell shouldn't have lesser requirements for things like strength and endurance for women.

 

[actuarial]

simple answer-

imagine 2 scenarios where swat training is equal. top 10% of male Vs. top 10% female, who will win most physical challenges head to head?

mental type of challenges may be equal, but the physical, is no match.

therefore men generally are better at swat, special forces, etc.

But that's not the issue. This issue is you need the top people. So if you're looking for the top 10%, women should only be excluded if the 10th percentile male is better than the BEST female. If that's the case, then I agree women shouldn't be included. But they should not be automatically disqualified based on gender.

The average woman is a better cook than a man. Does that mean we shouldn't have male chefs?

 

[JTsyo]

And? How do you think 45lbs of gear is going to affect a 125lb woman? How do you think it's going to affect a 250lb man? A little different? What happens when a team member weighing 250lbs and wearing 45 pounds of gear goes down? Is the 125lb woman wearing 45lbs of gear going to drag him to safety? There are reasons they shouldn't be allowed, and they are good ones. Think with your head.

You're assuming the women that make it to SWAT would be 125lbs. What about the 200 lbs woman? I would think there would be plenty of women in the top part of the physical distribution curves that could meet the requirements for SWAT. I'm with those that say if they are qualified, don't let gender be the issue.

 

[JDawg1536]

You're assuming the women that make it to SWAT would be 125lbs. What about the 200 lbs woman? I would think there would be plenty of women in the top part of the physical distribution curves that could meet the requirements for SWAT. I'm with those that say if they are qualified, don't let gender be the issue.

There isn't a 200lb woman in the world who has the physical strength and endurance to meet the requirements. It's just the way it is. God did it, not the LAPD. In the rare case that the 1 in a billion woman who can hang shows up and wants to be a part of it, then by all means let her in.

 

[oddyager]

If they can handle the same training, the emotional and physical stress of the job, then I see no reason why women can't be considered.

 

[Brainonska511]

At a curiosity, are SWAT members carrying around 45lbs of gear? They're not operating out in the field - I would imagine they probably carry a weapon or two, a vest, a helmet, a light, and a few other things, but 45lbs?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Fail thread is fail.

It's physiology. If you don't like it, take it up with Darwin/God.

 

[JDawg1536]

At a curiosity, are SWAT members carrying around 45lbs of gear? They're not operating out in the field - I would imagine they probably carry a weapon or two, a vest, a helmet, a light, and a few other things, but 45lbs?

I was exaggerating to prove a point, but it's possible. Vest and armor up to 20-25 lbs alone. 5 pound weapon and a two pound weapon, two pound helmet.... that's between 30-35 right there, and that's just the bare essentials. Too many variables to put an exact number on it.

 

[SunSamurai]

Haha girls cant do a mans job.

Silly girls.

 

[Q]

It depends on the task at hand. Pulling a trigger doesn't require you to weigh 250 lbs.... you are correct.

qft, but a Navy SEAL on the other hand...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At a curiosity, are SWAT members carrying around 45lbs of gear? They're not operating out in the field - I would imagine they probably carry a weapon or two, a vest, a helmet, a light, and a few other things, but 45lbs?

45 lbs is nothing. A weapon or two, a vest, a helmet, a light and a few other things will weigh that much. A decent vest is 10 kg, and can be considerably more.

 

[Brainonska511]

45 lbs is nothing. A weapon or two, a vest, a helmet, a light and a few other things will weigh that much. A decent vest is 10 kg, and can be considerably more.

Oh, okay. I wasn't sure how much that stuff weighs overall. It just seemed like some people were referring to the weight a soldier would carry around which would be different from what a SWAT person would be carrying around.

 

[Agentbolt]

I want to join in on the conversation, but I'm waiting for Mosh to come in, tearfully call everyone claiming women can't do everything men can do a mysogonist, then run out of the thread flailing her arms before anyone can call her on it.

 

[JDawg1536]

I want to join in on the conversation, but I'm waiting for Mosh to come in, tearfully call everyone claiming women can't do everything men can do a mysogonist, then run out of the thread flailing her arms before anyone can call her on it.

I haven't had the pleasure yet. I'm all for equality. Hell, I wanna give birth and breast feed.... but god just didn't make me for that. I'm sure some women wanna join the special forces, but.....

 

[TheNinja]

There isn't a 200lb woman in the world who has the physical strength and endurance to meet the requirements. It's just the way it is. God did it, not the LAPD. In the rare case that the 1 in a billion woman who can hang shows up and wants to be a part of it, then by all means let her in.

While that may be true, there are some very strong women who are in great shape and are around 160-165 pounds. I can think of a few MMA women in particular.
Also, not every SWAT guy is 250 pounds either. I'd assume the ideal size for endurance and flexibility is probably 200 or so.
That being said, men are always physically stronger and stuff. I don't mind a women for a lot of weapons things, or snipers and such. But in close quarters where the threat of hand to hand is there, I think a man just has an advantage.

 

[Pacfanweb]

qft, but a Navy SEAL on the other hand...

There are no women SEAL's, either.

 

[JDawg1536]

While that may be true, there are some very strong women who are in great shape and are around 160-165 pounds. I can think of a few MMA women in particular.
Also, not every SWAT guy is 250 pounds either. I'd assume the ideal size for endurance and flexibility is probably 200 or so.
That being said, men are always physically stronger and stuff. I don't mind a women for a lot of weapons things, or snipers and such. But in close quarters where the threat of hand to hand is there, I think a man just has an advantage.

The task at hand will determine the size/specialty/team make up. If a woman wants to sit back and pull the trigger, no problem. If I'm being held hostage by two gunmen who have barricaded the door and I hear the SWAT team outside saying "Okay Barbara and Jenny, you take the point and bust down that door", you can bet I'll be a little pissed off.