WoW Battlegrounds next patch

[chowmein]

PvP is what makes this MMO awesome. the honor system and BG are things for L60s to do b/c it gets boring.

since BG is an instance-based PvP it's a brillant idea. it should clear up some lag issues and free up some of those PvP hot spots such as TM and STV.

for all your PvE-lovers that complain about people in your server hungry about HKs and Contribution pts... tough luck.

in any game, if you killed by either mobs or members of the opposite fraction, its nobody's fault but your own for being the weaker one.

and as for "ganking" that's just part of the game. if the they gank you and you're like 20 lvls lower, they don't get the honor pts. I killed a L20 horde and didn't get a HK, so i'm not even gonna bother wasting my mana on them.

 

[SP33Demon]

I'm on the same server as Gurck and love it. Maybe because the Alliance outnumber the Horde 3 to 1 on Icecrown. I heard that the Alliance did wipe out Tauren Mill and alot of the Undercity one night... if I was leveling and saw a town and capital city of mine wrecked, I'd be a little ticked. But life goes on... can't wait for BG.

 

[Quixfire]

I don't play on PvP because of the ganking problems in Southshore and Tarren Mills areas. I've been happy with PvE but the Honor system has changed the eviroment on these servers too. Check out the arena in STV on a weekend night and it's a high battlezone. But on PvP there still is excessive ganking in and around BB even thought the arena is there.

The problem is the lazy players the single out lone adventurers to ganked them and slowly raise their honor points.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Quixfire
I don't play on PvP because of the ganking problems in Southshore and Tarren Mills areas. I've been happy with PvE but the Honor system has changed the eviroment on these servers too. Check out the arena in STV on a weekend night and it's a high battlezone. But on PvP there still is excessive ganking in and around BB even thought the arena is there.

The problem is the lazy players the single out lone adventurers to ganked them and slowly raise their honor points.

The more you gank a single target, the less contribution points you get. I think around the 3rd kill of the same person, you'll get no contribution points (toward your ranking) so it's better to fight different people all the time.

 

[chowmein]

the arena in STV is a hotspot because of the treasure spawn. +5 to stam. trinket waaack.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: chowmein
for all your PvE-lovers that complain about people in your server hungry about HKs and Contribution pts... tough luck.

Lol, why is this not surprising, coming from a pvp player... Nobody's telling you you can't play the game as you enjoy it, why are you unable to reciprocate the courtesy? Since the game's inception, gameplay has been enjoyable for me, now it's entirely different. How would you feel if instead of introducing the honor system, the last patch took all PvP out of the game?

I don't like PvP. It's boring.

 

[chowmein]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: chowmein
for all your PvE-lovers that complain about people in your server hungry about HKs and Contribution pts... tough luck.

Lol, why is this not surprising, coming from a pvp player... Nobody's telling you you can't play the game as you enjoy it, why are you unable to reciprocate the courtesy? Since the game's inception, gameplay has been enjoyable for me, now it's entirely different. How would you feel, nitwit, if instead of introducing the honor system, the last patch took all PvP out of the game? I don't like PvP. It's boring.

i completely understand why you're upset but based on what you said in OPs, that a good portion of the PvE are PvPin' and deter from questing and such. there are fewer groups and leveling becomes hard. but if blizz implements strict PvE realm(s) wouldn't the population fall b/c of the the HS? one would also suggest that PvE shouldn't have the HS, and those realms would miss out on the additional epic mounts/weapon/armor, which would lead more player to PvP b/c of the incentive.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: chowmein

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: chowmein
for all your PvE-lovers that complain about people in your server hungry about HKs and Contribution pts... tough luck.

Lol, why is this not surprising, coming from a pvp player... Nobody's telling you you can't play the game as you enjoy it, why are you unable to reciprocate the courtesy? Since the game's inception, gameplay has been enjoyable for me, now it's entirely different. How would you feel, nitwit, if instead of introducing the honor system, the last patch took all PvP out of the game? I don't like PvP. It's boring.

not surprising that you have to resort to attacking me rather than my opinions. i completely understand why you're upset but based on what you said in OPs, that a good portion of the PvE are PvPin' and deter from questing and such. there are fewer groups and leveling becomes hard. but if blizz implements strict PvE realm(s) wouldn't the population fall b/c of the the HS? one would also suggest that PvE shouldn't have the HS, and those realms would miss out on the additional epic mounts/weapon/armor, which would lead more player to PvP b/c of the incentive.

Sorry the edit didn't hit in time. At any rate, I didn't say I'm upset because quest NPCs are dead, I said I'm upset becuase 90% of people are too busy PvPing to raid. The remaining 10% are spread fairly evenly across all servers, and so can't get together and raid. My suggestion is strictly PvE servers where there is no PvP available. Whether the honor system is installed on them or not is a moot point, as if you can't PvP, you can't "earn" any "honor". I couldn't care less about hs gear.

Originally posted by: Pandemik
isnt the whole point of the game about the fight between horde and alliance? that would seem to suggest a focus on pvp not pve.
while I appreciate it means getting groups together to get uber items to sell or use is going to be difficult now, why not settle for much less powerful equipment (after all you dont need the best equipment to do well in pvp) or rise up in the pvp ranks and get some that way.
it shouldnt stop you from lvling up maybe make it a bit slower but you will still hit 60 at some point.

Whole point for many is the open-endedness; not being herded into a specific style of play. WoW was like this until the hs was implemented.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: chowmein
for all your PvE-lovers that complain about people in your server hungry about HKs and Contribution pts... tough luck.

Lol, why is this not surprising, coming from a pvp player... Nobody's telling you you can't play the game as you enjoy it, why are you unable to reciprocate the courtesy? Since the game's inception, gameplay has been enjoyable for me, now it's entirely different. How would you feel if instead of introducing the honor system, the last patch took all PvP out of the game?

I don't like PvP. It's boring.

Gurck, have you seen some of the prizes? They're pretty neat, especially the epic mount for 90g. I think you should wait till the next patch comes out and alleviates some of the lag issues.

While I enjoy PVP for awhile, it does get boring after an hour or so. Dueling is much more fun, because both of you are ready and it's fair. I think the heavy armor wearers really get the shaft with the honor system, and high DPS guys like Mages/Rogues/Hunters have an advantage because they can kill faster than others. Take 3 rogues or mages on a crowded battlefield all stealthed, and they can easily take out 2 warriors. Whereas 2 rogues or 2 mages would give 3 warriors a run for their money due to the speed of the damage dealt. Not sure how healers' get their HK's and ContPts so can't comment.

What's cool about the Honor system is that guildies who haven't had a chance to make many instance runs now have a good alternative to getting good gear, and fast. This could overall make raids on MC or Kazzak much less painful, so I think it's good overall.

 

[SP33Demon]

Overall I think PvE gets the best of both worlds, you can fight when you want and not be harrassed by some l337 script kiddie who has nothing better to do than hide in a bush and gank lowbies that walk by. I.e., if you're in the mood for PvPing then you'll join in.

Gurck does present a valid point about less people raiding. Some have suggested, it may just be a novelty and wear off, but that probably won't be the case with Battlegrounds on the horizon. Even if it doesn't, I think if you are in a good guild you can always find people that want to go on raids or help with questing. For example, my guild has around 125 or so people, and many of them only raid and could care less about PVP. Then there's a group of about 5 people who live and die for PvPing, and seek it out. I would suggest finding a larger guild Gurck, although it's probably a lot harder since the Horde numbers aren't that big on Icecrown.

 

[chowmein]

blizz did botch the HS in many ways. they missed certain key points such as the major gankage that continue to exist. Lag issues which they probably anticipated but did next to nothing about. (maybe they should have release HS w/ BG)

the best idea off the top of my head is to limit HS to BG battles but, punish those who decide to gank outside of the BGs in PvP or even PvE realms. theres still many tweaks and leaks that needs to be fixed, but i think i can say w/ some confidence that this patch has made the game more fun for some people (esp the L60s that wanna do something other than instance or farm all the time.)

 

[NeoV]

Gurck - if you don't like PvP, then don't take part...you can't get 'ganked' on a non-pvp server, and if you are on a PvP server, the question would be WHY - seeing as how you don't like it.

I love the game - It's my first MMO, and I've never spent as much time playing a game as I have this one...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: chowmein
for all your PvE-lovers that complain about people in your server hungry about HKs and Contribution pts... tough luck.

Lol, why is this not surprising, coming from a pvp player... Nobody's telling you you can't play the game as you enjoy it, why are you unable to reciprocate the courtesy? Since the game's inception, gameplay has been enjoyable for me, now it's entirely different. How would you feel if instead of introducing the honor system, the last patch took all PvP out of the game?

I don't like PvP. It's boring.

Gurck, have you seen some of the prizes? They're pretty neat, especially the epic mount for 90g. I think you should wait till the next patch comes out and alleviates some of the lag issues.

I've seen the prizes and they don't interest me. I own an epic mount and equivalent gear can be had from raiding. I don't dislike the honor system due to lag, quest NPC or gear concerns - I simply don't enjoy PvP.

While I enjoy PVP for awhile, it does get boring after an hour or so. Dueling is much more fun, because both of you are ready and it's fair. I think the heavy armor wearers really get the shaft with the honor system, and high DPS guys like Mages/Rogues/Hunters have an advantage because they can kill faster than others. Take 3 rogues or mages on a crowded battlefield all stealthed, and they can easily take out 2 warriors. Whereas 2 rogues or 2 mages would give 3 warriors a run for their money due to the speed of the damage dealt. Not sure how healers' get their HK's and ContPts so can't comment.

What's cool about the Honor system is that guildies who haven't had a chance to make many instance runs now have a good alternative to getting good gear, and fast. This could overall make raids on MC or Kazzak much less painful, so I think it's good overall.

I'm not saying the system should be removed - most people seem to like it. A sizeable minority doesn't, however, and I think it'd be a neat idea if we got servers more to our liking... everyone else did.

 

[Mavrick007]

If you're on a PvP server, then you should know what to expect by now, but if you're on a PvE server, you always had the chance to go PvP just by typing /pvp or by attacking someone already in PvP.

Nothing has changed except the rewards(well except the pvp flag will stay on if you go /pvp now unless you physically turn it off). It only works for Alliance against Horde, which is the whole big idea with the game anyway.

I'm sorry but I don't see what your big problem is with the big gankfest. It only affects you if you take part in it. If you don't want to do it on your PvE server, then don't take part in PvP'ing cause you don't have to if you don't want to.

If you have a legitimate problem with it, please explain a bit more clearly because you're not making any sense at all. Is it that someone a bit higher in level is killing you? Then try not going PvP until you're a bit higher level and stop complaining or explain yourself a bit better.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Mavrick007
If you're on a PvP server, then you should know what to expect by now, but if you're on a PvE server, you always had the chance to go PvP just by typing /pvp or by attacking someone already in PvP.

Nothing has changed except the rewards(well except the pvp flag will stay on if you go /pvp now unless you physically turn it off). It only works for Alliance against Horde, which is the whole big idea with the game anyway.

I'm sorry but I don't see what your big problem is with the big gankfest. It only affects you if you take part in it. If you don't want to do it on your PvE server, then don't take part in PvP'ing cause you don't have to if you don't want to.

If you have a legitimate problem with it, please explain a bit more clearly because you're not making any sense at all. Is it that someone a bit higher in level is killing you? Then try not going PvP until you're a bit higher level and stop complaining or explain yourself a bit better.

Sorry if I haven't been clear enough.
1) (doesn't affect me personally) Many low levels, especially Horde, since Alliance outnumber us so much, have trouble with PvE gameplay in that Alliance raids kill their quest NPCs and wind rider masters, and also introduce a lot of lag to their questing/levelling zones.
2) (does affect me) On a given night, 60-80% of my guildmates would rather PvP than PvE, as would 60-80% of their potential replacements in raids.
3) (does affect me) New bugs have been introduced to the PvE game. Rend's corpse sometimes poofs upon his death, leaving you lootless and without his head for that part of the Onyxia key quest. The 'in-combat' bug in Stratholme is 10 times worse, and is now present in other zones, such as LBRS, as I found out. Mobs now often warp when low on hp, which can train you.

 

[housecat]

so they are putting battlegrounds in todays patch?

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Quixfire
I don't play on PvP because of the ganking problems in Southshore and Tarren Mills areas. I've been happy with PvE but the Honor system has changed the eviroment on these servers too. Check out the arena in STV on a weekend night and it's a high battlezone. But on PvP there still is excessive ganking in and around BB even thought the arena is there.

The problem is the lazy players the single out lone adventurers to ganked them and slowly raise their honor points.

The more you gank a single target, the less contribution points you get. I think around the 3rd kill of the same person, you'll get no contribution points (toward your ranking) so it's better to fight different people all the time.

You know I read the honor system pages and the patch notes I must have miss that statement. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: Gurck
Ugh, why even put in PvE content and levels? The game was great until the HS went in, now every server is a PvP server... they really need some strictly PvE servers, I've asked on the official boards and a lot of people feel like I do.

Gurck you're gonna have to explain this to me again. How does the HS make pve servers pvp? I mean, you still have the choice right??

You have any idea what it's like to try to get a group or raid going for PvE?

get a guild =P
we doing MC 3 times a week and onxyia 1...
and the rest is PVP and get requipped for the raids...

pickup groups are gay..

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: Gurck
Ugh, why even put in PvE content and levels? The game was great until the HS went in, now every server is a PvP server... they really need some strictly PvE servers, I've asked on the official boards and a lot of people feel like I do.

Gurck you're gonna have to explain this to me again. How does the HS make pve servers pvp? I mean, you still have the choice right??

You have any idea what it's like to try to get a group or raid going for PvE?

get a guild =P
we doing MC 3 times a week and onxyia 1...
and the rest is PVP and get requipped for the raids...

pickup groups are gay..

I'm in a guild, a high end one at that. Scope out my MC shield

 

[chowmein]

i wish i had weekend time for MC/Oxynia runs. doesn't MC open up once a week?

 

[Mavrick007]

Heh I'm not tryin to get on your case. I was just trying to understand what you meant is all. It's still pretty new system and people want to get ranked fast so that's why they're going PvPing all the time. It will wear off in a bit and people will move on to other things, but this is just one move so that Bliz can add more people to the game.

PvPing is not going to help anyone level up so no matter what, they will need to do quests and go raiding sometime if they ever want to level to 60. I plan on hitting 60 tonite and I haven't really got into the PvPing much at all. Oh sure, a few kills in Tarren Mill on my way to the Western Plaguelands, but that was it. I still find lots of people on my server to do quests with. You don't have to continuously quest with people in your guild. Advertise yourself more and you will find parties. My server has been changing from Medium to Low and now back to Medium population and I'm still having no problem doing quests or finding people.

Heh BTW, nice shield man. I saw a NE warrior with it the other day.. I need one of those

 

[Vortex22]

Originally posted by: chowmein
i wish i had weekend time for MC/Oxynia runs. doesn't MC open up once a week?

The instance resets after the sixth day, assuming that you are saved to one (ie. you killed a boss). You can go back with your raid group as much as you like though, as it is virtually impossible to do the whole thing in one run since it's so long and difficult.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Mavrick007
Heh I'm not tryin to get on your case. I was just trying to understand what you meant is all. It's still pretty new system and people want to get ranked fast so that's why they're going PvPing all the time. It will wear off in a bit and people will move on to other things, but this is just one move so that Bliz can add more people to the game.

PvPing is not going to help anyone level up so no matter what, they will need to do quests and go raiding sometime if they ever want to level to 60. I plan on hitting 60 tonite and I haven't really got into the PvPing much at all. Oh sure, a few kills in Tarren Mill on my way to the Western Plaguelands, but that was it. I still find lots of people on my server to do quests with. You don't have to continuously quest with people in your guild. Advertise yourself more and you will find parties. My server has been changing from Medium to Low and now back to Medium population and I'm still having no problem doing quests or finding people.
Heh BTW, nice shield man. I saw a NE warrior with it the other day.. I need one of those

A few problems with going outside of guild - People in other guilds and unguilded people are just as rabid about PvP, so it's no easier to find people willing to PvE. On the off chance you do get something going, you're apt to find people who don't know what the hell they're doing; last night I grouped in lbrs with a druid who was in bear form most of the time, leaving me, a shaman, as the only healer... when the group obviously didn't work out that way, he left, citing us as bad players Even people who know what they're doing are often gear-limited, it makes a big difference in hp & mana pool, hp are especially important for anyone who'll get hit much, such as tanks, healers & mages. Skilled or not, a mage with under 2k hp will go down in Stratholme & Scholomance faster than a young boy at the Neverland Ranch, even with a few priests keeping an eye on his hp. Even if you do get lucky enough to get something going with well-equipped people who know what they're doing, the severe bugs detract quite a bit from the experience. Having Rend's corpse poof on you sucks ass, especially when you need his head to progress on the Onyxia key quest The in-combat bug sucks. Wiping to a train caused by a warping mobs sucks


Thanks, I'm stoked about the shield's new graphic It used to have the generic buckler graphic that a lot of shields have, I was a bit disappointed when I equipped it.

 

[chowmein]

i misunderstood CVSin's post then, i thought he was doing 3 separate MC runs. i was thinking wow, thats some good loot.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Quixfire

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Quixfire
I don't play on PvP because of the ganking problems in Southshore and Tarren Mills areas. I've been happy with PvE but the Honor system has changed the eviroment on these servers too. Check out the arena in STV on a weekend night and it's a high battlezone. But on PvP there still is excessive ganking in and around BB even thought the arena is there.

The problem is the lazy players the single out lone adventurers to ganked them and slowly raise their honor points.

The more you gank a single target, the less contribution points you get. I think around the 3rd kill of the same person, you'll get no contribution points (toward your ranking) so it's better to fight different people all the time.

You know I read the honor system pages and the patch notes I must have miss that statement. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

No prob! right off WOW site:

The amount of honor you gain is based mainly on three factors: 1) your target's level, 2) your PvP rank, and 3) your level. Then, at the end of the week, we gather all your Honorable Kills and Dishonorable Kills, and then apply certain modifications based on relevant data. For instance, we track repeat kills, and the system will reward you less and less honor with each successive kill of the same opponent on the same day. You'll gain full points for your first kill, but you get far less points with each kill after that, to the point were you will eventually get zero if you continue to prey on that player.