Wow, paid maternity leave??

[Sea Ray]

My history book starts a hundred years before GW was born.

Yes, the US was the first country to be formed "by the people, for the people"
But France for instance, was already leaning that way too

Also very interesting-

How Indians Influenced Modern America



http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america_p2.html

That's fine and dandy but so what? My point is we're Americans and we're not terribly swayed by the statement "that's how they do it in Europe". We're Americans and we do real football

 

[Sea Ray]

Of course that has nothing to do with it
The whole abortion, gay rights and hundreds of blue laws probably are

I don't know what you're complaining about. You liberals have won the abortion and gay rights issues. Enjoy your winnings and go sing loud and clear God Bless America!

 

[Orignal Earl]

That's fine and dandy but so what? My point is we're Americans and we're not terribly swayed by the statement "that's how they do it in Europe". We're Americans and we do real football

Yes..your American and play American football by American football rules..

 

[Orignal Earl]

I don't know what you're complaining about. You liberals have won the abortion and gay rights issues. Enjoy your winnings and go sing loud and clear God Bless America!

I don't think God is blessing America..but congrats to your liberals for the win
Maybe they can get started on the paid Maternity thing now

 

[Matt1970]

I don't think God is blessing America..but congrats to your liberals for the win
Maybe they can get started on the paid Maternity thing now

Sure, if you want to slap an $18,000 liability on every female employee, don't be shocked at the results.

 

[Murloc]

I think a big difference is that in Europe it's actually a good deal to "pay women" to have kids due to the bad fertility rates, while in the US you can just import more mexicans and give them citizenship since you're a colony anyway, and save your pension system this way.

We don't have a fertile, poor and culturally compatible/similar country nearby so massively importing foreigners is not an option.

 

[Whiskey16]

My point is we're Americans and we're not terribly swayed by the statement "that's how they do it in Europe". We're Americans and we do real football

I repeat:

The USA is a relatively undeveloped and uncivilised regressive -- an outlier in this world of for more numerous civilised states. Yet most here are so ideologically uptight and ideologically dismissive to the costs for lacking paid leave that they destructively uphold an unsupportable, jingoist, and supremacist pride in keeping their state down to the levels of Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Liberia and Lesotho...

You can't learn from anyone? You wish to lamely use that game to demonstrate as doing it your own way? This football you talk of evolved from an English game into rules and a method of play in both Canada and the USA. The USA adopted Canadian rules and oblong ball....:

Harvard, which played the "Boston game", a version of football that allowed carrying, refused to attend this rules conference and continued to play under its own code. While Harvard's voluntary absence from the meeting made it hard for them to schedule games against other American universities, it agreed to a challenge to play McGill University, from Montreal, in a two-game series. The McGill team traveled to Cambridge to meet Harvard. On May 14, 1874, the first game, played under "Boston" rules, with a round ball, was won by Harvard with a score of 3–0. The next day, the two teams played under "McGill" rules, with an oblong ball, to a scoreless tie.[6] This series of games represents an important milestone in the development of the modern game of American football.[10]
..
On November 23, 1876, representatives from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia met at the Massasoit House in Springfield, Massachusetts to standardize a new code of rules based on the rugby game first introduced to Harvard by McGill University in 1874.

In true jingoistic ignorance, Sea Ray, you are caught foolishly upholding an example of the USA learning and adopting rule-based aspects from others, and embarrassingly misusing that as an example for the USA absolutely knowing best under its own individualistic accord.

Face it, the USA is typically tardy on social and human rights issues. After the earlier implementation by other more developed societies, it does generally progress and socially catch up. From the abolishment of slavery, desegregation, sexual rights, homosexual marriage, and then I predict eventually to accept maternal/paternal leave, the USA will catch up.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Sure, if you want to slap an $18,000 liability on every female employee, don't be shocked at the results.

Really?
How about you pick a country that has maternity leave and show me how its failing

 

[Sea Ray]

I don't think God is blessing America..but congrats to your liberals for the win
Maybe they can get started on the paid Maternity thing now

I welcome politicians to make this an issue. Their fate will be worse than those that pushed gun control legislation. Still another example of how America is different

 

[Whiskey16]

Sure, if you want to slap an $18,000 liability on every female employee, don't be shocked at the results.

Still this lying (must be a willful lie in face of the corrections) FUD of businesses mandated to pay the wages of employees while on this leave.

 

[Sea Ray]

Face it, the USA is typically tardy on social and human rights issues. After the earlier implementation by other more developed societies, it does generally progress and socially catch up. From the abolishment of slavery, desegregation, sexual rights, homosexual marriage, and then I predict eventually to accept maternal/paternal leave, the USA will catch up.

Once again, just because Europe comes up with a dumbass idea, doesn't mean us Americans have to embrace it. As a matter of fact, many times it's a good reason to run the other way.

But you correct that there are Americans currently in positions of power that do covet a European style of gov't. I can't deny that

 

[Orignal Earl]

I welcome politicians to make this an issue. Their fate will be worse than those that pushed gun control legislation. Still another example of how America is different

I'm sure at least half of American would disagree with you

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm sure at least half of American would disagree with you

Sure. People love benefits. They'd love more laws where they get more stuff from their employers or gov't. Let's hope sanity rules the day. I still have confidence that it will in this country

 

[child of wonder]

Men have shorter lives, greater risk of heart disease, cancer, violence, aggression, and getting my female employees pregnant.

I will not hire men. Why do they think they deserve more pay just because they get prostate cancer?

Seriously guys, these arguments are ridiculous. Women get pregnant. No one is forcing any business to provide paid maternity leave and if you can look me straight faced and say "I'd pass on a qualified female candidate in her early 30's and take someone less qualified or a worse fit so I can avoid potential maternity leave" you're a complete buffoon and a poor, poor businessman. You don't pass on the right candidate that fills a need of your business because they MIGHT someday get pregnant and be out for 6-8 weeks to recover and care for their new baby.

Jesus folks....

"Save up enough money so you can pay for your own maternity leave!"

99% of the people that say this wouldn't be here if their parents followed that rule.

"Maternity leave means the woman is being paid more than her male counterpart! Sexism!"

Men have more health problems than women and cost employers more in health care costs. Men get in more car accidents. Men create more liability issues for employers via sexual harassment. The list goes on.

Those of you that are, unfortunately, married, go home and tell your wives that no employer or government entity should offer paid or unpaid maternity leave, it's unfair to men that women are paid more because of this benefit, and measure the decibel level of her rampant laughter for us. Highest score gets a free vasectomy.

 

[mikeymikec]

Once again, just because Europe comes up with a dumbass idea, doesn't mean us Americans have to embrace it. As a matter of fact, many times it's a good reason to run the other way.

Out of curiosity, could you please name one feature of the American style of government which was invented in America?

 

[Sea Ray]

Out of curiosity, could you please name one feature of the American style of government which was invented in America?

The Constitution. That pretty well covers everything. It didn't come from Europe. It came from our Founding Fathers

 

[mikeymikec]

The Constitution. That pretty well covers everything. It didn't come from Europe. It came from our Founding Fathers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution#Historical_influences

You might want to read up on the Magna Carta, for example. Many of the ideas behind the structure of modern governments are about 1000-2000 years old, some more.

 

[CPA]

Well, there is no government laws that mandate it but *some* companies do provide it.

ALL Large companies provide it. Most medium size companies do. Some small companies do. Very few, if any, mom and pop companies do.

Which is interesting seeing as so many people argue that we must support mom and pop stores.

And there shouldn't be a law. It's the family's choice to have a child, not the company's, so why should the company be forced to pay for the time required for it?

 

[Veliko]

And there shouldn't be a law. It's the family's choice to have a child, not the company's, so why should the company be forced to pay for the time required for it?

Where do you think employees come from?

Flown in by stork?
Conjured up by magic?

Or, more likely, did they once exist as children?

It's the company's choice to exist and if they make that choice then they are going to have pay the going rate for existing.

 

[Matt1970]

Really?
How about you pick a country that has maternity leave and show me how its failing

Women already have are hired less and paid less than men. How the hell is slapping a mandated 6 month pay liability on them going to help their situation?

 

[Matt1970]

It's the woman's choice to have a kid and if they make that choice then they are going to have pay the going rate for having a kid.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Veliko]

Matt1970, your point neither agrees nor disagrees with anything I said.

 

[Matt1970]

Matt1970, your point neither agrees nor disagrees with anything I said.

Oh, it disagrees with you plenty. You think it's the businesses burden bare regardless. It should just be a cost of doing business. The company will have to offset those costs by either higher prices, which never bodes well for US manufacturing, less pay per worker or less workers. Who is going to come in and pay for a struggling company that will now be mandated to shell out $18,000 for 6 months of a woman’s salary?

 

[Veliko]

Oh, it disagrees with you plenty. You think it's the businesses burden bare regardless. It should just be a cost of doing business. The company will have to offset those costs by either higher prices, which never bodes well for US manufacturing, less pay per worker or less workers. Who is going to come in and pay for a struggling company that will now be mandated to shell out $18,000 for 6 months of a woman’s salary?

Yes, costs will have to be offset in one way or another; that's how an economy works and I don't think that anyone has suggested otherwise.

A business can only exist whilst society exists, therefore a business will have to contribute towards the upkeep of that society to ensure it's survival.

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, costs will have to be offset in one way or another; that's how an economy works and I don't think that anyone has suggested otherwise.

A business can only exist whilst society exists, therefore a business will have to contribute towards the upkeep of that society to ensure it's survival.

I'm sure society would be just fine if we didn't have ridiculous amounts of maternity leave.