Which one?A fallacy.
This is an assertion that you're assuming.This has been covered in this thread already.
A business can only exist whilst society exists and society benefits from giving mothers paid maternity leave.
And another.Where society benefits, a business also benefits.
Since you're into assertions I'll give you a few.So yes, a business has to bear part of the costs and burdens for maintaining a healthy society.
This is pathetic.And you're taking a deliberately narrow view of why maternity leave exists and who benefits from it. You're being a twat.
That's hilarious.
Women can need or simply want to have a career for a variety of reasons. One of which being that they'd like to do something with their lives outside of clean the house and take care of kids.
I've told my wife that even though I make enough to easily support the entire family, I'm happy she's chosen to pursue a career in nursing. I wouldn't allow her to simply sit at home all day and be a housewife. What would she do in 9 years after our children were grown up and gone? She'd have no skills, no experience, or any other relevant abilities to pursue a career with. Her only option would be to go to college in her 40s, try to start a career in her late 40s, then work a little more than 10 years before we retire.
Women, surprisingly, are human beings with their own hopes and dreams. I couldn't imagine how depressing it would be, as a male, to have my fate relegated per my biology as a sperm donor only.
Your mother wasn't born so that she could birth you into existence. I can't imagine anyone's purpose being to bring someone as despicable and foolish as you into the world.
That's the last I'll ever read your inane, meaningless, mean spirited, sophomoric, ignorant, and convoluted posts again.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissa...llennial-women-are-burning-out-at-work-by-30/This is why a growing number of young professional women who seem to have it all are burning out at work before they reach 30.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghanc...out-the-new-american-dream-for-working-women/84% of working women told ForbesWoman and TheBump that staying home to raise children is a financial luxury they aspire to.
Whats more, more than one in three resent their partner for not earning enough to make that dream a reality.
How exactly am I being selfish?
This point has been addressed repeatedly on this thread already.
Where did this come from? Ah, you made it up.
I think you are the one who ignorant in that you apparently think the pursuing a career is "fun".
What has employee burnout got to do with this topic? Again, if you want to discuss your opinions about a woman's role in society, including your thoughts that they're more susceptible to burnout than men, feel free.http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissa...llennial-women-are-burning-out-at-work-by-30/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghanc...out-the-new-american-dream-for-working-women/
Unfortunately for you those hopes and dreams seem to align much more with my belief system once they have been out in the world and learned when feminist ideology gets you.
It comes from simple math. A dual-income household should have 200% of the income of a single-income household. In one person in the dual-income household takes off 2 6 month leaves over a 5 year period to have children they will instead have a 180% of the income of a single-income household.
They are then getting all butt-hurt that they can't get businesses to pay them an additional 20%(which would be in essence taken from single-income households) for not working.
This shouldn't be rocket science. You feel entitled to twice my lifestyle regardless of the choices you make.
Six weeks paid maternity leave is absolutely ridiculous.:sneaky:Yes, I understood your feelings the first five times you said it. If you don't have anything interesting to add, can this be the last time you say this please?
-sigh-I'm missing the distinction. Obviously you're giving your opinion, not some pronouncement that results in your word becoming law.
I might disagree with you here.No, I was expecting a constructive argument from you instead of you repeating yourself endlessly.
No I didn't, I asked if you were dense.'Mandate' as in give permission to or the other definition, as an order? The former is hardly necessary, the latter we already talked about and you called me dense.
A business owner is free to give whatever benefits that they want and feel that they need to produce in the market. If 6 months of maternity leave gives them an advantage then they should give it. However 6 months of paying somebody that isn't doing anything for your business is a steep price to pay. That kid getting 6 months of one on one time isn't worth (to the company) the price that the company has to pay in my opinion. Hell, I'd say its probably worth nothing to them and they have a workforce during that six months that is worse off to boot.
I wasn't aware that sick pay/holiday pay were mandated by government.The same can be said of any employee-friendly feature (sick pay, holiday pay, etc). I'm pretty sure that most businesses would give what people currently generally consider to be substandard employee benefits if they weren't legally obligated to.
Who else is going to pay for it? I'd be for women taking out maternity leave insurance if they choose. Making it more expensive to hire women isn't going to lead to anything but bad results. Companies will be compelled to hire just enough women to keep the government off of their backs but no more than that. All this does is increase labor costs when its already hard enough for people to find work.In the case of maternity leave, I would be surprised if businesses were expected to shoulder the whole cost. I would expect that a government would employ some carrot with the stick.
Drinking tainted water vs a woman getting paid six months for doing nothing is not comparable at all.There was a time for example in England when normal water sources near cities had been so tainted by industrial waste that beer was actually safer to drink than the water.
I think this statement provides some unintended insight into your life.
What has employee burnout got to do with this topic? Again, if you want to discuss your opinions about a woman's role in society, including your thoughts that they're more susceptible to burnout than men, feel free.
How is this about me exactly? Where are you getting my selfishness and my sense of entitlement from? I live in a different country to you with different rules. What the US decides to do (or already does) doesn't really make any difference to me at all. I don't have children either.
With regard to your "simple math", it's nowhere near that simple. Even before you insert children into the equation, the size and running costs of a home for two isn't simply twice the size of a home for one. There are economies and extra costs involved.
Your "in essence" remark sounds like it is straight out of a button-pushing news broadcast. If it's a tax then everyone who has to pay tax is and has been paying for it.
Furthermore, the point of maternity leave isn't to get some free cash. Without maternity leave, couples that aren't well-off will feel obligated to return to work ASAP because having kids is very costly and no amount of love and attention affects whether they can afford the necessities and the unpredictable expenses, especially those resulting from having a small child in the house. Maternity leave gives them a bit of breathing space and flexibility in dealing with the challenge of raising a kid, and bringing up kids decently is a benefit to society.
Also, many parents will do something to scale back the total hours they work in order to raise the children, and the cost of raising the children fluctuates considerably as they grow up.
A business can only exist whilst society exists and society benefits from giving mothers paid maternity leave.
People like to think they are an island that doesn't need society. They get pissed they have to pay things like school taxes and other infrastructure things they don't currently use. It's usually those paying the least amount of taxes with their "y0 I make $15/hr bro!" mentalities.
Businesses and society are existing right now without 6 month paid maternity leave.
And they existed for 1000s of years without our current standards of basic hygiene or sanitation.And they existed for 1000s of years without it. Crazy huh?
And they existed for 1000s of years without our current standards of basic hygiene or sanitation.
Paid maternity leave is just another entitlement that liberals and Europeans love so much. Let's hope America still stands up to those cradle to grave entitlement loving folks
Furthermore, the point of maternity leave isn't to get some free cash. Without maternity leave, couples that aren't well-off will feel obligated to return to work ASAP because having kids is very costly and no amount of love and attention affects whether they can afford the necessities and the unpredictable expenses, especially those resulting from having a small child in the house. Maternity leave gives them a bit of breathing space and flexibility in dealing with the challenge of raising a kid, and bringing up kids decently is a benefit to society.
No one is complaining about paying for schools or roads...
Face it, the USA is typically tardy on social and human rights issues. After the earlier implementation by other more developed societies, it does generally progress and socially catch up. From the abolishment of slavery, desegregation, sexual rights, homosexual marriage, and then I predict eventually to accept maternal/paternal leave, the USA will catch up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution#Historical_influences
You might want to read up on the Magna Carta, for example. Many of the ideas behind the structure of modern governments are about 1000-2000 years old, some more.
yet they are are very successful still with manufacturing and all other economic and social measures. even with paternity leave let alone maternity. especially germany and other central and nothern european countries. explain that one.
:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:No question maternity leave gives the mother some nice benefits but what gives gov't the right to tell a private company that they HAVE to pay for a maternity leave? This is an example of big gov't getting in the way of business.
Do enjoy making garbage up to be argumentative?Originally Posted by Sea Ray
America is very hesitant to give its gov't the power to tell its privately owned businesses how to pay its employees. I don't want my gov't to tell me how much I have to pay my employee when she has a baby. That sounds great for the employee but it's a burden for the business
Support this line of reasoning or retract crap. Quite an easy an honourable thing to do in a discussion.
Only a few posts above did J-Money a myself rail against this thread's retained and long disproved ideological fantasy. We provided clear and concise examples of a state with legislated maternity/paternity leave that also provides partial income support from government employment services as funded by WORKERS' payment from earned wages into an employment insurance fund.
Not businesses paying the employees wages while on leave. That is a embarrassing falsehood that you and many more stubbornly perpetuate. Is the P&N an example of insane ideology gone extreme? When knowledge and accurate perspective too often gets trumped in the noise of false and dumb soundbites? Is this a reflection of the USA and why it is such a regular laggard upon social rights and development?
A fallacy.
This has been covered in this thread already.
A business can only exist whilst society exists and society benefits from giving mothers paid maternity leave.
Where society benefits, a business also benefits.
So yes, a business has to bear part of the costs and burdens for maintaining a healthy society.
And likewise a society depends on the revenue, taxes and jobs those businesses provide, milk them dry and the society eventually collapses,
One example repeating itself allover the country is the bankruptcy and failure of many municipalities because they continually increased spending without regard to the constantly eroding middle class and their businesses that supported them.
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For those who are argumentatively obtuse, I repeat yet again:
You have already been directly responded to with corrections, and yet this FUD of lying crap continues to be ranted out.... The P&N can truly be a devastating example of an intellectual gutter.
Myself and others have already directly demonstrated [1] [2] [3] states where maternity/paternity income is funded by the employment insurance that those workers pay into from their preceding employment. Not a mandated wage while on leave for business to pay.
If you have a shred of an intellectual and honest bone in your body, then you would concede your error or present to this forum evidence of a state where businesses are legislated to pay for such leave.