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Nintendesert

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Children are a good thing for society. Usually its wise to invest in good things. But America is more worried about short and eventually its going to bite us in the ass. Maybe if corporations still paid a decent wage a 1 income family wouldn't need to worry about maternity/paternity leave and one of the parents would be home full time anyway. Assuming its a two parent family.



Yup. Look at the contempt people that have kids and women that choose to have kids and work are shown. Having kids drives society. White people are choosing to not have kids and make life harder on those that do. The contempt is admirable and leads to votes today for amnesty. See, the contemptible darwin award winners can't even be bothered to breed new workers and instead have to provide amnesty to supplement a dwindling work force.

Keep on hating the women that have kids! Just learn to speak Spanish while you do it. :biggrin:
 

Doppel

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I wouldn't even ask if a woman was considering pregnancy. I simply wouldn't hire a young woman if there's a chance that over the next five years, she's going to be gone 20% of the time (two children at 6mo a pop over five yeras) and still getting paid. That's insane. It means that woman is making 25% more than her male counterpart. Talk about sexism...
I wouldn't either and, although employers may officially not consider this, in reality of course they do and they should. There is an obvious reason why women make less than men. They just don't spend as much time on their careers.
 

justoh

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No maternity leave in the US. Also, no paid vacation. Plus, low wages/salaries for the average joe. What the republicans fight to preserve.
 

mikeymikec

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I wouldn't even ask if a woman was considering pregnancy. I simply wouldn't hire a young woman if there's a chance that over the next five years, she's going to be gone 20% of the time (two children at 6mo a pop over five yeras) and still getting paid. That's insane. It means that woman is making 25% more than her male counterpart. Talk about sexism...

1 - Unless you're running a fast food joint where 99% of the employees are minimum wage burger flippers, then chances are you're looking for employees with particular skills. In that case, as an employer, it's in your interests to offer employment conditions favourable to people seeking said jobs. Shock horror, the person that is best suited for the job might be a woman of child-bearing age.

2 - Most people want to settle down and have families. While this in itself is not necessarily a mark of maturity, IMO couples who plan carefully on this score are more likely to be mature people that you as an employer are interested in hiring.

3 - As a continuation in time from point 2, people who settle down and have families are probably more likely to be happier people, and happier people are generally considered to be more productive people. Which is good for your business in itself; and it promotes a healthier, less stressful work environment.

4 - Work environments that are predominantly populated by one gender tend to lead to stressful situations due to the lack of balance. Predominantly female environments tend to result in more egotistical behaviour and bitchiness, predominantly male ones also tend to result in more egotistical behaviour and aggressiveness.
 

Rebel44

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I wouldn't even ask if a woman was considering pregnancy. I simply wouldn't hire a young woman if there's a chance that over the next five years, she's going to be gone 20% of the time (two children at 6mo a pop over five yeras) and still getting paid. That's insane. It means that woman is making 25% more than her male counterpart. Talk about sexism...

Over here, maternity leave is same for everyone and it is paid by government (from our absurdly high taxes) - not by employer.
 

Vic Vega

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No maternity leave in the US. Also, no paid vacation.

You're an ignorant moron or a lying sack of shit, you decide.

I have both of these available to me in the big bad mean US of A working for an evil corporation.
 

BoberFett

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Yes, tax credits aren't that great. Paid leave would benefit sociecity far more than tax credits. Like I said, if they paid a decent wage, this would be a non issue

Ah yes, the good of society. That's why we all exist right? Slaves to society?
 

BoberFett

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Yup. Look at the contempt people that have kids and women that choose to have kids and work are shown. Having kids drives society. White people are choosing to not have kids and make life harder on those that do. The contempt is admirable and leads to votes today for amnesty. See, the contemptible darwin award winners can't even be bothered to breed new workers and instead have to provide amnesty to supplement a dwindling work force.

Keep on hating the women that have kids! Just learn to speak Spanish while you do it. :biggrin:

Can't tell if serious...
 

BoberFett

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1 - Unless you're running a fast food joint where 99% of the employees are minimum wage burger flippers, then chances are you're looking for employees with particular skills. In that case, as an employer, it's in your interests to offer employment conditions favourable to people seeking said jobs. Shock horror, the person that is best suited for the job might be a woman of child-bearing age.

Is she 25% more qualified than a man? She'd have to be in order to get paid 25% more.

2 - Most people want to settle down and have families. While this in itself is not necessarily a mark of maturity, IMO couples who plan carefully on this score are more likely to be mature people that you as an employer are interested in hiring.

Statistically speaking intelligent, successful people have fewer kids than uneducated, unproductive people.

3 - As a continuation in time from point 2, people who settle down and have families are probably more likely to be happier people, and happier people are generally considered to be more productive people. Which is good for your business in itself; and it promotes a healthier, less stressful work environment.

Facts not in evidence.

4 - Work environments that are predominantly populated by one gender tend to lead to stressful situations due to the lack of balance. Predominantly female environments tend to result in more egotistical behaviour and bitchiness, predominantly male ones also tend to result in more egotistical behaviour and aggressiveness.

Surely you have evidence to back this assertion...
 

Eug

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In Canada, you get 1 year mat leave. I think that is ridiculous.
Note that businesses in Canada aren't actually forced to pay for a 1 year of maternity leave. The mandatory maternity leave costs actually come from Employment Insurance, which is a governmental program. It pays up to 50 weeks (split between two parents). It ends up being equivalent to a very low salary, and it's capped.

It's up to the business to decide if they want to augment that beyond what EI provides. However, a lot of businesses do provide this, esp. in the public sector. It's a perk, like a good dental plan or whatever.
 

child of wonder

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If I were an employer I'd find a way to offer a modest amount of maternity leave. Being that my employees would be skilled professionals I'd prefer they have fewer roadblocks in reproducing so we can combat our descent into Idiocracy.
 

nehalem256

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Children are a good thing for society. Usually its wise to invest in good things. But America is more worried about short and eventually its going to bite us in the ass. Maybe if corporations still paid a decent wage a 1 income family wouldn't need to worry about maternity/paternity leave and one of the parents would be home full time anyway. Assuming its a two parent family.

BS. Wages declined AFTER women started entering the workforce and driving up the workforce participation rate. Simple economics 101. Increases the supply of labor, decrease its value.
 

nehalem256

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1 - Unless you're running a fast food joint where 99% of the employees are minimum wage burger flippers, then chances are you're looking for employees with particular skills. In that case, as an employer, it's in your interests to offer employment conditions favourable to people seeking said jobs. Shock horror, the person that is best suited for the job might be a woman of child-bearing age.

Of course if these "employees" are taking 6-12m off with pay their particular skills are not exactly benefiting me.

4 - Work environments that are predominantly populated by one gender tend to lead to stressful situations due to the lack of balance. Predominantly female environments tend to result in more egotistical behaviour and bitchiness, predominantly male ones also tend to result in more egotistical behaviour and aggressiveness.

Hmm, society didn't collapse when work environments were predominantly male.
 

mikeymikec

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Is she 25% more qualified than a man? She'd have to be in order to get paid 25% more.

You're not an employer, are you.

How do you go about exactly quantifying maturity, experience, temperament and actual qualifications into a percentage?

Statistically speaking intelligent, successful people have fewer kids than uneducated, unproductive people.
You didn't mention a number of kids in your original point, you were just discriminating against anyone who may have a child during employment. I would be quite surprised if you managed to find any statistics that supported a conclusion of "the best employees don't ever have any kids". So skip the disingenuous interpretation of statistics and stick to your point.

Facts not in evidence.
Surely you have evidence to back this assertion...
Those are responses based on a lack of logic to support your argument against the points I'm making. My opinions are drawn partly through experience, first-hand and through people I know well.

You may disagree with the points I'm making but without any substance to your disagreement, it's a pretty lame argument you've composed.

Of course if these "employees" are taking 6-12m off with pay their particular skills are not exactly benefiting me.

Basically a repeat of BoberFett's post without any added substance.

Hmm, society didn't collapse when work environments were predominantly male.
Did I imply a collapse anywhere? No.
 
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werepossum

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Note that businesses in Canada aren't actually forced to pay for a 1 year of maternity leave. The mandatory maternity leave costs actually come from Employment Insurance, which is a governmental program. It pays up to 50 weeks (split between two parents). It ends up being equivalent to a very low salary, and it's capped.

It's up to the business to decide if they want to augment that beyond what EI provides. However, a lot of businesses do provide this, esp. in the public sector. It's a perk, like a good dental plan or whatever.
That's not such a bad plan in concept if it comes from the employee. Problem is, these things tend to shift to the employer side rather quickly and it goes from insurance to entitlement.
 
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