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jackstar7

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More like he has to bust his ass working with annoying people and never-ending deadlines, not to mention possibly in dirty and/or dangerous environments, just to support his fat wife who gave up her promising career as a secretary to sit at home and watch TV after popping out a kid, and who will take the kid away from him in case of divorce... Or do you think that work is fun, and men work because they like it?

No one, least of all the woman you're impregnating, made you choose an unsatisfying career. If your job is such a shitty experience each day that's on you for choosing to work there.
 

nehalem256

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No one, least of all the woman you're impregnating, made you choose an unsatisfying career. If your job is such a shitty experience each day that's on you for choosing to work there.

But someone made the woman have a baby?

If caring for a child is such a shitty experience perhaps she should have availed herself to the ample BC options or abortion
 

werepossum

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awesome!

We need more openly admission of how fucking terrible we are to ourselves. How about we own a few less stupid worthless things and spend that money to take care of children and our elderly.
Of course, not our OWN children. We need to spend that money on other people's children. We need to pay people so that they can take time off to get pregnant, then pay them some more so that they can stay home while they are pregnant, then pay them some more so that they can stay home to bond with the baby.
 

michal1980

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How about if you want a kid, save your money to take time off?

Liberals cant think like this. To them its foreign. To a liberal someone else should pay for choices I make.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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Yeah, there's no societal benefit to children raised in a... forget it.

Fucking idiotic twats.

Help mothers, you assholes.
 

Atreus21

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Without reading all 17 pages of this, did anyone else get confused over the wording, "How much would an unemployed minimum wage worker receive per day?"

And I've never worked in any workplace that didn't give new mothers about 2 months of maternity leave. Companies shouldn't be forced to do it if they don't want to.
 

zinfamous

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awesome!

We need more openly admission of how fucking terrible we are to ourselves. How about we own a few less stupid worthless things and spend that money to take care of children and our elderly.

Why do you hate our country?

 

zinfamous

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Of course, not our OWN children. We need to spend that money on other people's children. We need to pay people so that they can take time off to get pregnant, then pay them some more so that they can stay home while they are pregnant, then pay them some more so that they can stay home to bond with the baby.

that's a rather defective mindset that people in this country tend to hold.

Nevermind that it works quite well in every other advanced, developed country that also has better education, better healthcare, better health outcomes, better quality of life.

But, we still need to eat up our cheap t-shirts made in China, ("manufactured"by our own companies, nonetheless), that last for about 5 months so we can buy more cheap t-shirts.

Amurca!
 

jackstar7

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Without reading all 17 pages of this, did anyone else get confused over the wording, "How much would an unemployed minimum wage worker receive per day?"

And I've never worked in any workplace that didn't give new mothers about 2 months of maternity leave. Companies shouldn't be forced to do it if they don't want to.

Was it paid leave?
 

thraashman

Lifer
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How about if you want a kid, save your money to take time off?

Liberals cant think like this. To them its foreign. To a liberal someone else should pay for choices I make.

The far-right mentality as represented by michal1980 in a nutshell. If you get pregnant, even if by accident or rape, regardless of the condition of the fetus, you MUST carry it to term. Then once born, all social services that might assist should be rescinded and no paid maternity leave. And THAT'S how you be pro life and pro family!
 

Strk

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Without reading all 17 pages of this, did anyone else get confused over the wording, "How much would an unemployed minimum wage worker receive per day?"

And I've never worked in any workplace that didn't give new mothers about 2 months of maternity leave. Companies shouldn't be forced to do it if they don't want to.

That would be the federal minimum.
 

CitizenKain

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Without reading all 17 pages of this, did anyone else get confused over the wording, "How much would an unemployed minimum wage worker receive per day?"

And I've never worked in any workplace that didn't give new mothers about 2 months of maternity leave. Companies shouldn't be forced to do it if they don't want to.

Weird, I thought you were all about helping people.
Is there anything else companies shouldn't have to do if they don't feel like it?
 
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1prophet

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awesome!

We need more openly admission of how fucking terrible we are to ourselves. How about we own a few less stupid worthless things and spend that money to take care of children and our elderly.

Yet here we are on a forum, supported by a web site based on the latest and greatest must have technology so we feel good about ourselves,

how many do you think can willingly give up some or all of that and spend that money to take care of children and our elderly?
 

blastingcap

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Holy cow, not sure if the BBC is accurate or not, but it appears that in the US, our attitude is "fuck the children. Screw families. Profit profit profit."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22688596 Just one more reason wealth keeps getting concentrated at the top.

Speaking as a parent, I can verify the "fuck the children, screw families, profit profit profit" attitude is accurate across most companies, though not all (e.g., Google, Facebook).

Some countries not only have paid maternity leave, but paid paternity leave as well, on the grounds that studies have found that it helps child development to have both parents around.

Some people say that maternity and paternity leave should be FORCED, because if you don't, then in practice you have only women taking the time off and the men being too afraid to take time off for fear of looking soft. That undermines the intent of such programs.

P.S. Ugh I guess someone necro'd the thread and I replied before checking the dates. Sorry. Also, there's a lot of narrow self-interest in this thread. Here's a clue: kids with more parental attention are less likely to grow up in to the thug who mugs you, among other things. Babies who are breastfed tend to do better as well, and that's harder to do without any maternity leave.
 
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glenn1

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If you want to support new parents that's fine, but let the government pay for it rather than the employer. There's no reason why a new parent should be collecting a paycheck from an employer they're doing no work for, and accruing seniority to compete with peers whose own productivity gets dragged down after needing to assume the work of people out on maternity leave.
 

michal1980

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The far-right mentality as represented by michal1980 in a nutshell. If you get pregnant, even if by accident or rape, regardless of the condition of the fetus, you MUST carry it to term. Then once born, all social services that might assist should be rescinded and no paid maternity leave. And THAT'S how you be pro life and pro family!

Thats alot of straw-men you built there.
 

michal1980

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Speaking as a parent, I can verify the "fuck the children, screw families, profit profit profit" attitude is accurate across most companies, though not all (e.g., Google, Facebook).

Some countries not only have paid maternity leave, but paid paternity leave as well, on the grounds that studies have found that it helps child development to have both parents around.

Some people say that maternity and paternity leave should be FORCED, because if you don't, then in practice you have only women taking the time off and the men being too afraid to take time off for fear of looking soft. That undermines the intent of such programs.

P.S. Ugh I guess someone necro'd the thread and I replied before checking the dates. Sorry. Also, there's a lot of narrow self-interest in this thread. Here's a clue: kids with more parental attention are less likely to grow up in to the thug who mugs you, among other things. Babies who are breastfed tend to do better as well, and that's harder to do without any maternity leave.

You mean narrow self interest like those of the people that made a choice to have kids, and demand everyone else help pitch in?

Like that's not selfish? LOL
 

Moonbeam

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If you want to support new parents that's fine, but let the government pay for it rather than the employer. There's no reason why a new parent should be collecting a paycheck from an employer they're doing no work for, and accruing seniority to compete with peers whose own productivity gets dragged down after needing to assume the work of people out on maternity leave.

For millions of years human societies have been 'dragged down' by the burden of raising children. Only in the sick competitive society of individualism has self absorption created an issue.

The self contempt Americans hold themselves in is born by mothers and children.
 
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...then why did the BBC say we didn't give paid maternity leave if that's the federal minimum?

The Federal minimum doesn't specify "paid," simply that new mothers must be given 12 weeks off. The lack of pay means that many mothers don't take the full 12 weeks as they can't afford to.
 
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