hard to be a conservative when your advocating more government spending and taxing.
So "true conservatives" are against all forms of government spending and want a complete end to taxation?
Why? You want to carry my child?
I'm curious if you can ever think beyond your own selfish, narrow view of the world.
and you know what of my world view?
PS I find it amusing that you find my world selfish, while supporting the view point of people that think they should take my money to raise their kids.
and you know what of my world view?
PS I find it amusing that you find my world selfish, while supporting the view point of people that think they should take my money to raise their kids.
Using your logic, we should not invest in anything that doesn't have a very fast payback.
Forget building a railway system that takes 20 years to pay for itself via transportation efficiency.
Screw installing insulation in your house that might take a decade to pay for itself.
Screw implementing regulations that prevent overfishing, let's overfish and collapse the population so that nobody gets any fish 20 years from now.
And say no to paid maternity leave even though it benefits society by strengthening families, encouraging better nutrition at a critical age, and is even responsible for maintaining your fucking asset valuations.
Short-term morons should move to some place where they think like you, where the farmers can't plant jack because they ate all their seed corn, and starve.
You dumb, ideological, and dishonest fuck.So then why don't we mandate employers pay for railways and installing insulation in employee homes? ... Hell, maybe we just cut out government altogether and have employers do everything.
A stupid and often flat-out scaremongering lie. Quite unsurprising....but should we mandate employers give paid time off for them?
To counter and exemplify glenn's choice of argumentative dishonest bluster:No one is arguing the benefits, although some are arguing the means. .... but should we mandate employers give paid time off for them?
In terms of funding for a Canadian worker's EI bank, the legislation if for the employers to collect a portion of the employee's earned wages and to pass that along as that worker's EI contributions to Service Canada. The Employment Benefits entitled to that worker are based upon what they have contributed over the year before they submit for EI services.The Globe and Mail
Maternity leave basics: Canada vs. the U.S.
Maternity and parental benefits provided for the birth or adoption of a baby varies wildly from country to country. The United States is part of a very exclusive group – but not for the reasons you might suspect. It shares the spotlight with Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Liberia and Lesotho as one of the only countries in the world that doesn’t mandate some type of paid maternity leave for new mothers according to a study done by McGill University’s Institute for Health and Social Policy. In fact, when compared to its northern neighbour, the U.S. maternity leave policy is embarrassingly sparse.
Here are some of the big differences between the two countries.
Canada
The Canadian government mandates both a leave and a benefits component, the latter being administered by provincial employment insurance plans. Depending on the length of employment history and the hours worked, new mothers can take between 17 and 52 weeks of leave from their jobs. Their employers are required to accept the employees back into their jobs, or the equivalent, at the end of the mandated leave at the same rate of pay with the same employment benefits.
On top of mandating maternity leave, the government offers paid leave for
one or both parents through Canada’s employment insurance plan. A pregnant employee or new mother can take a paid maternity leave of up to 15 weeks. Either the mother or father can take 35 weeks of parental leave after the baby is born or adopted. The parents can share the leave however they choose. If eligible for the program, the benefits equal 55 per cent of the parent’s average weekly insurable wage, up to a maximum of $485 per week. For low-income families, the rate of benefits can increase to up to 80 per cent, with the same maximum of $485 per week. Employment insurance benefits are taxable in the same way as wages.
United States
In the U.S., the picture for families-to-be is very different. The federal Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) signed into law in 1993 requires employers to provide up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave for several medical conditions, as well as the birth of a baby. If the mother has pre-birth complications, she may be able to take part of the leave under the medical component. Before the law was enacted, the U.S. had no laws requiring that employers provide any leave. There are still gaping holes in the FMLA, however. It exempts small employers, defined as those having fewer than 50 employees. Some states have their own version of the FMLA and have an even lower threshold for employer exemption.
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The Bottom Line
The U.S. has one of the poorest support systems for pregnant women and new mothers in the world. The Canadian system, on the other hand, provides at least a partial ongoing income for almost a year to give families time to adjust to the new addition, as well as a guarantee of re-employment after a lengthy leave.
In Canada, that 2.632% per $100 of wages paid by the employer to Service Canada's Employment Insurance is a legislated component and costs of an employees wage.Service Canada
3. What is EI premium rate for me [employers]?
As of January 1st, 2013,employers will pay a premium rate of $2.632 per $100 of each employee's earnings, up to the annual maximum insurable earnings of $47,400 for each employee. The maximum contribution amount of each employee is $1,247.57.
For employees working in Quebec, employers will pay a premium rate of $2.128 per $100 of each employee's earnings, up to the annual maximum insurable earnings of $47,400 for each employee. The maximum contribution amount for each employeeis $1,008.67.
4. What is the EI premium rate for my employees?
As of January 1st, 2013, for each employee, youneed to deduct $1.88 for each $100 of your employee's salary, up to the maximum insurable earnings of $47,400. The maximum contribution amount for each employee is $891.12. For your employeesworking in Quebec, you need to deduct $1.52 for each $100 of your employee'ssalary, up to the maximum insurable earnings of $47,400. The maximum contribution amount for each employee is $720.48.
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Costs are Truly Shared by Federal and State Government
Operating as a federal-state partnership, UC is based on federal law, but administered by the states. The UC program is unique among U.S. social insurance programs in that it is funded almost totally by either federal or state taxes paid by employers.
Currently, employers pay federal unemployment taxes of 6.2 percent on the first $7,000 earned by each of their employees during a calendar year. These federal taxes are used to cover the costs of administering the UC programs in all states. In addition, the federal UC taxes pay one-half of the cost of extended unemployment benefits (during periods of high unemployment) and provide for a fund from which states may borrow, if necessary, to pay benefits.
State UC tax rates vary from state-to-state. State UC taxes may be used only to pay benefits to unemployed workers. The state UC tax rate paid by employers is based on the state's current unemployment rate. As their unemployment rates go up, the states are required by federal law to raise the UC tax rate paid by employers.
I certainly ain't 'dumb.' Have you submitted well cited compare and contrasts between the USA and Canada upon maternity leave and Employment Insurance systems in either or other jurisdictions?We're not talking about Canada dumbass.
Yes, upon multiple social, health, and economic quantifiable benchmarks, Canada certainly does surpass the USA. Is the USA truly a leader, or an unhealthy, wasteful and excessively costly regressive?This progressive structuring of society would explain why Canada leads the world in, um . . .
You dumb, ideological, and dishonest fuck.
Only this morning I replied to your very same bullshit:
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A stupid and often flat-out scaremongering lie. Quite unsurprising.
As hears ago, unscrupulous and dishonest ideologues such as yourself, glenn, choose to ignore that many states (as in countries for those US-centric myopic readers) with maternity/paternity leave offer payment based upon the EMPLOYEES contribution into to federal or provincial/state Employment Insurance funds.... Not your categorical lie of only employers being on the financial hook.
Children and the health of their raising are societal concerns and therefore warrant the support of government legislation and the use of Employment Insurance funds to retain the health of the employment for their return to the workforce.
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Time to repeat yet again:
To counter and exemplify glenn's choice of argumentative dishonest bluster:
...originally posted 07-02-2013, 10:35 AM
In terms of funding for a Canadian worker's EI bank, the legislation if for the employers to collect a portion of the employee's earned wages and to pass that along as that worker's EI contributions to Service Canada. The Employment Benefits entitled to that worker are based upon what they have contributed over the year before they submit for EI services.
In Canada, that 2.632% per $100 of wages paid by the employer to Service Canada's Employment Insurance is a legislated component and costs of an employees wage.
For a comparison, here is the legislated cost to employers in the USA:
Upon the issue of maternity/paternity paid leave in Canada, the entitlement and source for funding is Employment Insurance. One works to receive it. Trade Apprentices may collect from their paid into fund while in school, a newborn infant also entitles one of the parents insured leave to care for their child. To not do see is viewed as a greater immediate and long term burden plus cost upon society.
This is not a route for a paid vacation by your employer. The rampant and fully on ignorant ideology expressed in this forum is quite repellent and a reflecting disgrace upon the socially retarded state that is the USA. As evident from the OP and the rare decently cited following posts, it is evident that the USA is detrimentally regressive and chooses to bear unnecessary social and health costs for its health. You in the USA choose to keep yourself left behind and in the relative developmental dark, down with states such as Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Liberia and Lesotho...
hard to be a conservative when your advocating more government spending and taxing.
So then why don't we mandate employers pay for railways and installing insulation in employee homes? After all those have a societal benefit just as maternity leave does. Hell, maybe we just cut out government altogether and have employers do everything.
go fuck yourself asshole.
Using your logic, we should not invest in anything that doesn't have a very fast payback.
Forget building a railway system that takes 20 years to pay for itself via transportation efficiency.
Screw installing insulation in your house that might take a decade to pay for itself.
Screw implementing regulations that prevent overfishing, let's overfish and collapse the population so that nobody gets any fish 20 years from now.
And say no to paid maternity leave even though it benefits society by strengthening families, encouraging better nutrition at a critical age, and is even responsible for maintaining your fucking asset valuations.
Short-term morons should move to some place where they think like you, where the farmers can't plant jack because they ate all their seed corn, and starve.
I personally am not a conservative or a liberal or a republican or anything else you can label. I actually look at issues, take in all the relevant data, allow it to roll around in my brain and only then do I form an opinion. Some shit I agree with your side on, some shit I agree with the liberal side and some shit I don't agree with any side because I think for myself and as such its simply impossible to label me in any of those groups.
But since you brought the subject up, I am not truly for more government spending and taxing. I am very much for severe reduction in .mil spending (as in 50-80%) and complete reconstruction of our system of medicine to reduce costs for all parties involved which obviously includes the government. That would mean that you and I would pay less taxes while allowing things that benefit society much more than a new F-35 or F-22.
As a "true conservative" why are you not outraged at the absurd amount of taxes levied upon us to pay for a ridiculously huge military that isn't required to protect our borders? Or do you not mind the defense contractor welfare queens that take many magnitudes more of your money than bettering your societies children?
Exactly.....You need to let that rage out. It's eating you up and it won't hurt me at all. I Know how deep it runs and the pain it conceals.
I said non of those things.
Supports of forcing others to pay for their kids, sure seem to be full of strawman, you guys must have a factory somewhere.
You fucking imbecile, it's the same logic.
First off, paid maternity leave does not necessarily mean the employer pays, and it's considered disability leave in some places, partially or fully funded via employee contributions.
Second of all stop acting like such leave only benefits the parent and child; they benefit society as well. Unfortunately we can't ship your sorry ass out of society so guess what, YOU are part of society, and indirectly benefit.
Throwing a tantrum about this is like moaning about how a portion of your taxes goes to building a railway station in a neighboring city that you don't live directly next to but still indirectly benefits you.
Of all the things to bitch and moan about, paid maternity leave should be among the last. Every day we waste a HUGE amount of money on an oversized military that was built to fight a two-front world war, when the ACTUAL fighting these days is mainly against paramilitary insurgencies, not state actors. Military spending doesn't solve those kinds of problems too well. You need longer-term thinking than "let's bomb them hurr hurr" and to address the root causes.
A man who can't think beyond the short term is no better than an ape. Have a fucking banana and welcome to my Ignore list.
You fucking imbecile, it's the same logic.
First off, paid maternity leave does not necessarily mean the employer pays, and it's considered disability leave in some places, partially or fully funded via employee contributions.
Second of all stop acting like such leave only benefits the parent and child; they benefit society as well. Unfortunately we can't ship your sorry ass out of society so guess what, YOU are part of society, and indirectly benefit.
Throwing a tantrum about this is like moaning about how a portion of your taxes goes to building a railway station in a neighboring city that you don't live directly next to but still indirectly benefits you.
Of all the things to bitch and moan about, paid maternity leave should be among the last. Every day we waste a HUGE amount of money on an oversized military that was built to fight a two-front world war, when the ACTUAL fighting these days is mainly against paramilitary insurgencies, not state actors. Military spending doesn't solve those kinds of problems too well. You need longer-term thinking than "let's bomb them hurr hurr" and to address the root causes.
A man who can't think beyond the short term is no better than an ape. Have a fucking banana and welcome to my Ignore list.
Your not worth it. Your nothing. Your a brainless drone, that repeats some stupid made up world view as if its based in reality. Its sad. Go get some professional help. Because reality is your a piece of shit. And this is the last time I spend a second addressing your word vomit.
Well, there is no government laws that mandate it but *some* companies do provide it.
Sad to hear that. You have so much more rage bottled up inside of you, so much more that you need to express, and a nothing like me is the perfect place for you to dump it. As a nothing, it can't hurt me and it can do you so much good. Remember that even if you try to avoid your anger at yourself that you express at me because you too were made to feel like a nothing, repressing or avoiding it won't help you. I can tell you these things because I already got all that help you think I need. I want you to be free of your pain too. You hate me the most of all that post here because I do not blame you and you hate yourself, causing you to believe you can never be forgiven. When you say I'm sad, you have no idea just how deep my sad was and how deep yours still is. But beyond sad is grieve and that heals. Trust me.
more strawman I see.
Your really raging for handouts here.
Theres a very simple solution to this problem.
If you are going to have a kid, and want 'paid' time off, save your money for that.
Listen, if you aren't smart enough to understand the points, then maybe trying to argue isn't your best choice.
A few months of paid maternity leave? Holy fuck you're generous with other people's money.
Didn't know this was a thread on defense spending.
Another supporter of forcing others to pay for their kids that cant stay on topic.
How many other strawman are you guys going to build?