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cwjerome

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Jack, you are very concerned about how we are looked at by fundamentalist wackos and dictitorial inbreeds. I would suggest that our concern over America's "public image" and our PC tip-toeing has helped cause the problem we face today. The main thing we must understand is we cannot do this correctly if we are worried about our PR image. The world is obsessed with Arab anger... but that shouldn't deter us from doing what needs to be done. Many around the world say that when fighting terror, we must avoid actions that are liable to enrage the Arab world, however effective and justified those actions might be. Let me state a simple retort: Bullshit... the hell with their anger.

Delusional Arab rage should not be veto power over counterterrorist policy. In our modern society, where so much primacy is given to "emotions" and "feelings", it's not surprising that we attach so much meaning to them, but it's still stupid. We will not change their values overnight-- the short term answer is to turn that rage into fear. I believe the threat (and implementation) of destruction and death is the only motivator that will work at this time. I really do think this harsh approach is the only solution and will actually *save lives* on both sides.

This cannot be done until the world ends its obsession with Arab anger (which is actually a largely anti-American and/or anti-semitic manifestation) Many wish to legitimize Arab rage and stress the "root causes" of terrorism. They say terrorists who murder children have some reason for doing so, which after investigation, will lead the rest of us to better understand them. Of course no perceived or actual wrong can justify the targeted mass slaughter of innocent civilians. Besides, careful -and honest- investigations into the so-called root causes of terrorism will lead to one nasty conclusion: They are brainwashed into lies, hatred, and violence.

According to these people I am an enemy of God. I am part of the Great Satan. Proclamations have been made to steal my wealth, hurt me, murder me. Their rage is overwhelming... but it's directed at a boogeyman instead of the religious and political leaders that have failed their people so completely. They do not seem angry that they live poorly while nobility lead ultra-rich lifestyles. They do not seem angry that Arafat has embezzled more than a billion dollars of aid money while his people rot. They are angry enough to explode bombs on Israeli women and children, yet not fazed that local terror leaders seduce their children into murder with the absurd promise that such acts will grant them 72 virgins in heaven. I don't know if I've ever seen such racism, religious intolerance, sexism, child abuse, and despotism... but damn it all THEY SURE ARE ANGRY!!! Boo-hoo

By catering to the murderous rage of terrorists and their supporters, we only promote more... more anger, more violence, more death. If we are going to win the war on terror, we need to stop becoming distracted with what may or may not enrage Arab radicals, and focus on what's going to defeat the terorrist assault: overwhelming force on those who encourage it, and, restructuring the type of society they live in.

Message to umbrella: I've never seen someone take up so much space and say so little. Like a kid throwing a tantrum... you have nothing to offer. You actually think that I can't support our actions in Iraq because I'm not on the front lines getting shot at? Yeah... uh, that's like, so logical. Great point dude. Keep it up.


 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Message to umbrella: I've never seen someone take up so much space and say so little. Like a kid throwing a tantrum... you have nothing to offer. You actually think that I can't support our actions in Iraq because I'm not on the front lines getting shot at? Yeah... uh, that's like, so logical. Great point dude. Keep it up.

Yawn. Faith without works is dead. Iraq awaits you and your big talk. :roll:
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Jack, you are very concerned about how we are looked at by fundamentalist wackos and dictitorial inbreeds. I would suggest that our concern over America's "public image" and our PC tip-toeing has helped cause the problem we face today. The main thing we must understand is we cannot do this correctly if we are worried about our PR image. The world is obsessed with Arab anger... but that shouldn't deter us from doing what needs to be done. Many around the world say that when fighting terror, we must avoid actions that are liable to enrage the Arab world, however effective and justified those actions might be. Let me state a simple retort: Bullshit... the hell with their anger.

Delusional Arab rage should not be veto power over counterterrorist policy. In our modern society, where so much primacy is given to "emotions" and "feelings", it's not surprising that we attach so much meaning to them, but it's still stupid. We will not change their values overnight-- the short term answer is to turn that rage into fear. I believe the threat (and implementation) of destruction and death is the only motivator that will work at this time. I really do think this harsh approach is the only solution and will actually *save lives* on both sides.

This cannot be done until the world ends its obsession with Arab anger (which is actually a largely anti-American and/or anti-semitic manifestation) Many wish to legitimize Arab rage and stress the "root causes" of terrorism. They say terrorists who murder children have some reason for doing so, which after investigation, will lead the rest of us to better understand them. Of course no perceived or actual wrong can justify the targeted mass slaughter of innocent civilians. Besides, careful -and honest- investigations into the so-called root causes of terrorism will lead to one nasty conclusion: They are brainwashed into lies, hatred, and violence.

According to these people I am an enemy of God. I am part of the Great Satan. Proclamations have been made to steal my wealth, hurt me, murder me. Their rage is overwhelming... but it's directed at a boogeyman instead of the religious and political leaders that have failed their people so completely. They do not seem angry that they live poorly while nobility lead ultra-rich lifestyles. They do not seem angry that Arafat has embezzled more than a billion dollars of aid money while his people rot. They are angry enough to explode bombs on Israeli women and children, yet not fazed that local terror leaders seduce their children into murder with the absurd promise that such acts will grant them 72 virgins in heaven. I don't know if I've ever seen such racism, religious intolerance, sexism, child abuse, and despotism... but damn it all THEY SURE ARE ANGRY!!! Boo-hoo

By catering to the murderous rage of terrorists and their supporters, we only promote more... more anger, more violence, more death. If we are going to win the war on terror, we need to stop becoming distracted with what may or may not enrage Arab radicals, and focus on what's going to defeat the terorrist assault: overwhelming force on those who encourage it, and, restructuring the type of society they live in.

Message to umbrella: I've never seen someone take up so much space and say so little. Like a kid throwing a tantrum... you have nothing to offer. You actually think that I can't support our actions in Iraq because I'm not on the front lines getting shot at? Yeah... uh, that's like, so logical. Great point dude. Keep it up.

Here's another pint or two on me

Great post once again, cwjerome.:beer::beer:

CsG
 

Infohawk

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Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Here's another pint or two on me

Great post once again, cwjerome.:beer::beer:

CsG

I'm not clear on what was great about that post? I mean didn't it just say Arabs are angry and it doesn't matter why?
 

fjord

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Feb 18, 2004
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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Jack, you are very concerned about how we are looked at by fundamentalist wackos and dictitorial inbreeds.

Need I even say it...

OK, I will say it.

I, for one--am more concerned by how we are administrated by them.

Oy.
 

GoPackGo

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Oct 10, 2003
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: LongAce
Bush can never finish anything he does. Traitor...

Fixed.

Spelling corrected, too.


Kerry does finish things...he ended the Vietnam war which led to finishing of 2 million Cambodians.
 

Gagabiji

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CsG, you keep criticizing John Kerry, but you have failed to mention anything about Bush you like. He said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He now admits that there were never any, and that was the principle reason to invade Iraq. How can you vote for a man that lies to you? How can you vote for a man that uses this war as an excuse to get rich off of the oil in Iraq. By the way, one of the other things that your selective hearing didn't catch is that Kerry stated that in Iraq, nothing was guarded but the oil facilities. I could go on and on but I don't have time right now. I'm sorry, but it is just beyond me why people think Bush is such a great thing.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Many wish to legitimize Arab rage and stress the "root causes" of terrorism. They say terrorists who murder children have some reason for doing so, which after investigation, will lead the rest of us to better understand them.

Yes!! Exactly right! Liberals concept of relativism has led them to try to sympathize with murders. "It's their choice to murder. If we can only understand why they do it, we can avoid doing those things in the future, and take a more sympathetic approach with them." cwjerome, I welcome your presence on these boards, spreading your infinite wisdom. Where did you come from?
 

maluckey

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umbrella39

I also find it hard to believe you were ever a combat soldier, having been one for many years now myself, both RA and AGR. I find your point of view to be distinctly non-combat and bordering on a REMF-like attitude. If you were a REMF, then drive on and leave the fighting to us. Sure, I thank you for your support of me and my buds, but if you went around spouting off about things you don't know about (combat soldier POV), then please leave the driving to us, step off and move along smartly please.
 

cwjerome

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Sep 30, 2004
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Thanks rob

I'm just tired of people not realizing just how things have changed, and we must change also. For too long we have issued meaningless verbal reprimands, toothless trade sanctions, and an occasional random cruise missle on some empty building. Meanwhile, we invite these people to sporting events and award peace prizes to their leaders. Is it any wonder that terrorist attacks only got owrose and worse? Bush's "axis of evil" talk is just what the world needed... a reality check. It's the smack in the face all countries needed... they can wallow in their shallow anti-Americanism while the world drifts toward tragedy, but we're going to do something about it.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: maluckey
umbrella39

I also find it hard to believe you were ever a combat soldier, having been one for many years now myself, both RA and AGR. I find your point of view to be distinctly non-combat and bordering on a REMF-like attitude. If you were a REMF, then drive on and leave the fighting to us. Sure, I thank you for your support of me and my buds, but if you went around spouting off about things you don't know about (combat soldier POV), then please leave the driving to us, step off and move along smartly please.

Yawnnnnnnn. I could care less what you think, really. Care to refute anything I posted or are you just pissing into a thread I have not replied to in almost a week? You want to compare dick sizes when it comes to being a soldier, then have fun wagging yours in the air. My service record and yours has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on in Iraq right now. I am sure if you asked Uncle Sam nicely, he would let you go right over. Have fun. I'll stay here with my family and pray for your safe return. This pretty much the stupidest post I have seen in some time and I feel like I have dropped a few IQ points having even responded to your tripe.

Salutes you with one finger. U.S. Army, E5 Sergeant, 1981-1987

:roll:
 
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