WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[loic2003]

whatever you do, don't blame the gun laws. This guy would have done exactly the same damage if he didn't have access to a gun. Hell, he could kill that many people with just a knife or a spoon, and you'd have to ban those too if you banned guns. Certainly, no background check is needed before you sell a firearm, too... that would just encroach upon the freedom of god-loving americans.

Guns are not a problem... repeat... guns are not a problem... guns are not a problem... hey, I think it's working!


It's a tragic event, but inevitable.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
My friend is an EMT and he just came and we were talking. I didn't want to bring it up because I didn't want him to have to relive it, but he told me a few scenes and they were just absolutely horrific. Instances that I can't even imagine. I wish I could have done something more today instead of running around in the dorm

-Kevin

What did he see?

He said, Helicopters couldn't land because there were 50 mph winds. So they had to get people to Roanoke hospital after the other hospital was filled. He described some of the things in the ambulance that doesn't need saying.

He also said that the people who went in to do the initial tagging of the bodies came out and were just completely shocked- they had completely lost it.

Norris he said, from the very limited amount he saw (He didn't go in, but volunteered to) was just covered in blood- absolutely covered. He heard the gunmen had 2 ammo vests strapped on and they were lined with clips. Bodies...

So incredibly tragic- When I heard it was just like- Omg man- Just speechless.

-Kevin

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: invidia
Let's all be ignorant and start blaming TV and video games now. I'll bet the next 6-10 months will be debates and arguments on who to blame instead of remembering and mourning the victims.

Typical Americans.

who the hell do you think makes the video games and TV in the first place? Those who cry out against violence in things such as TV/movies/videogames are a minority

typical non americans always stereotyping us as all idiots - you idiots

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: loic2003
whatever you do, don't blame the gun laws. This guy would have done exactly the same damage if he didn't have access to a gun. Hell, he could kill that many people with just a knife or a spoon, and you'd have to ban those too if you banned guns. Certainly, no background check is needed before you sell a firearm, too... that would just encroach upon the freedom of god-loving americans.

Guns are not a problem... repeat... guns are not a problem... guns are not a problem... hey, I think it's working!


It's a tragic event, but inevitable.

So how do you propose we make guns disappear? We can't keep them out of prisions or keep drugs out of our country despite spending billions on that a year. Lets hear the viable solution to make all the guns we currently have go away and to keep more guns from coming in and being as easy to get as illegal drugs. Put away that drippy sarcasm and tell me what your plan would be.

Also would you have something to say to the people that have used a firearm to defend themselves if you wanted to take them away? Sometimes the equalizing power of a gun is very necessary.

So really with all the tons of gun laws on the books already do you really think we were just 1 more gun law short of stopping this tragedy?

 

[Qianglong]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: Qianglong
RIP to the victims

I hope the University president is forced to step down for his indecision.

I feel for the victims too but wishing unemployment on the University president for something out of the range of his control is a bit extreme. This was a tragedy and couldn't have been reasonably expected.

The university's president and his indecision could be one of the crucial factors that affected the outcome of this tragedy.

He is basing everything on assumption, assuming that the shooter in the first round at the dorm has left campus and decided to keep the school open. I can barely comprehend how he can leave a school running when clearly two people are killed ON CAMPUS, without concrete knowledge on who or where the gunner is.

To me, that is like a bomb going off in the residence causing two deaths and ASSUMING that there are no more bombs else where and call it day and proceed with business as normal.

 

[IHAVEAQUESTION]

Originally posted by: Qianglong

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: Qianglong
RIP to the victims

I hope the University president is forced to step down for his indecision.

I feel for the victims too but wishing unemployment on the University president for something out of the range of his control is a bit extreme. This was a tragedy and couldn't have been reasonably expected.

The university's president and his indecision could be one of the crucial factors that affected the outcome of this tragedy.

He is basing everything on assumption, assuming that the shooter in the first round at the dorm has left campus and decided to keep the school open. I can barely comprehend how he can leave a school running when clearly two people are killed ON CAMPUS, without concrete knowledge on who or where the gunner is.

To me, that is like a bomb going off in the residence causing two deaths and ASSUMING that there are no more bombs else where and call it day and proceed with business as normal.

It's easy for you to say that now. This is typical of a police response to a shooting scene. Which shooter wouldn't fleet miles away after the crime committed? The police and the administrators have reasons to believe that the shooter was off the campus because that's what the logic and the experience told you.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: exdeath
This incident makes a mockery of the people who defeated this bill last year:

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Lessons:

1) gun control doesn't work; people intent on doing harm will do it anyway
2) denying people the means to defend themselves and their peers makes them helpless victims
3) this person used two simple 9mm handguns, not AR15s, not AK47s, not Tec9s, or any kind of evil plastic ""high powered high capacity military style semiautomatic assault weapon with a bayonet attachment""; just two simple easily (illegally) concealed 9mm handguns

Lessons we repeat over and over and over again while we watch out fellow citizens get gunned down because some people just won't accept that threat of justified lawful gun violence is the only EFFECTIVE solution to criminal gun violence. Instead we will keep cutting away human rights, installing more metal detectors, making our lives more inconvenient, etc. And we gain nothing in return but continued and increased violence from murderers who now know where to go to find easy targets.

 

[Luthien]

I have to agree with those that have posted basically "why wasn't the campus closed."

However if it was closed I have no doubt that the gunman would have still killed more people either in the same location faster or in another location because of the close down.

He obviously was a very determined killer knowing he was not going to give up alive hence a very dangerous and commited person just like suicide bombers etc.

Anyone else see that picture of the four cops carrying out a wounded person one on each leg and followed by others. I find that very disturbing. No, firemans carry? I would think that would be less traumatic than four people one on each limb...

Lot of hindsight is 20/20 going to happen.

 

[IHAVEAQUESTION]

Well, you have to do what you have to do. Under that circumstance, if carrying a wounded person on each limb will get him faster to the hospital, so be it. The style is the last I care about.

 

[Luthien]

Isn't it disgusting how the knews advertises the tragedy like they are advertising an action packed movie.

 

[Qianglong]

The society needs to stop the bickering of gun control but rather focus on the mental health.

 

[Luthien]

Imagine what the police and military can do with an unarmed public...

It is interesting, very interesting that schools in the USA unlike any other country in the world the news is reporting is alone in school gun violence with students killing students.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Luthien
Imagine what the police and military can do with an unarmed public...

It is interesting, very interesting that schools in the USA unlike any other country in the world the news is reporting is alone in school gun violence with students killing students.

That post makes no sense.

 

[avi85]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: Luthien
Imagine what the police and military can do with an unarmed public...

It is interesting, very interesting that schools in the USA unlike any other country in the world the news is reporting is alone in school gun violence with students killing students.

That post makes no sense.

qft, sounds like he's stoned or something...

 

[Luthien]

???

 

[tuteja1986]

OHH GOD ! THE ****** BETTER NOT SAY GRAND THEFT AUTO OR ANY PC GAME MADE HIM !!

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
OHH GOD ! THE ****** BETTER NOT SAY GRAND THEFT AUTO OR ANY PC GAME MADE HIM !!

Hmmm, are you buddhist?

 

[Luthien]

Heck why not blame the governments if they gotta point a finger at video games and movies.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Oh fvck...this just in...

At latest press conference (8 PM) police say that descriptions of the gunman from West AJ (dorm shooting) and Norris Hall (class shooting) do not match.

They are now again saying there might be a second gunman.

edit: They have a person of interest they are seeking for the first shooting, the gunman from the second shooting is confirmed dead.

Eyewitness reports are historically unreliable. Reporters are even worse.

white people cant tell us apart

 

[Azraele]

Lessons we repeat over and over and over again while we watch out fellow citizens get gunned down because some people just won't accept that threat of justified lawful gun violence is the only EFFECTIVE solution to criminal gun violence.

I think it's disgusting that this was even brought up, like it's a crusade for advocates of gun rights. :disgust: Schools have trained police and security to lawfully protect the students. This is not the old west.

At any rate, to answer to the other discussion, the choice to not close the school was a bad one I think.

 

[GoingUp]

I sign onto CNN.com this morning to read 34 STUDENTS SLAUGHTERED.

God I love the sensonalization of all of this #@)$(&#@(*$&#@$. No respect for the families. Why don't any of the news outlets have any common sense to maybe list it as:

Virgina Tech Tragedy. 34 students die in schooling or something like that.

Its gotta be, 34 students slaughtered, or 34 students massacred or 34 students executed.

@)(&%#)(*$&@#$)(* news media

 

[Luthien]

Confirmed that the killer in the northhall was a student. No name or picture yet.

 

[Luthien]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
I sign onto CNN.com this morning to read 34 STUDENTS SLAUGHTERED.

God I love the sensonalization of all of this #@)$(&#@(*$&#@$. No respect for the families. Why don't any of the news outlets have any common sense to maybe list it as:

Virgina Tech Tragedy. 34 students die in schooling or something like that.

Its gotta be, 34 students slaughtered, or 34 students massacred or 34 students executed.

@)(&%#)(*$&@#$)(* news media

Yep, it is being reported like a hot new action packed movie with the same people that do the movie adverts sensational voices advertising breaking news and upcomming news events on it etc. This from the people that wanna blame games for violence while hypocritically they advertise violence like that to make MO MONEY!

 

[GTaudiophile]

I am totally speechless at the possibility that two, totally unrelated shooting events, ended up occurring on the SAME day within hours of each other.

 

[Luthien]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I am totally speechless at the possibility that two, totally unrelated shooting events, ended up occurring on the SAME day within hours of each other.

Ditto, that. Might be another person and could easily be the same guy since so much time passed between the events. If it was totally unrelated and it was a murder suicide then those folks probably saved lives since the police were already on campus.