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Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Too bad he didn't pull the trigger taking this pic. Watching his videos on NBC is disgusting. NBC has no shame and apparently no compassion for the victims families. I can't imagine how they must feel watching the murderer ranting on national TV. NBC is really aiming for and reaching a new low.

Seeing the pics and videos it occurs to me that mentally ill people are going to need to be dealt with differently in this country in the future. As it stands now most are left to go homeless or to prison or are released back into the public like this maniac was. Whatever happened to insane asylums?
 

glutenberg

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Sep 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: Conky
Too bad he didn't pull the trigger taking this pic. Watching his videos on NBC is disgusting. NBC has no shame and apparently no compassion for the victims families. I can't imagine how they must feel watching the murderer ranting on national TV. NBC is really aiming for and reaching a new low.

Seeing the pics and videos it occurs to me that mentally ill people are going to need to be dealt with differently in this country in the future. As it stands now most are left to go homeless or to prison or are released back into the public like this maniac was. Whatever happened to insane asylums?

You watched the video didn't you? What forced you to look?
 

jpeyton

Moderator in SFF, Notebooks, Pre-Built/Barebones
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Aug 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: Conky
I can't imagine how they must feel watching the murderer ranting on national TV.
I sincerely doubt any of them are participating or watching this media circus any more than is required.
NBC is really aiming for and reaching a new low.
Actually a new high, as far as their ratings go.
...released back into the public like this maniac was.
This guy was never locked up.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: Conky
Too bad he didn't pull the trigger taking this pic. Watching his videos on NBC is disgusting. NBC has no shame and apparently no compassion for the victims families. I can't imagine how they must feel watching the murderer ranting on national TV. NBC is really aiming for and reaching a new low.

Seeing the pics and videos it occurs to me that mentally ill people are going to need to be dealt with differently in this country in the future. As it stands now most are left to go homeless or to prison or are released back into the public like this maniac was. Whatever happened to insane asylums?
I strongly recommend reading the entire interview with this top forensic psychiatrist concerning Cho:

Cho Likely Schizophrenic, Evidence Suggests
 

Jawo

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Jun 15, 2005
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I am not defending NBC, but they are simply reporting what they received in the mail. He could have addressed it to anyone, but he chose NBC.

IMHO, FOX and CNN are much worse pestering the sad souls who lost loved ones.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jawo
I am not defending NBC, but they are simply reporting what they received in the mail. He could have addressed it to anyone, but he chose NBC.

IMHO, FOX and CNN are much worse pestering the sad souls who lost loved ones.
True, but I don't know how much of this needs to be on National TV. All we need is more copycat killers.

 

jpeyton

Moderator in SFF, Notebooks, Pre-Built/Barebones
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Aug 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: Conky
True, but I don't know how much of this needs to be on National TV. All we need is more copycat killers.
Wouldn't learning more details about the killer lead to better profiling of future potential killers, giving us a higher probability of stopping them?
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: fallenangel99
The pictures sent to NBC are at msnbc.com now.

Check out his "from" address on the USPS envelope - A. Ishmael
He used hollow-points (one of the pictures from the slideshow).

Yikes!

That explains why he was so lethal....
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Conky
Too bad he didn't pull the trigger taking this pic. Watching his videos on NBC is disgusting. NBC has no shame and apparently no compassion for the victims families. I can't imagine how they must feel watching the murderer ranting on national TV. NBC is really aiming for and reaching a new low.

Seeing the pics and videos it occurs to me that mentally ill people are going to need to be dealt with differently in this country in the future. As it stands now most are left to go homeless or to prison or are released back into the public like this maniac was. Whatever happened to insane asylums?

NBC is disgusting for airing the videos and showing no compassion for the victims families, yet you felt compelled to watch the videos?

Gotta love it!
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
10,709
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Conky
Too bad he didn't pull the trigger taking this pic. Watching his videos on NBC is disgusting. NBC has no shame and apparently no compassion for the victims families. I can't imagine how they must feel watching the murderer ranting on national TV. NBC is really aiming for and reaching a new low.

Seeing the pics and videos it occurs to me that mentally ill people are going to need to be dealt with differently in this country in the future. As it stands now most are left to go homeless or to prison or are released back into the public like this maniac was. Whatever happened to insane asylums?

NBC is disgusting for airing the videos and showing no compassion for the victims families, yet you felt compelled to watch the videos?

Gotta love it!
The TV is off now. I can't unsee what I saw.

However, I still think that the family members didn't need to see this and I don't see how these videos help in any way. If anything you can expect the next copycat to have a much better video.

 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Conky
True, but I don't know how much of this needs to be on National TV. All we need is more copycat killers.
Wouldn't learning more details about the killer lead to better profiling of future potential killers, giving us a higher probability of stopping them?
Get back to P&N and stop stalking me, freak.

 

Mill

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Conky
True, but I don't know how much of this needs to be on National TV. All we need is more copycat killers.
Wouldn't learning more details about the killer lead to better profiling of future potential killers, giving us a higher probability of stopping them?
Get back to P&N and stop stalking me, freak.

I don't see anything wrong with what jpeyton said. In fact, I agree with it.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Conky
True, but I don't know how much of this needs to be on National TV. All we need is more copycat killers.
Wouldn't learning more details about the killer lead to better profiling of future potential killers, giving us a higher probability of stopping them?
Get back to P&N and stop stalking me, freak.

I don't see anything wrong with what jpeyton said. In fact, I agree with it.
He dogs me on any post I make.

And to address his point. I don't think airing these videos on national TV is going to result in "learning". The FBI and law enforcement can get use of it without them making a star out of this murderer. This guy mentions the Columbine killers so it seems unwise to throw fuel on this fire.

 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Who wants to place bets that Bill O'Reilly will attack NBC News for airing the tapes tonight on "The Factor"?
 

jpeyton

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Aug 23, 2003
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According to MSNBC, the killer mentions being crucified like Jesus Christ in his video.

Let's not make the reactionary leap from Christianity to violence, like we so often wrongly do with psychotic Muslim violence.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
According to MSNBC, the killer mentions being crucified like Jesus Christ in his video.

Let's not make the reactionary leap from Christianity to violence, like we so often wrongly do with psychotic Muslim violence.

He also called Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold of Columbine martyrs.
 

Mill

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Conky
True, but I don't know how much of this needs to be on National TV. All we need is more copycat killers.
Wouldn't learning more details about the killer lead to better profiling of future potential killers, giving us a higher probability of stopping them?
Get back to P&N and stop stalking me, freak.

I don't see anything wrong with what jpeyton said. In fact, I agree with it.
He dogs me on any post I make.

And to address his point. I don't think airing these videos on national TV is going to result in "learning". The FBI and law enforcement can get use of it without them making a star out of this murderer. This guy mentions the Columbine killers so it seems unwise to throw fuel on this fire.

I don't know what the FBI and the police have to do with it. It was obvious that had there been a better recognition of his danger that more people would have taken him seriously. Obviously several professors and students did, but apparently the mental health folks did not. Besides, the Police and FBI don't live in a vacuum. They watch the news like anyone else, and it isn't like they get daily memos about what to look for in nutjobs. Overall, it would be prudent for all individuals to recognize the signs of mental illness and possible violence, and not just the Police and FBI. They Police and FBI are more of a reactive than proactive response. They are not the first line of defense. Peers, family, teachers, and acquaintances are. They are the ones that would benefit from having more information on this troubled shooter and a way to recognize the signs.

I think people need to get over the "copycat" aspect of it all. It is extremely rare for a copycat killer to be very sucessful after such an event. As the months and years pass by there will be more individuals like Cho, and people need to have an understanding of what kind of behavior is unacceptable and should be pursued. It isn't like school shooters are all copycats of each others. That would be like saying all armed robbers are copycats of past armed robbers. Of course humans get an idea or learn from past things, but not to the extent that a total news blackout would prevent them from gaining the macro idea of it all.

It is more important to understand what made this guy into what he was, and then how to sucessfully deal with individuals like him. Of course there's going to be an overreaction that leads to a lot of innocent but slightly troubled people getting profiled, but that comes with human nature.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Posting this again on the new page for those that want to see it.

Hot Air has the NBC video. Click through and scroll down.
 

jpeyton

Moderator in SFF, Notebooks, Pre-Built/Barebones
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Aug 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: jpeyton
According to MSNBC, the killer mentions being crucified like Jesus Christ in his video.

Let's not make the reactionary leap from Christianity to violence, like we so often wrongly do with psychotic Muslim violence.

He also called Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold of Columbine martyrs.
His materials also had a repeated image of a heart with a Christian cross inside it.
 
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