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Originally posted by: Queasy
WaPo has a detailed moment by moment detail of the shootings.
The teacher and his dozen students had heard too much, though they had not seen anything yet. They had heard a girl?s piercing scream in the hallway. They had heard the pops and more pops. By the time the gunman reached the room, many of the students were on the window ledge. There was grass below, not concrete, and even some shrubs. The old professor was at the door, which would not lock, pushing against it, when the gunman pushed from the other side. Some of the students jumped, others prepared to jump until Librescu could hold the door no longer and the gunman forced his way inside.

Matt Webster, a 23-year-old engineering student from Smithfield, Va., was one of four students inside when the gunman appeared. ?He was decked out like he was going to war,? Webster recalled. ?Black vest, extra ammunition clips, everything.? Again, his look was blank, just a stare, no expression, as he started shooting. The first shot hit Librescu in the head, killing him. Webster ducked to the floor and tucked himself into a ball. He shut his eyes and listened as the gunman walked to the back of the classroom. Two other students were huddled by the wall. He shot a girl, and she cried out. Now the shooter was three feet away, pointing his gun right at Webster.

?I felt something hit my head, but I was still conscious,? Webster recalled. The bullet had grazed his hairline, then ricocheted through his upper right arm. He played dead. ?I lay there and let him think he had done his job. I wasn?t moving at all, hoping he wouldn?t come back.? The gunman left the room as suddenly as he had come in.

How lucky do you think Cho's roommates feel right now?

I am reading this and thought back to the "fight or flight" thread. Some of them did indeed take action:

There was a heavy rectangular table in the class, and he and two other students pushed it against the door. No sooner had they fixed it in place than someone pushed hard from the outside. It was the gunman. He forced it open about six inches, but no farther. Petkowicz and his classmates pushed back, not letting up. The gunman fired two shots through the door. One hit the lectern and sent wood scraps and metal flying. Neither hit any of the students. They could hear a clip dropping, the distinct, awful sound of reloading. And, again, the gunman moved on.

There was more carnage in the hallway. Kevin Granata had heard the commotion in his third-floor office and ran downstairs. He was a military veteran, very protective of his students. He was gunned down trying to confront the shooter.
 

Queasy

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Cho's uncle and grandmother speak

Cho Seung-hui left South Korea with his family in 1992 to seek a better life in the United States, Cho's uncle ? his mother's younger brother ? told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. Cho killed himself along with students and teachers at Virginia Tech in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history.

Cho "didn't talk much when he was young. He was very quiet, but he didn't display any peculiarities to suggest he may have problems," said the uncle, who requested to be identified only by his last name, Kim. "We were concerned about him being too quiet and encouraged him to talk more."

Kim, who said he was in his mid-50s, said he could not recognize Cho when his picture was shown on television because Cho's family had not visited South Korea since they left 15 years ago.

"I am devastated," Kim said between heavy sighs. "I don't know what I can tell the victims' families and the U.S. citizens. I sincerely apologize ... as a family member."

Kim said his sister occasionally called, around holidays, but had never mentioned having any problems with Cho.

"She said the children were studying well. She didn't seem worried about her children at all," Kim told AP. "She just talked about how hard she had to work to make a living, to support the children."

Kim said Cho's parents ran a small used-book store before they left for the U.S., where they hoped to make a better living and provide Cho and his sister with a better education.

"They had trouble making ends meet in Korea. The book store they had didn't turn much profit," Kim said. He said he has been unable to reach Cho's mother since the massacre.

Cho's maternal grandfather also told local newspapers that relatives were concerned about Cho not talking much as a child.

Cho "troubled his parents a lot when he was young because he couldn't speak well, but was well-behaved," the grandfather, who was identified by only his last name Kim, told the Dong-a Ilbo daily.

In a separate interview with the Hankyoreh newspaper, Kim, 81, said the relatives were worried that Cho might even be mute.

Meanwhile, South Koreans mourned the deaths of those killed at a special church service Thursday, some fighting back tears from the guilt that a fellow South Korean was responsible for the massacre.

About 130 people gathered at Myeongdong Cathedral in central Seoul, casting their heads low as they sang hymns and prayed for the souls of those killed. A small table adorned with white flowers, candles and a U.S. flag was set up in the center of the chapel in memory of the victims.

"As a mother myself, my heart really aches as if it happened to my own children," said Bang Myung-lan, a 48-year-old housewife, holding back tears. "As a Korean, I am deeply sorry for the deceased."

"Among the 32 killed were bright students who could have contributed greatly to society, and it's a big loss for all of us," Cardinal Nicolas Cheong Jin-suk told parishioners. "As a South Korean, I can't help feeling apologetic about how a Korean man caused such a shocking incident."

The cardinal said everyone should work together to prevent a recurrence of "such an unfortunate event."

"It is beyond my understanding how such a thing can occur ? especially to think a Korean is responsible for this," said 68-year-old Lee Chun-ja after the service. "It really tears my heart. Something like this should never happen again."

In an editorial, the Hankyoreh newspaper wrote Thursday that Cho's case illustrated a problem faced by many South Korean immigrants in the U.S., where parents are too busy at work to take care of their children.

"It is the reality of our immigrants that parents are so busy making a living that it's not easy for them to have dialogue with young children," the newspaper wrote.

"We should think about whether our society or our (Korean) community abroad has been negligent in preventing conditions that could lead to such an aberration," it said.
 

jinduy

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Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

Where did you find that?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.
where did you quote that from?
 

toekramp

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Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

shens.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

No excuse, not at all.

But wow, what happened to tolerance and diversity? What happened to teaching kids to brush it off and not care what other people say about them and all that stuff?

I don't know that this is the case here, but people like Cho are bred here in the USA every day when our K-12 schools teach our young children that they are special and perfect and that their self esteem is impenetrable.

And they go out into the real world and can't cope with people who are rude or don't give them the special treatment and accommodation they were taught to expect.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Conky
True, but I don't know how much of this needs to be on National TV. All we need is more copycat killers.
Wouldn't learning more details about the killer lead to better profiling of future potential killers, giving us a higher probability of stopping them?
Get back to P&N and stop stalking me, freak.

I don't see anything wrong with what jpeyton said. In fact, I agree with it.
He dogs me on any post I make.

And to address his point. I don't think airing these videos on national TV is going to result in "learning". The FBI and law enforcement can get use of it without them making a star out of this murderer. This guy mentions the Columbine killers so it seems unwise to throw fuel on this fire.

I don't know what the FBI and the police have to do with it. It was obvious that had there been a better recognition of his danger that more people would have taken him seriously. Obviously several professors and students did, but apparently the mental health folks did not. Besides, the Police and FBI don't live in a vacuum. They watch the news like anyone else, and it isn't like they get daily memos about what to look for in nutjobs. Overall, it would be prudent for all individuals to recognize the signs of mental illness and possible violence, and not just the Police and FBI. They Police and FBI are more of a reactive than proactive response. They are not the first line of defense. Peers, family, teachers, and acquaintances are. They are the ones that would benefit from having more information on this troubled shooter and a way to recognize the signs.

I think people need to get over the "copycat" aspect of it all. It is extremely rare for a copycat killer to be very sucessful after such an event. As the months and years pass by there will be more individuals like Cho, and people need to have an understanding of what kind of behavior is unacceptable and should be pursued. It isn't like school shooters are all copycats of each others. That would be like saying all armed robbers are copycats of past armed robbers. Of course humans get an idea or learn from past things, but not to the extent that a total news blackout would prevent them from gaining the macro idea of it all.

It is more important to understand what made this guy into what he was, and then how to sucessfully deal with individuals like him. Of course there's going to be an overreaction that leads to a lot of innocent but slightly troubled people getting profiled, but that comes with human nature.

Here's my take on the NBC package: Just another display of how truly fake, and weak this person was. He spent his life looking away from people, down, never speaking, ignoring the possibly few attempts that anyone made to help him. He projected himself has someone who didn't need attention, who didn't need to be accepted...who "knew" something that made him better than everyone else perhaps, whatever it took to convince himself.

So then, he sends this package with pics, video, letters. Hell, his roommate of 1 year said that watching clips of the video was the first time he had ever heard his voice! He barely even recognized him. Clearly, he wanted people to know him, he wanted to be remembered. He felt that he had some grand purpose...Why then give him the freaking satisfaction (postumous though it may be), of showing this ****** all over the place? It's what he wanted. I don't think he deserves that respect. I do think, however, he deserved a better chance in life before he went on his rampage, but nothing can be done about that anymore. Those that "knew" him before this said they couldn't even recognize him in that video. The image he then projects to the world isn't even himself. ...It's who he wants to be.

Sure, it's important for the FBI and other authorities to investigate and use this material to learn what they can of such a psycopath's mind, but it seems quite unnecessary to inundate the media with these images over and over...It would just mean that he "won."

Also, it was said that the Columbine deuchebags were heros of his. Not sure if it was just media speculation at the time or they have testimony to that effect, but clearly he learned a lot from the media coverage of that massacre. They've been talking to Columbine survivors these last few days, and the majority of them said that those first couple of days were made especially difficult because of teh swarming media not allowing the community time to grieve. Now, some other psychos are getting a pretty extensive course in how to successfully commit mass murder. So, saying that copycats aren't that successful doesn't really hold water. This asshat was pretty freaking successful....
 

jinduy

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Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

shens.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

No excuse, not at all.

But wow, what happened to tolerance and diversity? What happened to teaching kids to brush it off and not care what other people say about them and all that stuff?

I don't know that this is the case here, but people like Cho are bred here in the USA every day when our K-12 schools teach our young children that they are special and perfect and that their self esteem is impenetrable.

And they go out into the real world and can't cope with people who are rude or don't give them the special treatment and accommodation they were taught to expect.

Every person has their limits. He seemingly tolerated the mistreatment throughout Middle School and High School and most of College. I'd imagine something pushed him over that edge between his sanity and insanity.

He's also, to begin with, an introvert which means he will always have a harder time being accepted and asking for help. It's not an excuse but it's his reasoning and whether you agree with it or not, I imagine it plagues the minds of many children. I doubt Cho was looking for special treatment but being moved from your native country at a young age and then to encounter ridicule and racism on a macro scale will do wonders on ones mental growth.
 

jinduy

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

No excuse, not at all.

But wow, what happened to tolerance and diversity? What happened to teaching kids to brush it off and not care what other people say about them and all that stuff?

I don't know that this is the case here, but people like Cho are bred here in the USA every day when our K-12 schools teach our young children that they are special and perfect and that their self esteem is impenetrable.

And they go out into the real world and can't cope with people who are rude or don't give them the special treatment and accommodation they were taught to expect.

Every person has their limits. He seemingly tolerated the mistreatment throughout Middle School and High School and most of College. I'd imagine something pushed him over that edge between his sanity and insanity.

He's also, to begin with, an introvert which means he will always have a harder time being accepted and asking for help. It's not an excuse but it's his reasoning and whether you agree with it or not, I imagine it plagues the minds of many children. I doubt Cho was looking for special treatment but being moved from your native country at a young age and then to encounter ridicule and racism on a macro scale will do wonders on ones mental growth.

agreed. i found it a bit unrealistic how the vt students were portrayed to be all perfect and left him 'alone'. i'm certain he got picked on a bit and he finally reached that point that sent him into rage. i know i've felt rage where i've gotten into fights in high school. cho just happened to hold it in to friggin long, tho.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: jinduy
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

No excuse, not at all.

But wow, what happened to tolerance and diversity? What happened to teaching kids to brush it off and not care what other people say about them and all that stuff?

I don't know that this is the case here, but people like Cho are bred here in the USA every day when our K-12 schools teach our young children that they are special and perfect and that their self esteem is impenetrable.

And they go out into the real world and can't cope with people who are rude or don't give them the special treatment and accommodation they were taught to expect.

Every person has their limits. He seemingly tolerated the mistreatment throughout Middle School and High School and most of College. I'd imagine something pushed him over that edge between his sanity and insanity.

He's also, to begin with, an introvert which means he will always have a harder time being accepted and asking for help. It's not an excuse but it's his reasoning and whether you agree with it or not, I imagine it plagues the minds of many children. I doubt Cho was looking for special treatment but being moved from your native country at a young age and then to encounter ridicule and racism on a macro scale will do wonders on ones mental growth.

agreed. i found it a bit unrealistic how the vt students were portrayed to be all perfect and left him 'alone'. i'm certain he got picked on a bit and he finally reached that point that sent him into rage. i know i've felt rage where i've gotten into fights in high school. cho just happened to hold it in to friggin long, tho.

I hold grudges and experience rage and get picked on too. But there are socially acceptable ways of dealing with it that don't involve the deaths of innocent people.

What happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"

Thats right, from the 60s on we started teaching kids that words break their hearts and give them reason to feel sad. Boo hoo.

Tough it up, flip them the bird, and keep walking the other way. Sheesh.

It's time to shed our society of the bleeding heart touchy feeling liberal crap we've been trying since the 60's and go back to the basics such as:

"sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"

"don't do onto others as you'd not want done onto you"

"stand your ground and fight back if you have no other options and someones safety depends on it"

etc.

They worked a whole lot better in the first 200 years of our country's existance than the last 31 years of "everybody is special" has.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: exdeath
I hold grudges and experience rage and get picked on too. But there are socially acceptable ways of dealing with it that don't involve the deaths of innocent people.

What happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"

Thats right, from the 60s on we started teaching kids that words break their hearts and give them reason to feel sad. Boo hoo.

Tough it up, flip them the bird, and keep walking the other way. Sheesh.

You actually think that society being more PC is the reason for this rampage? You don't think tragedies occurred in the 60s? You push people to far, whether it be phsyical or mental, you're going to come across one that snaps. I doubt he was taught to be a little butterfly or to expect to be treated well. And since you're such a stickler to the Golden Rule, whatever happened to teaching kids not to make fun of others? Why is it that your golden rule only applies one way?

Edit:
He obviously felt that he needed to take your option 3.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: exdeath
I hold grudges and experience rage and get picked on too. But there are socially acceptable ways of dealing with it that don't involve the deaths of innocent people.

What happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"

Thats right, from the 60s on we started teaching kids that words break their hearts and give them reason to feel sad. Boo hoo.

Tough it up, flip them the bird, and keep walking the other way. Sheesh.

You actually think that society being more PC is the reason for this rampage? You don't think tragedies occurred in the 60s? You push people to far, whether it be phsyical or mental, you're going to come across one that snaps. I doubt he was taught to be a little butterfly or to expect to be treated well. And since you're such a stickler to the Golden Rule, whatever happened to teaching kids not to make fun of others? Why is it that your golden rule only applies one way?

Edit:
He obviously felt that he needed to take your option 3.

Who said it only applies one way? And I have updated my option 3 to prevent you from abusing it and misapplying it.

And yes, I think a lot of it has to do with PC policies and elementary school teachers taking too much prozac. There are always going to be people who lack self control and good judgment, but indoctrinating and pampering their self esteem in public schools to think that their fragile egos can never be hurt by someone...

It doesn't exactly leave them prepared to properly deal with it when it does occur does it?
 

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The guy was seriously mentally ill (schizophrenic) and it resulted in extremely odd and anti-social behavior. Certainly some of his fellow classmates picked on him because of this, but there were also plenty of people who attempted to treat him like any other person, only to have their friendly advances spurned. Most people will give an odd guy a chance, but after a couple attempts to be friendly are rebuffed and the guy constantly acts like an asshole, they will write him off as a wierdo jerk and treat him like one. It all adds up to a loss of respect from his peers, and near-total self inflicted isolation. Don't think for a second that this is the fault of his classmates, its his mental illness that led to his ostracization and eventually to his psychotic actions.
 

Dacalo

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Originally posted by: jinduy
Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

shens.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

Well, getting picked on especially if you are Asian is nothing new, I can recall many personal experiences. It probably was exacerbated for Cho since he was so anti-social and did not speak to anyone.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: JEDI
32 killed, 19 (?) wounded.

anyone know how many rounds were fired?

I heard here that it was no less than 3 shots per victim in bursts of three with pauses to reload in between.

I.e.: he pulled it off without evil 'high capacity' mags (i.e: 2 more rounds per mag)


You know I caught myself observing my surroundings in my class rooms yesterday, who sat where, where the door was, who was most at risk, and what objects were not bolted down and could provide cover or could be used as a improvised weapon of sufficient capacity, etc, if suddenly the door bust open and someone had a gun in their hand and I had half a second to observe, interpret, and react. There are no windows in one of my classrooms, just 4 walls, 2 of them solid concrete.

Thats pretty damn sad considering I carry a handgun daily and have to leave it locked in my vehicle unloaded per the rules... the most I can have is a folding non fixed blade pocket knife at 3.5" or under. :thumbsdown:

I'll be the first person to agree that guns don't belong in any kind of educational institution. But I wouldn't complain if I was legally allowed to discretely keep mine in my book bag.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: JEDI
32 killed, 19 (?) wounded.

anyone know how many rounds were fired?

I haven't seen that reported yet. Survivors said that he would shoot three times at each person. Plus he reportedly unloaded on closed doors. So figure well over 100 rounds.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Who said it only applies one way? And I have updated my option 3 to prevent you from abusing it and misapplying it.

And yes, I think a lot of it has to do with PC policies and elementary school teachers taking too much prozac. There are always going to be people who lack self control and good judgment, but indoctrinating and pampering their self esteem in public schools to think that their fragile egos can never be hurt by someone...

It doesn't exactly leave them prepared to properly deal with it when it does occur does it?

You're telling us that you want people to treat others as they would treat themselves, then you continue by telling us that if treated badly, to suck it up.

Also, people have committed atrocities throughout history and it's not because people are becoming more liberal. Do you think dictators of the past who killed on a global scale because they lived in times that were too liberal? Your argument is full of fallacies.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: jinduy
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: jinduy
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

No excuse, not at all.

But wow, what happened to tolerance and diversity? What happened to teaching kids to brush it off and not care what other people say about them and all that stuff?

I don't know that this is the case here, but people like Cho are bred here in the USA every day when our K-12 schools teach our young children that they are special and perfect and that their self esteem is impenetrable.

And they go out into the real world and can't cope with people who are rude or don't give them the special treatment and accommodation they were taught to expect.

Every person has their limits. He seemingly tolerated the mistreatment throughout Middle School and High School and most of College. I'd imagine something pushed him over that edge between his sanity and insanity.

He's also, to begin with, an introvert which means he will always have a harder time being accepted and asking for help. It's not an excuse but it's his reasoning and whether you agree with it or not, I imagine it plagues the minds of many children. I doubt Cho was looking for special treatment but being moved from your native country at a young age and then to encounter ridicule and racism on a macro scale will do wonders on ones mental growth.

agreed. i found it a bit unrealistic how the vt students were portrayed to be all perfect and left him 'alone'. i'm certain he got picked on a bit and he finally reached that point that sent him into rage. i know i've felt rage where i've gotten into fights in high school. cho just happened to hold it in to friggin long, tho.

I'm a socially reclusive person and based on my personal experience in college (Maryland) my feeling was that the VT students did not really pick on him. From my experience College kids don't act like that. They probably ignored him because he was a withdrawn person. I wouldn't be surprised if he was picked on in middle school and high school however. That's the way young kids are but most usually change in college. I think he kept it bottled up inside him. He was introverted and shy and socially inexperienced. I think what pushed him over the edge was his attempts at meeting girls during college.

During college, he probably got "friended" in mySpace and thought those girls were interested in him. Yet when he tried contacting by phone or email, his social inexperience caused him to be "creepy" and he felt rejected. He had at least 2 or 3 rejections that we know of. I'm thinking that the last rejection set him off and that's why he went to the dorm and killed that poor girl and RA.
 

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32 killed, 19 (?) wounded.

anyone know how many rounds were fired?

I heard here that it was no less than 3 shots per victim in bursts of three with pauses to reload in between.

I.e.: he pulled it off without evil 'high capacity' mags (i.e: 2 more rounds per mag)

He also fired off wild round into doors trying to force them open so the very minimum is 3 times the amount of victims.
 

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Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.


what a crock of bs that people said they left him alone and didn't do ne thing to him. not saying that's a valid excuse for going postal but i wish some of those students would be honest.

shens.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

Well, getting picked on especially if you are Asian is nothing new, I can recall many personal experiences. It probably was exacerbated for Cho since he was so anti-social and did not speak to anyone.

I think everyone agrees that there's no excuse for what he did but it is important to understand his general mindset and "reasoning" (if any) for why he perpetrated such a large scale crime.
 
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