WTF!!!!!! - Virginia Tech

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: randaleeSick to see them used in such an evil way.

What else are they used for?

I wouldn't consider it evil to protect yourself from being killed or otherwise seriously harmed.

My question was more about the uses for those types of bullets for things other than shooting people.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DonVitoThey're not "clips," they're magazines. He could theoretically have used 17-round Glock 17 mags with +2 base plates, for a total of 19 rounds per magazine, or even 33-round Glock magazines. More likely he was using 15-round magazines (standard for the Glock 19, which was his pistol of choice), requiring him to have 15 on hand to fire 225 rounds.

Thank you, that drives me absolutely nuts when people say "clips".

so how did the misconception start? How has the word "clip" get associated with the real thing?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

so he had two knives and a hammer as well...

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I doubt any liberal would say that, given he was carrying two handguns and 200+ rounds of ammunition.

But if it makes you sleep better at night, think whatever you want.

jpeyton is right. I don't believe any reasonable person would object if a scumbag like this were stopped on a rampage.

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: JEDI
so whats so special about these hollow points vs other +P hollow points?

They are like many other rounds, but the core is bonded to the jacket, so that separation is unlikely.

Originally posted by: pulse8
My question was more about the uses for those types of bullets for things other than shooting people.

They are best at stopping PEOPLE and MINIMIZING collateral damage. These type of rounds are specially made to STOP within their target. A full-metal jacket round will sail through and through and on to strike other targets. These are considered safer to use in defense situations than other rounds.

The same reason the police use rounds of similar design. (Gold Dots, Golden Sabres, etc.)

It's for the children, man!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

As luck would have it I have a Glock 17 loaded with Speer Gold Dots in my nightstand, but I sure as hell didn't pay $1 each for them - more like $0.25.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: randalee
He certainly didn't buy the cheap ones! The Gold Dots are nearly $1.00 PER ROUND! Sick to see them used in such an evil way.

Gold Dots

I imagine those were likely the ones he used in the crime. I also imagine they are the 124-grain +P rounds. Nearly 1200 FPS. Those penetrate nearly 13" in gelatin and expand to over .60 caliber.

so whats so special about these hollow points vs other +P hollow points?

and have they counted how many rounds he went thru? (15 round clip, or 10?)

last i heard over 100.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DonVitoThey're not "clips," they're magazines. He could theoretically have used 17-round Glock 17 mags with +2 base plates, for a total of 19 rounds per magazine, or even 33-round Glock magazines. More likely he was using 15-round magazines (standard for the Glock 19, which was his pistol of choice), requiring him to have 15 on hand to fire 225 rounds.

Thank you, that drives me absolutely nuts when people say "clips".

so how did the misconception start? How has the word "clip" get associated with the real thing?

A clip is a small metal retaining bracket that holds rounds together. A magazine is a containing device that rounds are loaded into. A magazine also has a spring to allow rounds to be fed out.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: skyking
He also used a .22 of some sort, so it was a mix of 9mm and .22

My understanding is that he never fired the .22 during his rampage. I guess we'll see what the ballistics say.

i would have sworn i heard both guns firing during that cell phone clip (well two different guns) that was taken by the student. as far as i know it was just him shooting, but it's not really great quality. i don't shoot much 9mm but i spent a lot of time plinking with a 22 as a younger person, but once again not the best sound quality.

 

[sygyzy]

I don't think the 9mm was his pistol of choice. I think he mainly shot the 22. I am not sure why you'd have a Glock 9mm and choose a round like the 22, out of a Walther P22, no less. It's a round that doesn't do much damage because of the high velocity, it normally goes through you. But if it penetrates the skull or a large cavity (chest), it just ricochet's around causing a lot of damage. I think it was because of little recoil. Firing that many rounds out of a 9mm would have a real toll on your hands/arms and subsequent shot would be less accurate.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Vonkhan
he shot a total of 225 rounds

he must've came prepared. I mean, that's like what? at least 20 clips????

so if he didn't have 20 clips, he must have reloaded at least 20 times? and no one is able to stop him while he is reloading? (granted, if I am at the scene, I wouldn't know he is reloading or not)

They're not "clips," they're magazines. He could theoretically have used 17-round Glock 17 mags with +2 base plates, for a total of 19 rounds per magazine, or even 33-round Glock magazines. More likely he was using 15-round magazines (standard for the Glock 19, which was his pistol of choice), requiring him to have 15 on hand to fire 225 rounds.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: fire400
with respect to the common people's basic firearm. the military has stuff that will make people spin upside down.
a special forces machine gun with add ons, now we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, and that would be a shame if he had used one of these.

GG

What on earth are you talking about? Grenade launchers? Special scopes?

A good pistol, shotgun or submachine-gun is still the preferred weapon for close-quarters urban combat; not your imaginary hundred thousand dollar super rifle.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Mill
I, too, have a Glock sitting in my nightstand drawer with a box of Speer Gold Dots. It isn't loaded, though. An empty mag is in it and my loaded mag is right next to it. I haven't shot but a few of the rounds. Not too pratical to use such ammo at the range. Winchester and Blazer are much cheaper.

It is still a good idea to shoot a few magazines of your personal defense rounds every now and then. Gotta make sure that they feed, fire, and extract without any hiccups.

Also, I hate when people call magazines clips too. You cant put a clip into a Glock! You can put a clip into an SKS though.

 

[randalee]

He certainly didn't buy the cheap ones! The Gold Dots are nearly $1.00 PER ROUND! Sick to see them used in such an evil way.

Gold Dots

I imagine those were likely the ones he used in the crime. I also imagine they are the 124-grain +P rounds. Nearly 1200 FPS. Those penetrate nearly 13" in gelatin and expand to over .60 caliber.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
A clip is a small metal retaining bracket that holds rounds together. A magazine is a containing device that rounds are loaded into. A magazine also has a spring to allow rounds to be fed out.

so on other words, a Magazine = a clip plus others like spring and casing.

 

[Boo Boo]

double tap rounds are better

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Since you admire his ammo, you should go down to the morque and get a first hand look at the results produced by this excellent ammo, you might want to pick up a few cases.
And make sure and check out those nice ammo vests, they are soooo cool.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: randalee
He certainly didn't buy the cheap ones! The Gold Dots are nearly $1.00 PER ROUND! Sick to see them used in such an evil way.

Gold Dots

I imagine those were likely the ones he used in the crime. I also imagine they are the 124-grain +P rounds. Nearly 1200 FPS. Those penetrate nearly 13" in gelatin and expand to over .60 caliber.

They'll be outlawed soon. It's everyone's fault but the shooter's.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: randaleeSick to see them used in such an evil way.

What else are they used for?

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: randalee
He certainly didn't buy the cheap ones! The Gold Dots are nearly $1.00 PER ROUND! Sick to see them used in such an evil way.

Gold Dots

I imagine those were likely the ones he used in the crime. I also imagine they are the 124-grain +P rounds. Nearly 1200 FPS. Those penetrate nearly 13" in gelatin and expand to over .60 caliber.

with respect to the common people's basic firearm. the military has stuff that will make people spin upside down.
a special forces machine gun with add ons, now we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, and that would be a shame if he had used one of these.

GG

 

[skyking]

He also used a .22 of some sort, so it was a mix of 9mm and .22

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Since you admire his ammo, you should go down to the morque and get a first hand look at the results produced by this excellent ammo, you might want to pick up a few cases.
And make sure and check out those nice ammo vests, they are soooo cool.

WTF is your problem?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
so he had two knives and a hammer as well...

Well, yeah...but it's not like those add too much.

I haven't been following the story very closely so far. How on earth did he do so much with just handguns?

 

[Sentinel]

A spec ops machine gun with addons? Like the SOPMOD M4?

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: randaleeSick to see them used in such an evil way.

What else are they used for?

I wouldn't consider it evil to protect yourself from being killed or otherwise seriously harmed.