X1800, X1600, X1300 Sell Sheets

[videoclone]

YESSSSS i also was looking out for the X1800XT VS 7800GTX in doom3 i guess it got its arse wooped so they couldnt put it there.... its funny how they show you what they want you to see and nothing else ... they even stated a 6500 card VS a X1300 Pro .. umm what the heck is that nvidia doesnt have a geforce 6500 4pipes... Anyways i hope all these are true and ATI Blows Nvidia away .... because then Nvidia will bring out better cards and price's will come down on there old ones YEY ^____^ thats good for us guys .... I love ATI and Nvidia ..... now if only Intel and AMD started doing the same thing.

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The real problem is that ALL companies say their products is at elast 50% or more faster than the competitors. e.g X800 XT PE was "supposedly" 60~50% faster than the upcoming 6800 ultra. and that was straight fromthe horse's mouth.

HDR and AA will be a big performance hit, and i want to know how ATi have gone to minimise the performance hit.

But :thumbsup: for ATi, angle dependant AF is no more, and i hope Nvidia does the same.
And whats more funny is,

"Shader model 3.0 done right" ATI never have built a S.M 3.0 card, and Nvidia has 1 full year experience at it.

Some of the stuff on the sell sheets look pure marketing gimmick, tricks, lies, and BS.
Funny it doesnt include doom3 on the sell sheets for X1800. I was hoping how well it does, since quake4 will be using the doom3 engine.

[Edit] Sorry and for the 1% of girls who are also into videocards lol hehe

 

[deadlock]

Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

 

[ZobarStyl]

I don't know why (real or fake) anyone cares about sell sheets; it's well known that sell sheets are either extreme exaggerations or flat out lies (from both nVidia and ATi)...considering it contains no FPS numbers, no mention of min/average/max, I'd say it's utterly useless. That and there's no mention at all of what Quality settings are on...so all they have to do is run the 7800's in HQ mode vs. Performance mode for their cards and get huge gaps in whatever number they choose to quantify as '100%'. They even do so on the next slide where the nVidia 16xAF is directly compared to ATi HQ 16xAF...uselessly unscientific.

The only thing worth seeing on these sheets is that they still haven't dropped that ugly Ruby from their heatsinks; bring back that evil alligator with the hardcore axe...at least that one was actually supposed to be a fugly manbeast, unlike Ruby who just happens to inadvertantly be one.

 

[Genx87]

I am sold.

The X1800 has a "ruthlessly" efficient "Ultra-Threaded" shader. Anytime you get something so good that "ruthlessly" performs its job. Then you know it has to be above everything else.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I'm not quite sure I understand the whole AA+HDR debate here either... I thought that was dictated by the game, not the card. Doesn't DOD:S let you run HDR with AA, whereas SS:CT and FarCry don't?

HDR+AA is possible in Lost Coast because its emulating HDR, not the real HDR. Hence HDR+AA is a big deal, because David Kirk (CEO of Nvidia) said that it was near to impossible to do that on current cards. This wednesday will be interesting.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Wednesday... I hope we're not waiting for Godeau again.

If true, Nvidia will have to get all those G80s off the shelf and to market, as they have been sitting gathering dust.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
Wednesday... I hope we're not waiting for Godeau again.

If true, Nvidia will have to get all those G80s off the shelf and to market, as they have been sitting gathering dust.

Yeah I'm sure Nv has a pile of g80's just waiting for the r520. Just as Ati has a bunch of r580's just waiting for those g80's. </sarcasm>

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: deadlock
Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

These are the sheets to their salesmen. Having read a lot of corporate documentation, I can say, there is nothing there that does not disprove them. But in the future, ATI should get you to proof it before release And hey, they are Canadain. It is like they speak another language (reference to the quote about America and Britian, two countries seperated by a common language.)

 

[fliguy84]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
The only thing worth seeing on these sheets is that they still haven't dropped that ugly Ruby from their heatsinks; bring back that evil alligator with the hardcore axe...at least that one was actually supposed to be a fugly manbeast, unlike Ruby who just happens to inadvertantly be one.

Last time Ruby smacked the scaly fins out of Nalu, but I bet this this around Luna PWNs Ruby with that mesmerizing two-handed globule. Oh hell, we don't need Luna. I'm pretty sure Mad Mike should sweep Ruby off her feet

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: deadlock
Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

In the words of W1zzard, who first posted these:

"if those slides dont look official enough for you, just wait 3 days"

Don't get your panties all up in a bunch. You're pointing out some very minor errors on those slides. The slides were never meant for the public, so it's no big surprise that they were a little lax with their proofreading.

 

[Drayvn]

HDR and AA together is actually a Hardware problem.

HDR is added in the PF16 buffer which is actually after AA is added to the pipeline. Thats why AA has to be disabled because HDR needs to be done before AA to get the right image.

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: deadlock
Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

Yes because everyone knows that marketing and PR people also majored in English

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: deadlock
Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

Yes because everyone knows that marketing and PR people also majored in English

Que?

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: deadlock
Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

In the words of W1zzard, who first posted these:

"if those slides dont look official enough for you, just wait 3 days"

Don't get your panties all up in a bunch. You're pointing out some very minor errors on those slides. The slides were never meant for the public, so it's no big surprise that they were a little lax with their proofreading.

I disagree. The errors are not minor. These slides were not proofread at all. If they were proofread, then that person needs to be fired because they failed miserably in their job. I count over 25 grammatical and textual errors. To me, these sell sheets are fake.

That is not to say that the R520 won't be a great card. It may even dominate the 7800GTX. I do not know. We will all know soon enough.

 

[bdoople]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: deadlock
Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

Yes because everyone knows that marketing and PR people also majored in English

No, they didn't, but (even though they're Canadian) someone had to major in English and they just so happen to edit things before they leave the building, especially for something this big. Just a guess...

 

[Acanthus]

I love how the ATi fanboys are sporting AA+HDR as a feature.

ATIs cards cant do EXR HDR AT ALL. They can only do other HDR implementations, which Nvidia can also use AA for.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

I disagree. The errors are not minor. These slides were not proofread at all. If they were proofread, then that person needs to be fired because they failed miserably in their job. I count over 25 grammatical and textual errors. To me, these sell sheets are fake.

That is not to say that the R520 won't be a great card. It may even dominate the 7800GTX. I do not know. We will all know soon enough.

You sure sound convinced. Care to make a wager? Say $500? That should be enough to get me a new X1800XT. I'm ready to place the wager any time, just let me know. I'm sure we can get confirmation whether these were real or not after the launch.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I love how the ATi fanboys are sporting AA+HDR as a feature.

ATIs cards cant do EXR HDR AT ALL. They can only do other HDR implementations, which Nvidia can also use AA for.

Wake up. We are talking about R520 cards which do HDR + AA in hardware. We're not talking about previous ATI cards.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I love how the ATi fanboys are sporting AA+HDR as a feature.

ATIs cards cant do EXR HDR AT ALL. They can only do other HDR implementations, which Nvidia can also use AA for.

OpenEXR is by doing HDR using the FP16 and FP32 frame buffers...

Read the first few points on the OpenEXR features : OpenEXR Features

Developers make their game in OpenEXR and the hardware has to be made to support that and it interprets it that way. Thats the way im reading it from the website.

So whered this only Nvidia can only do OpenEXR HDR?

Unless im wrong and you have to pay licenses for this?
- Just checked you dont need to buy the licsence. They have 3 rules for the license of a free source code package.

 

[xtknight]

HDR+AA!! Took long enough.

Originally posted by: Frackal
7800GTX ============================D~ 25x
6800 U 15x ===============D~
6600GT 7x ======D~

That looks wrong. :laugh:

Think we'll see any benches on HKEPC tonight?

 

[aatf510]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
The only thing worth seeing on these sheets is that they still haven't dropped that ugly Ruby from their heatsinks; bring back that evil alligator with the hardcore axe...at least that one was actually supposed to be a fugly manbeast, unlike Ruby who just happens to inadvertantly be one.

The evil alligator design was fairly good and I really liked that heatsink surface with a layer clear coat.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: xtknight
HDR+AA!! Took long enough.

Originally posted by: Frackal
7800GTX ============================D~ 25x
6800 U 15x ===============D~
6600GT 7x ======D~

That looks wrong. :laugh:

Think we'll see any benches on HKEPC tonight?

LOL, I was wondering if anyone woudl get that haha

 

[hemmy]

wow if those are real scores im crying

i have a good computer and really need a new car, but this would be tempting if it is available

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: deadlock
Guys, read my comments in this thread:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1333943515#post1333943515

I am convinced these spec sheets are fake. They are grammatical and textual inconsistencies galore.

I see they have the same fanatic ATi bunch there as well ....I saw and understood your post. I also caught that it seemed you are interested in buying one...Did not stop them from thrashing you, for using words of blasphemy against beloved ATi..Which you really did not....

I say we should send our resident "wiener" MORPH there as well....

 

[IfReborn]

if its true it will be like the jump from the 3200+ athlon xp to the 3200+ athlon64