Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: allies
Those "poor slobs" flashed their bios to a PE, and found it able to keep up with a 512MB GTX. What about those REAL poor slobs that purchased a 512 GTX for $750 when a card purchased earlier simply flashed to a new BIOS keeps up with it. Why are you so freakin' biased against ATi?!
Do you always get so emotional discussing video cards?
If I say I prefer Progresso to Campbells soup, I suppose "it's on"? :laugh:
Originally posted by: allies
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: allies
Those "poor slobs" flashed their bios to a PE, and found it able to keep up with a 512MB GTX. What about those REAL poor slobs that purchased a 512 GTX for $750 when a card purchased earlier simply flashed to a new BIOS keeps up with it. Why are you so freakin' biased against ATi?!
Do you always get so emotional discussing video cards?
If I say I prefer Progresso to Campbells soup, I suppose "it's on"? :laugh:
No, I just get adamant about name-calling. And why would you prefer nvidia to ATi? Because you have some affilation with them? You like the sub-par AF? You like the inability to run HDR+AA? Just want to know. I know that the X1900 will be able to do HDR+AA, but the G71 as far as I know will not.
Yeah, but last year, when there were no games that supported SM3, you still said that it's important to buy 6-series cards, even though there weren't any(or maybe two or three) games that supported it, because it's "for the future".Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't really care so far about trhe ability to run HDR+AA because there's only one two year old game that supports it, with a beta patch? I guess if it affected my life in any real way, I might? How about you? Is that beta patch on ancient old Far Cry just made you "see the light"? LOL
So...? The fact is the new cards have beter AF. Now people see the difference. Sure, you played WC1 once and it looked great, now it doesn't look so good. Things change. and yes, he didn't say that the x850 cards don't have sub-par AF, but their last gen. Now the AF on the x1800 is much better than the AF on 7800. I thought you said that every IQ improvment is great. but it seems that if it's something that nvidia has then you can't live without it, but if it's something that ATi has than "You haven't noticed any difference".You do realize the "sub-par angle dependent AF" you're talking smack about is the same AF that ATI used on the 9700-X850, don't you? Did it "burn your eyes" then? I don't mind it because I haven't noticed any IQ difference? I've notice the "shimmer" effect between mip transitions in a couple games, a couple times, definitely not a big enough problem for me to be a deal breaker, which 1000s of other people say as well.
Originally posted by: Rollo
Linkgoron:
SM3:
Was the MS standard, and there was a list of many upcoming/existing games that used it.
HDR+AA:
Needs a manufacturer's patch to work, they don't seem to be in any hurry, and there are only a couple of HDR games anyway.
Big difference.
AF:
Sure, it's always better to have nicer IQ. The point is that the IQ I have doesn't bother me? Just because the X1800XT has angle independent AF, doesn't mean that the AF on every 9700/9800/X800/6800/7800 suddenly hurts your eyes, it just means the X1800 has marginally better AF.
Back when the 5800s had angle independent AF, and it was part of the reason they were a little slower, I didn't see any mass exodus to 5800s to get angle independent AF, even though all the reviews said it was a little better?
I bet you don't even OWN a X1800 and have never even seen this wonder AF you're pimping. If not, why do you continue to hurt your eyes with the "horrible" AF 95% of the gamers in the world have?
Oooh- let me GUESS:
You're waiting for the X1900. Or, you're waiting for the DX10 cards. Or, you're waiting for the 2007 cards.
:roll:
Originally posted by: Nirach
I can see me pondering investing in a master/slave, regardless of the issues with Crossfire.
Originally posted by: munky
Whoever bought the x1800 shouldnt feel as stupid as the SOB's who bought the 512gtx at $1000 a piece on ebay, and especially the ones who already had a 256gtx and then "upgraded" to a faster gtx. That would be as dumb as upgrding from a slower AXP to a faster AXP a month before the release of A64, ecxept that the AXP's were not seling at outrageous prices. If that's not a waste of money, I dont know what is.
Originally posted by: Rollo
HDR+AA:
Needs a manufacturer's patch to work, they don't seem to be in any hurry, and there are only a couple of HDR games anyway.
Big difference.
Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: Nirach
I can see me pondering investing in a master/slave, regardless of the issues with Crossfire.
Issues? They'll get patched up eventually. But come on, awsome rendering modes, and adaptive AA.
Originally posted by: John Reynolds
Originally posted by: Rollo
HDR+AA:
Needs a manufacturer's patch to work, they don't seem to be in any hurry, and there are only a couple of HDR games anyway.
Big difference.
You don't think various HDR techniques are the wave of the future? Or that float render targets aren't going to become more common? Why talk about all the upcoming SM3 games (which itself suggests higher use of float rendertargets) without acknowledging more use of HDR?
That said, while I doubt G71 will be able to multisample float targets there really isn't that many games that're going to take advantage of this feature in the first half of '06, and I'd be shocked if NVIDIA's next major architecture lacks this capability.
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Or maybe I don't work for AEG and get free cards.
No I don't have an x1800, nor am I waiting for the x1900 (not to buy it at least) I'm not even waiting for DX10. I'm actually waiting for 7600 card.
but that's off-topic. The 5800, while having great AF, didn't have enough horse-power to back it up, and that's why it sucked.
Originally posted by: John Reynolds
Originally posted by: Rollo
HDR+AA:
Needs a manufacturer's patch to work, they don't seem to be in any hurry, and there are only a couple of HDR games anyway.
Big difference.
You don't think various HDR techniques are the wave of the future? Or that float render targets aren't going to become more common? Why talk about all the upcoming SM3 games (which itself suggests higher use of float rendertargets) without acknowledging more use of HDR?
That said, while I doubt G71 will be able to multisample float targets there really isn't that many games that're going to take advantage of this feature in the first half of '06, and I'd be shocked if NVIDIA's next major architecture lacks this capability.
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: John Reynolds
Originally posted by: Rollo
HDR+AA:
Needs a manufacturer's patch to work, they don't seem to be in any hurry, and there are only a couple of HDR games anyway.
Big difference.
You don't think various HDR techniques are the wave of the future? Or that float render targets aren't going to become more common? Why talk about all the upcoming SM3 games (which itself suggests higher use of float rendertargets) without acknowledging more use of HDR?
That said, while I doubt G71 will be able to multisample float targets there really isn't that many games that're going to take advantage of this feature in the first half of '06, and I'd be shocked if NVIDIA's next major architecture lacks this capability.
I do, but the question is when? At this point, HDR+AA is a promise, a glimpse of things to come, not something to base card choices on.
As far as SM3 goes, there is also geometry instancing and displacement mapping to be concerned with.
9800Originally posted by: allies
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: John Reynolds
Originally posted by: Rollo
HDR+AA:
Needs a manufacturer's patch to work, they don't seem to be in any hurry, and there are only a couple of HDR games anyway.
Big difference.
You don't think various HDR techniques are the wave of the future? Or that float render targets aren't going to become more common? Why talk about all the upcoming SM3 games (which itself suggests higher use of float rendertargets) without acknowledging more use of HDR?
That said, while I doubt G71 will be able to multisample float targets there really isn't that many games that're going to take advantage of this feature in the first half of '06, and I'd be shocked if NVIDIA's next major architecture lacks this capability.
I do, but the question is when? At this point, HDR+AA is a promise, a glimpse of things to come, not something to base card choices on.
As far as SM3 goes, there is also geometry instancing and displacement mapping to be concerned with.
Rollo - I commend you on attempting to give some praise to ATi. Now that the Holiday's are drawing to an end, I hope you don't lose the spirit Here's to 2006 and the next generation of graphics as well as games.
Any speculation on what the R600 is gonna be named? X11800XTX (pronounced ex eleventy eight hundred ex tee ex)... getting ridiculous, but as long as the graphics progress, :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: allies
Any speculation on what the R600 is gonna be named? X11800XTX (pronounced ex eleventy eight hundred ex tee ex)... getting ridiculous, but as long as the graphics progress, :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Oh, what does QFP mean?
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Oh, what does QFP mean?
It means Quoted For Permanence, because the last four "smart guys" who threw that "Wah- you're an AEG fanboy stuff" at me were banned, forced to remove it.
I wanted to be sure the mods could see just how "clever" you are Linkgoron! Take it as a compliment!
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Oh, what does QFP mean?
It means Quoted For Permanence, because the last four "smart guys" who threw that "Wah- you're an AEG fanboy stuff" at me were banned, forced to remove it.
I wanted to be sure the mods could see just how "clever" you are Linkgoron! Take it as a compliment!
I will.
I never said that you work for AEG.
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Oh, what does QFP mean?
It means Quoted For Permanence, because the last four "smart guys" who threw that "Wah- you're an AEG fanboy stuff" at me were banned, forced to remove it.
I wanted to be sure the mods could see just how "clever" you are Linkgoron! Take it as a compliment!
I will.
I never said that you work for AEG.
You certainly implied it. Most people can put two and two together when you reply to someone and say "well, I don't work for AEG."
Play nice, kids. Can we try to stay on-topic instead of throwing jabs at other posters?
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: munky
Whoever bought the x1800 shouldnt feel as stupid as the SOB's who bought the 512gtx at $1000 a piece on ebay, and especially the ones who already had a 256gtx and then "upgraded" to a faster gtx. That would be as dumb as upgrding from a slower AXP to a faster AXP a month before the release of A64, ecxept that the AXP's were not seling at outrageous prices. If that's not a waste of money, I dont know what is.
i bought a faster AXP after the A64s were already out
unlocked mobile barton ftpwn!
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: munky
Whoever bought the x1800 shouldnt feel as stupid as the SOB's who bought the 512gtx at $1000 a piece on ebay, and especially the ones who already had a 256gtx and then "upgraded" to a faster gtx. That would be as dumb as upgrding from a slower AXP to a faster AXP a month before the release of A64, ecxept that the AXP's were not seling at outrageous prices. If that's not a waste of money, I dont know what is.
i bought a faster AXP after the A64s were already out
unlocked mobile barton ftpwn!
Well, so did I actually - upgraded from an xp1800 to a mobile 2500 and OC'd. It was a cheap upgrade, but still in retrospect I think I should have went to A64 instead.