x1900gt > 7900gs?

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
If you look at a wider range of games, you will see it slips behind the 7900GT.

I'm not even going to look at your link since it is probably another Xbit review without equal driver settings--basically an Anandtech review with more (older) games.

It's HDR+AA performance is not what most would call playable.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about the 7900GT's.

While you can mention ATI's AF you should not leave out NVIDIAs better AA.

I won't leave out comparison to AA. Nvidia has a better alpha texture AA method than ATI's, while ATI's 6xAA looks more stream-lined than Nvidia's 8xAA. FS has stated this.

Originally posted by: hemmy
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3946&s=4
Has 7900gs, gt, x1900gt, with nvidia AF optimizations off

That's not loading for me here, so I'll have to try it later.

Wreckage, I'm not saying the X1900GT is better than the 7900GT or that the 7900GT is better than the X1900GT. I'm saying that there isn't as large of a difference between the two as you make it sound. As far as price goes:

X1900GT--$225 found here by using RTPE.

7900GT--$247 and that's only with the hope that the poor MIR that have been rumored doesn't fail. If it does, the price you would pay for it would be $270. The only other one that I found here that was cheaper was a Preorder for $200 or so.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079


X1900GT--$225 found here by using RTPE.

7900GT--$247 and that's only with the hope that the poor MIR that have been rumored doesn't fail. If it does, the price you would pay for it would be $270. The only other one that I found here that was cheaper was a Preorder for $200 or so.

Well using your link there are 5 in stock (from some company I have never heard of), the next cheapest price after that is $289.99 for the 1900GT.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150144
$232 7900GT AR in stock at newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130055
$199 7900GS no rebate free Hitman game instock at newegg.

I only trust actual known store links for prices, not random price search engines.

It does seem ATI is having availability issues with their cards. I can't seem to find a X1950XT in stock either :laugh:

 

[Pantalaimon]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
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It does seem ATI is having availability issues with their cards. I can't seem to find a X1950XT in stock either :laugh:

When can we expect to read your gripe about the availability of NVIDIA's newly launched 7950GT?

 

[josh6079]

I only trust actual known store links for prices, not random price search engines.

Price engines represent store prices. If you want to go the extra mile and click on the link to the store that the price engine results have already provided to you, here is the actual store link

It does seem ATI is having availability issues with their cards. I can't seem to find a X1950XT in stock either :laugh:

I think that is because the X1900GT's are probably going to get phased out with the coming of the 1900 refreshes. (That or maybe more people have been buying them than we think and that is why there are so many more 7900GT's.--Point is no one really knows why there are availability issues during certain periods. Not too long ago nitromullet was having trouble finding the 7900GTX's as well.)

As far as the X1950's, don't get me started because I think you and I are in the same boat on that one.

The 7900GS is a nice card though for the money. It seems like both companies are going overboard in supplying numerous video cards that aren't that much different from eachother.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Wreckage
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It does seem ATI is having availability issues with their cards. I can't seem to find a X1950XT in stock either :laugh:

When can we expect to read your gripe about the availability of NVIDIA's newly launched 7950GT?

When I see sites benchmark it.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Wreckage
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It does seem ATI is having availability issues with their cards. I can't seem to find a X1950XT in stock either :laugh:

When can we expect to read your gripe about the availability of NVIDIA's newly launched 7950GT?

When I see Xbit benchmark it.

Fixed.

 

[tuteja1986]

I saw a X1900XT for $279

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Wreckage
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It does seem ATI is having availability issues with their cards. I can't seem to find a X1950XT in stock either :laugh:

When can we expect to read your gripe about the availability of NVIDIA's newly launched 7950GT?

When I see Xbit benchmark it.

Fixed.

While I do like Xbit the most because they use far more games, I also like Techreport, Rage3d (not their new graphs though) and to some extent Hardocp.

 

[Cookie Monster]

What a flamefest.

A X1900GT is a great card for its value. However, from what im hearing ATi is apparently going to down clock the card by 63mhz,up its memory to 660mhz(1320 effective) and a PCB change.

Yes this card apprently faces come heat issues and noise issues by some users around here. Just another things to think about before purchasing.

A 7900GS isnt a bad value card either, with OC near ~600mhz on core and ~1700mhz on memory this card defitnately can reach the performance of that of a 7900GTX. Not to mention the OC wont really impact your power and heat, because the cards are cool to began with.
(A GTX consumes 84W at load, so with a massive OC on the GS it would still consume roughly 70~W. For reference a X1900XT/X consumes 110~120W).

For IQ, this is subjective. Although some people say ATi is better, and some NV better, MOST people that i know of in real life dont think its too big of a difference. For my own opinion i find the two almost identical. Its shimmering thats the problem, but this also depends on the person. There are users here who havent seen shimmering in their entire lifetime. However the problem isnt as big as some percieve it because if it was, then even the average joe would complain, however such thing has never happened except maybe from some hardware enthusiasts.

But as of now NV seems to have the better AA, while ATi has the better AF. Vibrant colours depend on your monitor as well as the colour control in your CCC or NV control panel.

Anyhow...

Leadtek 7900GS 199 comes with much better cooling solution

And some user experiences

Link
Most are reaching over or near 600 on core.

These 7900GS are monster OCers that can surpass cards like X1800XT at those speeds. The leadtek fan is silent so thats why i suggested it.

Unless you dont like OCing, then a stock X1900GT would be better off.

 

[CrystalBay]

The 1900Gt keeps higher minimum FPS in a lot games which is better....

 

[josh6079]

Unless you dont like OCing, then a stock X1900GT would be better off.

And you think that an X1900GT is a poor overclocker?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

While I do like Xbit the most because they use far more games, I also like Techreport, Rage3d (not their new graphs though) and to some extent Hardocp.

Their most recent and fairest bench is the one you don't like?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Wreckage

While I do like Xbit the most because they use far more games, I also like Techreport, Rage3d (not their new graphs though) and to some extent Hardocp.

Their most recent and fairest bench is the one you don't like?

Not the review I just prefer the line graphs over the bar graphs .

 

[josh6079]

Really? I always thought that the line graphs seperated the data better and everthing is more clear.

 

[cal9745]

Well, I forgot to mention that this card is going to be a placeholder... I plan to buy a DX10 card in January.

Looking at most of the reviews, it seems the x1900gt does a little better in some games, and does a little worse in others. BUT you can do HDR and AA at the same time, a huge plus.

BTW maybe I interpreted something wrong in the anandtech 7900gs review, but did that say that the 7900gs can use AA and HDR in the source engine? Cus I really want to play Dark Messiah with HDR and AA at about 60 FPS

EDIT:

Forgot to post my specs (well, future specs, all I have now is the processor and mobo)

e6600 Core 2 Duo (planning to overclock)
p5w dh deluxe asus mobo
OCZ Platinum Revision 2, 2GB
Western Digital 250gb SATA
Lian Li PC-65B

Anybody know if I should rethink some of those parts?

 

[josh6079]

With Source, even Nvidia cards can use HDR+AA because of the way Source implemented it. DM looks like an awesome game though and when I had my X1900XTX I never got around 60FPS constant. (I had vsync with triple buffering on though so who knows) Of course, my X1900GT plays it almost as well, it's just that instead of enabling Quality Adaptive AA like I used to I don't even enable Adaptive AA. Either card will do well for that game and either one will be able to do HDR+AA for Source engine games.

 

[potato28]

Ok... I just bought the x1900gt. Before you flame me on my choice, you've said that nVidia can do HDR+AA at the same time in Source. But thats the only engine that nVidia can use it in. With the x1900gt, I can play Oblivion with HDR+AA! And dont call me a fanboy, as Im posting with my 6600gt in my computer right now.

 

[cal9745]

Potato, I was thinking the same thing. With my old 7800gt (which could bairly run Oblivion) I actually substituted AA for HDR, because it looks that bad without AA.

I actually decided to get a x1900xt, i found one for $250!!! What's 50 dollars to me in the end, anyway?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Really? I always thought that the line graphs seperated the data better and everthing is more clear.

Yeah, I said I prefer the line graphs.

Otherwise, the review was just fine.

I don't think the 1900GT is a bad card, just overpriced and in short supply.

I don't think they 1950XTX is a bad card, just paper launched.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Unless you dont like OCing, then a stock X1900GT would be better off.

And you think that an X1900GT is a poor overclocker?

I didnt say it was a poor OCer in the first place. Before OCing, you have to think about the fact that you will get increase in heat/power not to mention the stock cooler will get more louder due to the increase in heat.

All that issue isnt with the GS because the card is cool and not power hungry.

I wouldve picked the EVGA one, if your planning to buy a placeholder card til the DX10 cards hit. EVGA has the step up program within 90 days. Save cash etc.

 

[SGtheArtist]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022

Even though you already made your decision. Here's the Sapphire X1900GT for $199 at newegg. Maybe someone else is looking for it

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: josh6079

Unless you dont like OCing, then a stock X1900GT would be better off.

And you think that an X1900GT is a poor overclocker?

I didnt say it was a poor OCer in the first place. Before OCing, you have to think about the fact that you will get increase in heat/power not to mention the stock cooler will get more louder due to the increase in heat.

All that issue isnt with the GS because the card is cool and not power hungry.

I wouldve picked the EVGA one, if your planning to buy a placeholder card til the DX10 cards hit. EVGA has the step up program within 90 days. Save cash etc.

The stock cooler on the *old* x1900gt was crappy... but they re-did the cooler. Thats y Im still waiting for mine, while you guys have your cards.

 

[SGtheArtist]

I don't think the cooler is that bad, Its a little loud when the PC starts but quiets down there after. I don't notice it over my case fans and HDDs.

Then again I'm running it at stock speed which is plenty fast for me.

 

[LLoose]

lol. I got mine for $200 (no rebates, no codes, no coupons.. just a good old fashioned sale) from bestbuy.
Made by ATI. Runs like a hooker to crack.

 

[josh6079]

LOL! That "hooker to crack" phrase was awesome! :laugh: