X3350 / Q9450 Overclocking Thread

[Markfw]

Its here.... OC'ing to begin !

Its booted at 3.2, will update as I get there.

Note to tenex, no problem booting !

 

[Markfw]

Wow, after 1/2 hour, the best I can get it 3.6, 1.3 vcore under load, and its up to 72c (XP90). I think to hit 4.0 I need a better motherboard and cooling.

TRUE on the way.....

 

[lopri]

Q9450 @3.6GHz should equal to Q6600 @4.0GHz. That's a lot of CPU power there. With better cooler you should be able to lower the temps.

 

[Markfw]

Well, that makes me feel a little better. Once the TRUE gets here next week, I can pump it some more !!!

Edited the temps...One orthos locked up. So what does it mean when it doesn;t go red, but locks up ?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: lopri
Q9450 @3.6GHz should equal to Q6600 @4.0GHz. That's a lot of CPU power there. With better cooler you should be able to lower the temps.

lol lopri its only 10% at max on some applications. On marc's F@H it wouldnt be that great. The smaller die also might make it harder for him to cool.

IE. a 65nm @ 1.5V will generate near the same heat as a 45nm @ 1.5V but you have a much smaller footprint to cover, so its same heat concentrated on a smaller footprint.

Marc, Lap that true, and after you stressed that chip lap that processor.

 

[Markfw]

Well, I am down to 3552 due to F@H and heat. When the TRUE comes in, it will be a different story. It seems to run just as hot as a Q6600

 

[TheJian]

Why would you throw away your warranty for a degree or two? I can understand lapping a heatsink, but not the chip. Also it will get faster as SSE4 ramps, not to mention anand showed it's already faster clock for clock in SSE2 by 32% in just the test they ran if memory serves (divx or something like it, h264, can't remember). There are benefits already it just depends on what you do. I still don't understand F@H. Running up my electric bill is not my favorite thing to do, but to each his own.

I'd question the heat theory when you consider every new chip Intel puts out has less heat on a new process (P4 vs P3 doesn't count...LOL, completely different chips, stages etc). Just look at the penryn heatsinks. They shrunk a bit compared to 65nm. So there's more to this than smaller die size being hotter. Don't forget voltage is never the same on a shrink. It goes down. The same is true in vid cards. An old 8800GT couldn't even think of shipping fanless. The die shrink has pulled it off. While the idea it's harder to cool a smaller footprint makes sense in my head, on paper etc. It hasn't been seen in reality because of the the other factors. Is there a point where it will come true? Probably. I wouldn't want to cool a 3ghz ball point pin chip...ROFL. So far I haven't seen anyone say their penryn is hotter default than equal clocked conroe even in the ones with more cache.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Because, if your intent is to honor the warranty as written the minute he cranked up the vcore and raised the FSB the warranty is void anyway.

 

[Markfw]

When I get the true mounted, I may have a better picture... As for warranty, Guitardaddy nailed it. As for F@H, when I help cure cancer, it will be worth every penny. If we don't, I die knowing I tried my best.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: TheJian
Why would you throw away your warranty for a degree or two? I can understand lapping a heatsink, but not the chip. Also it will get faster as SSE4 ramps, not to mention anand showed it's already faster clock for clock in SSE2 by 32% in just the test they ran if memory serves (divx or something like it, h264, can't remember). There are benefits already it just depends on what you do. I still don't understand F@H. Running up my electric bill is not my favorite thing to do, but to each his own.

I'd question the heat theory when you consider every new chip Intel puts out has less heat on a new process (P4 vs P3 doesn't count...LOL, completely different chips, stages etc). Just look at the penryn heatsinks. They shrunk a bit compared to 65nm. So there's more to this than smaller die size being hotter. Don't forget voltage is never the same on a shrink. It goes down. The same is true in vid cards. An old 8800GT couldn't even think of shipping fanless. The die shrink has pulled it off. While the idea it's harder to cool a smaller footprint makes sense in my head, on paper etc. It hasn't been seen in reality because of the the other factors. Is there a point where it will come true? Probably. I wouldn't want to cool a 3ghz ball point pin chip...ROFL. So far I haven't seen anyone say their penryn is hotter default than equal clocked conroe even in the ones with more cache.

look at mark's signature. he has 7 QUADS RUNNING RIGHT NOW. I'm fairly confident that he knows what he's talking about.

@mark, that xp90 has got to be holding you back in the temp department. The good news is that if you couldn't pass orthos then it's probably a heat issue. What's your max fsb?

 

[Markfw]

bryanW1995, I know the problem is heat. I have another TRUE on order. When it comes in, I can crank the vcore up, and get some more speed. Right now, its running 8 * 444. Its the high FSB that makes this beast so hard to OC. I had it posting at 470, but won't even go to windows until you get down to 460. Time for an X38 mobo too....

For those that aren't rich, stay with the Q6600 IMO. It can get 3.5 on cheap hardware (well sort of cheap, compared to X38 and a TRUE, PC-8500, etc...)

 

[bka4u2c]

Nice job there Mark!!

Haven't had much time to play with mine yet. I started off with a very small bump in Vcore to get it to 3.0(380FSB) and NB up to 1.3. I'm going to let it continue to Prime overnight and tomorrow while I'm at work to let the thermal paste settle a little. (March madness is upon us, so hard to decide, basketball or overclock testing)

Tomorrow night I will try and see if I can get as high as my E8400 (450 FSB) with no more than 1.3v.

CPU-Z

3DMARK06

 

[themattman]

Thanks to this post I have decided to join the forums. So far this is the only good thread on any forum/website which actually shows some real world results. I almost pushed myself to drive 40 miles to the nearest microcenter to pick up a Q9450 before they sold out.

Markfw900, I was curious to what thermal paste you are using through these tests.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: themattman
Thanks to this post I have decided to join the forums. So far this is the only good thread on any forum/website which actually shows some real world results. I almost pushed myself to drive 40 miles to the nearest microcenter to pick up a Q9450 before they sold out.

Markfw900, I was curious to what thermal paste you are using through these tests.

Wow, we are grateful that you chose us ! They are a good chip, just a little harder than the Q6600 to OC. Watch all the results (not just mine) and lets see if I have a handle on the average (I try to)

BTW, I tried the IC7 stuff to help the XP90, but I see it not enough.

 

[bryanW1995]

I've heard a lot of people comment on lapping their true and their cpu hs, but I haven't heard ANYBODY talk about lapping a tuniq. Does anyone out there have experience with this? I think that I will try it out now that I'm moving to the quad.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: themattman
Thanks to this post I have decided to join the forums. So far this is the only good thread on any forum/website which actually shows some real world results. I almost pushed myself to drive 40 miles to the nearest microcenter to pick up a Q9450 before they sold out.

Markfw900, I was curious to what thermal paste you are using through these tests.

Wow, we are grateful that you chose us ! They are a good chip, just a little harder than the Q6600 to OC. Watch all the results (not just mine) and lets see if I have a handle on the average (I try to)

LOL... mark this is exactly why i just said forget it, im grabbing a QX and ending it there.

And luckily i nailed a good chip.

 

[ArizonaSteve]

I worked on my new kit last night. No overclocking, but I can say that the GA-EP35-DS3R had no trouble POSTing with the X3350. First thing I did was to flash the BIOS to the latest version, and switch around a few things (mainly setting the memory to run at the correct 667 speed).

Ran out to Frys and upgraded the power supply to a PC Power & Cooling 750 watter, which also had the 6-pin PCI power connectors that I needed for the 3870X2. My Antec 550 watter was sufficiently ancient that I didn't have any of the new connectors, and was probably due for display at the Smithsonian anyway...

I have Vista x64 loaded (8GB of RAM). No overclocking as yet. But I have all weekend for that.

 

[bka4u2c]

Originally posted by: ArizonaSteve
I worked on my new kit last night. No overclocking, but I can say that the GA-EP35-DS3R had no trouble POSTing with the X3350. First thing I did was to flash the BIOS to the latest version, and switch around a few things (mainly setting the memory to run at the correct 667 speed).

Ran out to Frys and upgraded the power supply to a PC Power & Cooling 750 watter, which also had the 6-pin PCI power connectors that I needed for the 3870X2. My Antec 550 watter was sufficiently ancient that I didn't have any of the new connectors, and was probably due for display at the Smithsonian anyway...

I have Vista x64 loaded (8GB of RAM). No overclocking as yet. But I have all weekend for that.

OT, how do you like the new Power Supply? I am planning on buying one of those today.

 

[Markfw]

Well, its been running F@H for 14 hours now, 2 smp units @ 100% load, so I know 3552 is stable ! When it finishes, I will try to up it some more !

 

[ArizonaSteve]

Pretty hard to say, to be honest. It does the job and I have had no issues. The PC Power & Cooling supplies do have an excellent reputation.

Having said that, I've used Antecs for the last ten years without any problems, despite all the bad reports that are out there on the forums.

 

[bka4u2c]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, its been running F@H for 14 hours now, 2 smp units @ 100% load, so I know 3552 is stable ! When it finishes, I will try to up it some more !

What voltage was/is required to reach that stability. Just trying to get an idea for my trial and errors this evening.

 

[BigMoosey74]

check out emuforums, there is a X3350 OCd to 3.8 that is stable. You might find some helpful voltages there. It is a different mobo however.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: bka4u2c

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, its been running F@H for 14 hours now, 2 smp units @ 100% load, so I know 3552 is stable ! When it finishes, I will try to up it some more !

What voltage was/is required to reach that stability. Just trying to get an idea for my trial and errors this evening.

1.325..Trying 3.57 now, 447 * 8

 

[bka4u2c]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: bka4u2c

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, its been running F@H for 14 hours now, 2 smp units @ 100% load, so I know 3552 is stable ! When it finishes, I will try to up it some more !

What voltage was/is required to reach that stability. Just trying to get an idea for my trial and errors this evening.

1.325..Trying 3.57 now, 447 * 8

Great, that sounds very promising. Can't wait to get some testing done later. Let us know how it goes.

 

[Markfw]

Here is the latest... Not only does 447 * 8 look stable, but I think I have an FSB wall. It won't even boot windows at 450 1.325 vcore, but 447 was fine, So just for grins, I lowered the cvore to 1.300 in bios, and it still appears stable. If I can do 24 hours more, I will drop it again. I don;t think temps and lack of vcore are my problem, I think the chip doesn't like fsb over 447, and my motherboard testing showed 509 was stable for the memory and the motherboard.

Thoughts ?