xbox 360

[carlosd]

PC will always be the ultimate game machine. Don't forget that. By the time when XboX 360 is released, There will be comparable video hardware for the PC. From there you can update the PC hadrware every year, doubling it's Graphics power , the Xbox 360 will remain with the same hardware for 4 or 5 years, and will become a piece of crap whitin two years when the PC will be graphically far superior.

 

[shimsham]

pc for fps, mmorpg, and rts.

console for all else.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: shimsham
pc for fps, mmorpg, and rts.

console for all else.

I miss my mouse when I play Halo 2

 

[Insomniak]

Jesus Christ, another one of these threads?

Long short of it: The PC will be fine, as it always has. No, PC gaming will not die. No, PC gaming is not endangered. Just like when the Xbox launched, the PC didn't care, and the situation is the same here.


Both platforms have their strengths, and if you really want to game, I mean truly game, you need to be in both arenas.

 

[Skotos]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Skotos
and that high tech edram looks cool

i wonder how it will perform

Err, it's not that high tech.

The chip has some other main function and is not actually memory.
NEC's eDRAM is a memory system on-die with the logic for whatever
the chip does. Finnish vaporware desktop graphics-chip designers
Bitboys Oy announced many years ago a design which used a similar
strategy with memory technology from Infineon, who were also going
to fab the chip (the "Glaze 3D"--this was in the 3DFX
Voodoo 2 era). Both the Playstation 2 and Gamecube have chips with
eDRAM. The PS2's Graphics Synthesizer has 4 MB and its logic with
48 GB/s internal bandwidth. The Gamecube's massive Flipper GPU has
3 MB of eDRAM, 2 reserve as a back framebuffer and 1 as an on-chip
texture memory cache. Flipper's eDRAM bandwidth is 10.4 GB/s for
textures and 7.6 GB/s for frame.

PS2 and Gamecube have it, although not as much.

look at the xbox specs it says 256gb/s on edram

compared to the regular videocard ram that gets like 24gb/s (something like that not sure )

i wasnt really talking abbout all that

is microsoft going to use it just for AA or something ?

 

[Skotos]

Originally posted by: carlosd
PC will always be the ultimate game machine. Don't forget that. By the time when XboX 360 is released, There will be comparable video hardware for the PC. From there you can update the PC hadrware every year, doubling it's Graphics power , the Xbox 360 will remain with the same hardware for 4 or 5 years, and will become a piece of crap whitin two years when the PC will be graphically far superior.

and so will a pc if you dont upgrade

and plus lets see you pay $500 dollers for a comparable video card

and then another $500 for the cpus

im glad your rich because i know im not

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: shimsham
pc for fps, mmorpg, and rts.

console for all else.

I miss my mouse when I play Halo 2

i cant play with any fps with a controller. movement is fine, but i cant aim with my thumb for nothing.

 

[Skotos]

i love playing with a xbox controller in fps unlike most people lol

i love pwning kids online

 

[vision33r]

Is it just me but seeing the 360, I don't think I want it until there are some really must have games? Most of the demos show current or near future type PC graphics.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: vision33r
Is it just me but seeing the 360, I don't think I want it until there are some really must have games? Most of the demos show current or near future type PC graphics.

ya lets see what games are there b4 thinkin of purchasing one

 

[Preti9cboi]

I just thought about this.

Wouldnt it be neat to play half life against someone on a console? heh

Or just any other game PC vs Consoles.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Preti9cboi
I just thought about this.

Wouldnt it be neat to play half life against someone on a console? heh

Or just any other game PC vs Consoles.

Microsoft is supposed to be unrolling some system like that where xbox live and the PC are together in one multiplayer universe. I don't have the slightest clue where I read that though, but that's what I heard.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: vision33r
Is it just me but seeing the 360, I don't think I want it until there are some really must have games? Most of the demos show current or near future type PC graphics.

Heh, that's because most if not all game devs don't even have final Xbox360 hardware to develop with. Specifically, they've been developing with a X800XT or so. Once they get the R500 in their hands, then we should see some nice things.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Preti9cboi
I just thought about this.

Wouldnt it be neat to play half life against someone on a console? heh

Or just any other game PC vs Consoles.

dreamcast had 4x4 evolution that was cross-platform with pc. played very smoothly most of the time.

i think that was the name anyway.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Preti9cboi
I just thought about this.

Wouldnt it be neat to play half life against someone on a console? heh

Or just any other game PC vs Consoles.

Microsoft is supposed to be unrolling some system like that where xbox live and the PC are together in one multiplayer universe. I don't have the slightest clue where I read that though, but that's what I heard.

that seems like a nice idea

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Jesus Christ, another one of these threads?

Long short of it: The PC will be fine, as it always has. No, PC gaming will not die. No, PC gaming is not endangered. Just like when the Xbox launched, the PC didn't care, and the situation is the same here.


Both platforms have their strengths, and if you really want to game, I mean truly game, you need to be in both arenas.

Exactly, well said.

 

[scsi drv1]

This is just bullshit, it only serves to affirm what many of us had already thought. If the technology put behind XBOX 360 can be released into the open market then we as P.C. gamers have been held out on for sometime. When its conveinent for a company to release something like this they do but we ask for more performance and nearly triple the market share for personal computing we get shit. I just hope that this is a wake up call to all gamers around the world that we need to get on these major companies and tell them to stop wasting our time and money and give us what we want. BETTER PARTS TO BUILD BETTER MACHINES! I am personally going to be at Quakecon this year doing what gamers do and I intend to fry a couple of spokes people about this particular topic.

 

[BenSkywalker]

When its conveinent for a company to release something like this they do but we ask for more performance and nearly triple the market share for personal computing we get shit.

You mean a third of the marketshare? PC gaming is dwarfed by consoles.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: Skotos

Originally posted by: carlosd
PC will always be the ultimate game machine. Don't forget that. By the time when XboX 360 is released, There will be comparable video hardware for the PC. From there you can update the PC hadrware every year, doubling it's Graphics power , the Xbox 360 will remain with the same hardware for 4 or 5 years, and will become a piece of crap whitin two years when the PC will be graphically far superior.

and so will a pc if you dont upgrade

and plus lets see you pay $500 dollers for a comparable video card

and then another $500 for the cpus

im glad your rich because i know im not

I am not upgrading by now , because my PC will run games perfecly smooth at least for a one more year, then I will get a new video card for 300-350, wich will be superioir to the one from Xbox 360 wich will cost 500 minimun. Besides I have read in some sites that the Xbox 360 will only be able to deliver graphic performance similar to a X700 GPU, because the ATI GPU will be limited by the very little frame buffer even if it is emmbeded in the same chip. So it seems I won't even have to upgrade to have superior graphics in my PC than the Xbox 360, thats a shame! The same happened whe the original xbox was launched, it was supossed to have the ultimate geforce 4 Ti chip (it was more like a Geforce 3.5) and microsoft talked about how powerfull this cosole was going to be, surpassing PC graphics, but whe it was launched it wasn't able to keep with my Ti4200 graphics. The same will happen to the nexgen consoles. The PC gaming world is constantly evolving and never stops, cosoles worlds evolves every 4 or 5 years. The actual consoles like Xbox, PS2 and gamecube are crap, and doesn't deliver anymore saticfactory gamin experiences, they are in the limit, PC always will have the power to satisfy even the mos avid gamer.

 

[scsi drv1]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

When its conveinent for a company to release something like this they do but we ask for more performance and nearly triple the market share for personal computing we get shit.

You mean a third of the marketshare? PC gaming is dwarfed by consoles.

I dont know about that one, the reason pc technology of such a matter that we have now would not be here were it not to be for pc gamers so I not only include pc games but external gpus, any ram moduels rated over pc3200, and many other things. To say that the console selling dwarfs pc number is shearly a matter of statistics.

 

[R3MF]

Originally posted by: carlosd

Originally posted by: Skotos

Originally posted by: carlosd
PC will always be the ultimate game machine. Don't forget that. By the time when XboX 360 is released, There will be comparable video hardware for the PC. From there you can update the PC hadrware every year, doubling it's Graphics power , the Xbox 360 will remain with the same hardware for 4 or 5 years, and will become a piece of crap whitin two years when the PC will be graphically far superior.

and so will a pc if you dont upgrade

and plus lets see you pay $500 dollers for a comparable video card

and then another $500 for the cpus

im glad your rich because i know im not

I am not upgrading by now , because my PC will run games perfecly smooth at least for a one more year, then I will get a new video card for 300-350, wich will be superioir to the one from Xbox 360 wich will cost 500 minimun. Besides I have read in some sites that the Xbox 360 will only be able to deliver graphic performance similar to a X700 GPU, because the ATI GPU will be limited by the very little frame buffer even if it is emmbeded in the same chip. So it seems I won't even have to upgrade to have superior graphics in my PC than the Xbox 360, thats a shame! The same happened whe the original xbox was launched, it was supossed to have the ultimate geforce 4 Ti chip (it was more like a Geforce 3.5) and microsoft talked about how powerfull this cosole was going to be, surpassing PC graphics, but whe it was launched it wasn't able to keep with my Ti4200 graphics. The same will happen to the nexgen consoles. The PC gaming world is constantly evolving and never stops, cosoles worlds evolves every 4 or 5 years. The actual consoles like Xbox, PS2 and gamecube are crap, and doesn't deliver anymore saticfactory gamin experiences, they are in the limit, PC always will have the power to satisfy even the mos avid gamer.

think of it as a buffer. believe me, it will be a bazillion times better than a x700!

 

[CCCHeel]

I'll buy a xbox 360 after a year or so, when the techies figure out how to mod them. Then I can just "back-up" all of my games, like I do now with my modded xbox.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: CCCHeel
I'll buy a xbox 360 after a year or so, when the techies figure out how to mod them. Then I can just "back-up" all of my games, like I do now with my modded xbox.

Way to support the game developers you love!!!

 

[CCCHeel]

Originally posted by: sparkyclarky

Originally posted by: CCCHeel
I'll buy a xbox 360 after a year or so, when the techies figure out how to mod them. Then I can just "back-up" all of my games, like I do now with my modded xbox.

Way to support the game developers you love!!!

I don't love any game developers, so I guess that doesn't apply...

 

[BenSkywalker]

I dont know about that one, the reason pc technology of such a matter that we have now would not be here were it not to be for pc gamers so I not only include pc games but external gpus, any ram moduels rated over pc3200, and many other things.

Huh? First off- RAM faster then PC3200- it's nice that the PC has started to make some progress here but do you realize that the fastest PC available today still can't match the XBox's system bandwidth(the original XBox, not the XB360 which is significantly faster)? The fastest RAM available today can't come remotely close to the eDRAM utilized in the XBox360(250GB/sec) and widest data path available on PCs pales in comparisons to the PS2's 2560(two thousand five hundred sixty) bit wide data path for its GS to its memory. PCs are lagging behind consoles by a large margin.

For external GPUs- the first time ATi managed to field a truly class leading chip was when they had ArtX- a team that developed console parts- came up with the R300 for them. They had always been a second tier IHV until that point. The console industry provided them with the talent they needed to be competitive with nVidia. For nVidia- they started out in the console business too. The NV1 was the graphics chip utilized in the Sega Saturn- they have now been in every generation of 3D consoles from the beginning.

Besides I have read in some sites that the Xbox 360 will only be able to deliver graphic performance similar to a X700 GPU

The R500 core is more advanced then the R520- it is based around a lot of the technology that will be utilized in the R600. Very ignorant sites are likely looking at the fill rate of the chip and mistakingly assuming that because of the lower peak fillrate number it is somehow comparable to existing PC parts.

and microsoft talked about how powerfull this cosole was going to be, surpassing PC graphics, but whe it was launched it wasn't able to keep with my Ti4200 graphics.

That is interesting considering when the XBox launched the GeForce4 was still a ways from launching. You weren't comparing your Ti4200 to the XBox at launch for certain, the GF3 Ti500 was the highest end part available for PCs when the XBox launched.

The actual consoles like Xbox, PS2 and gamecube are crap, and doesn't deliver anymore saticfactory gamin experiences, they are in the limit, PC always will have the power to satisfy even the mos avid gamer.

Show me games on the PC comparable to God of War, Forza, GT4 or Resident Evil 4. The most avid gamer will own all the platforms. You really think there are anyone on these forums that don't run both consoles and PCs? We see reality, not some warped imaginary viewpoint, all the time. All of the platforms have their place, without owning them all you are certainly not in a point where you can offer honest analysis of what they have to offer.