xbox 360

[Dukemaster]

I still think people are forgetting a few very important things when they compare the nex gen consoles to the pc. One is that a pc is NOT the ultimate gaming device. There are a lot of games that are released for the consoles that aren't released for the pc. And that's a huge number of games, bigger then the number of games that you can't play on a console and only on pc. Multiplayer with 3-4 people on the same screen isn't really possible with a pc either. Another thing is that soon any type of game will be playable on the console, because both the Xbox 360 aswell as the Playstation 3 have usb ports. And ys i know for 99% sure that you will be able to hook up your pc (optical)mouse and keyboard and even your steeringwheel to those consoles. Why? My Playstation 2 also has usb ports(a lot of people don't know that) and iv'e hooked up my pc optical mouse and keyboard and my Thrustmaster steering wheel many times and it worked fine, no drivers need. So why wouldn't it be the same with the new consoles, with probably will have online support. And one last thing that is very important is the fact tha gmedevelopers seem to be losing interest in the pc and gain interest in the consoles. There are already games that are coming out on the consoles first, and for the pc later on.

 

[Emultra]

Originally posted by: Pete
Heh, Emultra, I've heard the PS2's EE described as a V2 on steroids.

Okay, but imagine if the 3D accelerator trend never took place in the late nineties, how would things be?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Without modern computers, that fancy GPU of the Xbox 360 would be a Voodoo 2 with 8MB VRAM.

Might want to swap that around. nVidia was a player in the consoles before they were anything in the PC space(the NV1 was the Saturn's graphics chip) and ATi was an also ran until they aquired ArtX(the design team behind the N64, GameCube and R300). The current top dev teams in the PC graphics industry either started on consoles or joined teams who did.

Pete-

Heh, Emultra, I've heard the PS2's EE described as a V2 on steroids.

GS buddy, not the EE

 

[SVT Cobra]

nope not at all..stop with your misinformed "PC deing" comments.

 

[Clauzii]

The first thing ever that was showed on a computerscreen was a game...
Will it be the last ?????

 

[jlmadyson]

Ah, they best have enough for all at launch that's all I got to say.

 

[Cloudius]

I agree with everyone saying that to truly enjoy gaming and to be a gamer you should own both. Each one has their own set of weakness/strengths which have been stated numerous times on this thread. I personaly will be getting an xbox 360, i havnt had a console in a while and i am thursting for one. Also that graphics cards are extremely expensive and i am tierd of putting so much money into my computer. I love pc games but keeping one in tip top shape requires a lot of doe, which is in my opioion the greatest weakness of the PC Gaming.

 

[the splat in the hat]

meh a game console will never compair to a pc, remember when the p2 would blow all our pc s away , ''quote '' its got high tech millitary CRAP in it'' said sony, baahahahaha, junk, but they do get to trap alot of people into buying there crap, like tiny memory cards, work it out hundreds of dollars for a few megs of save space, meh, go my 300 gig hd, and the x box or p3 will never compair to our pc s , we r on the verge of 64 bit and ram adressing beyond, 32 bits wildest dream, the pure potential of these 64 bit pc s far outweighs and games console on the market.
And what are they at 128 bit or sumf, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, so how can my 32 bit x800xtpe look as good as a 128 bit xbox with ati graphics card, not to mention , updateability , what a joke, give 64 bit games a chance to come on pc and watch ALL the game consoles melt into the past..............

but thats just my opinion.....dont take it to heart....

 

[dklingen]

I was in the mall the other day and going by a games shop. There were about six or seven people standing around listening to the clerk "I was talking to an Intel representative the other day and he was telling me how the Playstation 3 is more powerful then a super computer" and these people were buying it. I started cracking up (which kind of annoyed the clerk). Let me get this right, an Intel rep was touting the PS3 instead of the Xbox360 which has their processors inside - I don't think so! Next how could a cell processor possibily outperform a supercomputer - quite absurd! Everything I have read has the cell being weaker then an Atlon64. NOT to mention the fact that NOBODY has any experience programming a multithreaded game (multi cpu game). I'll bet 99% of all games will use a single core for their games. If we are lucky at some point in the future they will off load decoding, sound, and physics to other processors. I don't even think the general public cares about the dual core cpus Intel/AMD are pushing...just my two cents.

 

[Emultra]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
FPS's are still better on Computer.

FPS, RTS, MMO, TPS, sim, mods, etc.

 

[mooncancook]

Another thing is that soon any type of game will be playable on the console, because both the Xbox 360 aswell as the Playstation 3 have usb ports.

It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use a mouse and keyboard while sitting at the couch.

 

[mdchesne]

holy McShiggles! 3 core? 48 pipelines? r500?

i just creamed myself!

dammit, if the package deal's price would drop to $300 I'd definately get it

 

[Slicedbread]

Its not gonna kill the pc, you have the hardcore nerdy gamers that play till they die and spend $1000's on pc components. As long as theyre alive the pc will exist. Of cources the pc and console will meld. You will still have the high end computers for those who feel "the only way to game is with a pc" but for the average user all they will need is a media center pc which xbox is in the early stages of. It will be able to connect to your windows pc and your able to videochat and im over xbox live, so all you need now is picture storage and a ms office.

 

[mdchesne]

i'd go get the 360 if i could use a keyboard and mouse. I just hate those stupid crontollers and the joysticks. FPS games were made for headshots, not to see who's thumb won't slip off first (just my rant of the day). and i heard 360's controllers were smaller ?!

 

[piddlefoot]

JUNK.......
stick to pc s, bring on 64 bit games ram addressing beyond belief and vr !

 

[supastar1568]

i just preorded xbox 360 today along with madden 2006.

i plan on getting perfect dark zero too.

the original one for n64 was what got me into first person shooters

 

[BenSkywalker]

Let me get this right, an Intel rep was touting the PS3 instead of the Xbox360 which has their processors inside - I don't think so!

The XBox360, Playstation3 and Nintendo Revolution are all using IBM processors- none of them are going with Intel this generation.

holy McShiggles! 3 core? 48 pipelines? r500?

The R500 uses different types of pipes then what we have seen. They are both vertex and pixel shader pipes as a shard resource however they are about half the speed of current pipes in high end parts(better to think of the R500 as a 24pipe part when comparing it to the G70 or R520).

i'd go get the 360 if i could use a keyboard and mouse.

MS already announced their own XB360 specific versions of keyboard and mouse.

 

[Hacp]

Back from the dead, Dun dun dun......

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

i'd go get the 360 if i could use a keyboard and mouse.

MS already announced their own XB360 specific versions of keyboard and mouse.

I think he means for gameplay, and I have seen MS talk about keyboards for text but nothing suggesting them as an option for gameplay and nothing about mice. I just dug around Google for a while but didn't turn up anything; were did you see MS anounce a mouse for the 360?

 

[imported_Rampage]

The beauty to consoles is that they have NO hardware restrictions as far as architechures.. no X86 crap.. nothing of the sort to deal with unless they choose to go that route.

They can use X86, or whatever they want to use.. imagine having a white board and engineering the best integrated, fastest computer you could create for gaming.. you could go nuts in designing things perfectly for gaming from the ground up.
Its most electrical engineers dream task.

Welcome to consoles.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I think he means for gameplay, and I have seen MS talk about keyboards for text but nothing suggesting them as an option for gameplay and nothing about mice.

You are correct- I was thinking of the press release MS put out a couple of weeks ago talking about the XB360 controller for the PC along with their 6000 series laser mouse- that mouse is only listed as supporting the PC though.... My mistake. Hopefully that will be fixed along with allowing users to use the mini keyboard for in game commands.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: scsi drv1
This is just , it only serves to affirm what many of us had already thought. If the technology put behind XBOX 360 can be released into the open market then we as P.C. gamers have been held out on for sometime. When its conveinent for a company to release something like this they do but we ask for more performance and nearly triple the market share for personal computing we get sht. I just hope that this is a wake up call to all gamers around the world that we need to get on these major companies and tell them to stop wasting our time and money and give us what we want. BETTER PARTS TO BUILD BETTER MACHINES! I am personally going to be at Quakecon this year doing what gamers do and I intend to fry a couple of spokes people about this particular topic.

No kidding!! Why am I paying 550 for a 24 pipeline card when a 48 pipe card is out there... why did ATI even bother making R520 instead of going straight to the Xbox similar R600???

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: scsi drv1
This is just , it only serves to affirm what many of us had already thought. If the technology put behind XBOX 360 can be released into the open market then we as P.C. gamers have been held out on for sometime. When its conveinent for a company to release something like this they do but we ask for more performance and nearly triple the market share for personal computing we get sht. I just hope that this is a wake up call to all gamers around the world that we need to get on these major companies and tell them to stop wasting our time and money and give us what we want. BETTER PARTS TO BUILD BETTER MACHINES! I am personally going to be at Quakecon this year doing what gamers do and I intend to fry a couple of spokes people about this particular topic.

No kidding!! Why am I paying 550 for a 24 pipeline card when a 48 pipe card is out there... why did ATI even bother making R520 instead of going straight to the Xbox similar R600???

Because DX isnt on a unified shader model yet.
Part of the advantage to building a console from the ground up like these guys get to do, no restrictions.

And remember, number of pipes isnt everything..

Also note: you cant buy a Xbox360 yet, you can buy an extremely fast, industry leading 24pipe GTX though.

And while you wait 5 years to get any kind of upgrade at all to your Xbox360 with unified architechure... PC users (while stuck with some architechural limitations that can't be removed) will be able to pop in a unified 82-pipe card while you are still on a mere 48.

 

[Continuity28]

As far as the processor goes, today's PC processors are already more advanced than what's on the XBOX 360. As far as the video processing unit, that is still beaten by 7800GTX SLI... so 360 is already beat by PCs as far as raw power...

No doubt games will look fantastic, hopefully there's fun titles. 1920x1080 does not beat 1920x1200 though.

I'm not one to judge a game by appearance, I say let's see how fun it is.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As far as the processor goes, today's PC processors are already more advanced than what's on the XBOX 360. As far as the video processing unit, that is still beaten by 7800GTX SLI... so 360 is already beat by PCs as far as raw power...

No doubt games will look fantastic, hopefully there's fun titles. 1920x1080 does not beat 1920x1200 though.

But you wont have the wife and kids in front of the Dell 2405 watching HDTV either after you are done gaming on it.. or have the guys over for the game on the 2405.
Those 120 pixels wont give you that much satisfaction either. Woot.
Esp as the PS3/360 games have no widescreen 1080 support issues.. and people scramble around trying to get BF2 working in widescreen (which ends up actually cutting off the top and bottom to make it fit.. its not proper widescreen support).


I dont know why you guys are saying todays PC processors are more advanced.. no they arent. :disgust: I also dont see a unified GPU on the PC yet. You wont be seeing nearly as many objects on screen with full physics like you will on the PS3/360 anytime soon at all (triple core CPU anyone? Cell allows for crazy possibilities in physics and onscreen numbers).

They've been talking about producing a dedicated physics chip for PCs just so it can keep pace.