xbox 360

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: supastar1568
you are getting more for your money by buying a console than by dropping loads of money into a PC. Period.

Xbox 360 is losing money on each console as it costs more to make each one than they are selling it.

My 400 dollars is really going toward something that cost probably around 500 dollars.

Where as if I buy a 400 dollar grapics card, it probably only cost 300-350 to produce as video card companies cant really make money off of games like consoles do.

You are getting more for your money by buying a console.

LOL. No you are not. You are playing games.

You cant make a since cent by gaming on an Xbox. A PC, even a $400.. you can actually make money on. Ebaying, web design, tons and tons of possiblities.. thats more for your money than jsut playing a video game.

 

[supastar1568]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: supastar1568
you are getting more for your money by buying a console than by dropping loads of money into a PC. Period.

Xbox 360 is losing money on each console as it costs more to make each one than they are selling it.

My 400 dollars is really going toward something that cost probably around 500 dollars.

Where as if I buy a 400 dollar grapics card, it probably only cost 300-350 to produce as video card companies cant really make money off of games like consoles do.

You are getting more for your money by buying a console.

LOL. No you are not. You are playing games.

You cant make a since cent by gaming on an Xbox. A PC, even a $400.. you can actually make money on. Ebaying, web design, tons and tons of possiblities.. thats more for your money than jsut playing a video game.

so when people go buy a 460 dollar 7800GTX its for ebaying and web design?

please

 

[imported_Rampage]

Who mentioned a GTX?
Do you even think?

You dont need a GTX for that stuff. But if you do happen to want one, and buy one.. at least its useful for those things as well.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Only they run games faster than any PC known to mankind.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Only they run games faster than any PC known to mankind.

no

 

[imported_Amuro]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
also, if it is 48 pipelines, just remember that if next gen NV and ATI are 32 and are SLI'ed then you got alot more than 48... and then there is the possibility of DUal GPU cards in SLI for a total of 4. Counting out PC's is a bad IDEA.

True true, but SLi rig will run at least $1 grand for 2 videocards alone. Add a fast cpu, mobo 1 gigs of ram, HDD, dvd roms etc and you are looking at 1.5 or more grand. I'd gladly sacrifice graphics quality and 200+ frames in games if xbox 360 is only $399. I 100% agree with you that PCs have no substitute for FPS and strategy games. However, the latter do not require a serious PC to run though. I ran Warcraft 3 at 1280x1024 everything on high with radeon 8500 (4 year old videocard!!!). The way I look at it, PC for FPS, strategy games and consoles for everything else. I think anyone who says consoles or PCs are better is missing the point. If you want to really enjoy games, you need to own both. PCs and consoles should live side by side based on differnet strength they provide. Last time I checked, PCs blow for sports games (lacks the atmosphere of laughing at friends when u score a goal), fighting games, action-adventure games and racing games. That means gamers who hate consoles on these forums are missing out on a lot of great games.

The only types of games I play are FPS, flight sims and some strategy.

 

[Sentry2]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Only they run games faster than any PC known to mankind.

no

Thank you, my thought exactly...I am buying a 360...but...it will not smoke all of our machines...

"NO"

 

[supastar1568]

Originally posted by: southpawuni
Who mentioned a GTX?
Do you even think?

You dont need a GTX for that stuff. But if you do happen to want one, and buy one.. at least its useful for those things as well.

I am comparing a PC for GAMING and a console for GAMING

nothing else.

obviously a PC can do more, but from a gaming perspective i think a console is a wiser choice for those who don't want/or have the money to update every year or so.

 

[RichUK]

Mouse & KB >pwnt> teh game pad, except for Tigerwoods 2005 (PS2 game pad needed)

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Sentry2

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Only they run games faster than any PC known to mankind.

no

Thank you, my thought exactly...I am buying a 360...but...it will not smoke all of our machines...

"NO"

Show me the machine it wont smoke.

 

[BigfootKevin]

I saw gameplay footage of Quake 4 on the Xbox 360. It was so choppy :\

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: Sentry2

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Only they run games faster than any PC known to mankind.

no

Thank you, my thought exactly...I am buying a 360...but...it will not smoke all of our machines...

"NO"

Show me the machine it wont smoke.

Pretty much any top of the line rig right now will be able to keep up with it. Two 7800 GTX in SLI mode is on par with it in terms of graphics bandwidth and memory. Not to mention that the console is a snapshot of 2005 technology... In will take about 1 year and the average gamers machine will dominate it, give it another year and even grandma's machine will be on par with it.

Consoles are somewhat impressive when they debut... But, after about 6 months nothing is cool about them and they look like crap. Halo 2? Everyone raved about it, but when I seen it, I couldn't help but notice the textures that were being rendered before my own eyes! I could not believe the game released like that... In some parts of the game, the textures cannot keep up.

Asside from that, in my opinion, games will always be better on the PC. With the ability to customize, use a keyboard and mouse, pretty much every game plays better on a PC. There is no disputing the fact that keyboard and mouse dominates a controller for FPS, MMO and RTS.

 

[AlucardX]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Mouse & KB >pwnt> teh game pad, except for Tigerwoods 2005 (PS2 game pad needed)

agreed, was goin to post the same thing.

 

[Tsosczb]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Blah blah blah

Blah blah blah usuc.

Uhh, so people can run out buy an Xbox360, go buy a Xbox360 compatible version of Quicken and do their taxes?
The hardware might be there, but its not very useful without the software. Nor the printer.
And, like MS said: Don't be counting on a hard drive for your software development.. so theres yet another blow to this nonexistent PC replacement.
They dont have 1/10th of the capabilities. Need a Quadro class video card for work? Can't pop it in your Xbox360. Need a firewire port for your digital camera? Oops no way to add ANY add-in cards to it.

Not to mention Adobe Photoshop is not programmed to work with a PS3.

Add all the functionality to a console to actually match the PC and you merely have created a cheap PC competitor.. with a massive task on its hands to take over the PC market that is extremely deep rooted.

Basically a 360, IF given the vast extensions it needs to do all of this stuff, would probably slow down as a result and become a much less appealing gaming platform for gamers AND devs.
You basically have something like the old Macintoshes (at best, at least Mac had popular useful software constantly available like Photoshop ect).


Its an uphill task taking on Intel, Dell and AMD with a PowerPC/ATI/NV powered box.. the market saturation of PC software is indomitable.

And MS is not going to kill their true cash cow, the PC market by putting the Xbox in direct competition with PCs.. and as stated, even if they wanted to it'd be an uphill battle in gaining software support and user acceptance.



So in conclusion, you are merely referring to a very small modder community putting Linux on their Xboxes.. and even those guys are probably using another PC right now reading this. Its a hobbyist thing, and it wont ever be anythign else for the reasons outlined in this post.


Your argument has been slain.
PCs, conquer, all.

Way to be ignorant. To end this argument, I just need to go back to my original quote.

Or so they're becoming

Hmm, now lets look back at the NES or any other system from back in the day. What did they do? They played a game. That was it. They didn't do ANYTHING else. Then ever since the Playstation, and other CD based systems, they started playing music CDs, out of convenience. Then they had internal clocks, could read CD-RWs, had memory cards and even hard drives... etc.

See what I meant? The point is that gaming consoles are becoming more like PCs with every generation. I didn't say they were any kind of PC replacement, and it would be stupid to think I did. Notice how the word "becoming" implies progress and uses a future tense.

I even already mentioned you could install Linux or media center applicatons, so you basically could have most of the utilities included in a PC except proprietary Windows programs. I guess you haven't been keeping up on console technology. Technology from even 6 years ago. Did you ever own any consoles? Namely, the Dreamcast? It was basically the first system able to go online, and it had a built in browser. Now even the PSP is fully capable of going online.

Since you mentioned ports: the PS3 alone will has integrate Ethernet, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, USB ports, support for SD and CompactFlash cards, and has all types of HD support. You can only have most of those in a typical PC is after you install the peripheral hardware. The PS3 actually sounds comparable to cartain Mac varieties, in the way they tried to make simplified personal computers.

You also mention the printer. Come on, that's not even part of the PC. You're naming all this extra stuff that are peripherals, and that could probably even work on a Linux hacked console.

And by the way, who gives a crap about tax programs...

Its an uphill task taking on Intel, Dell and AMD with a PowerPC/ATI/NV powered box.. the market saturation of PC software is indomitable.

I thought I would give this its own section, simply because it's so profoundly retarded. Why mention those companies? First off, didn't you know that Intel made the processors for the XBox? And do you even know of all the other competition out there? You must not know all of the ways Intel and even AMD use their technology, either. No one is even saying anything remotely close to "Consoles are taking over."

 

[Tsosczb]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Pretty much any top of the line rig right now will be able to keep up with it.

You know for a fact? Oh, you don't? You just looked at a few specs before anything was released? Sorry to hear that.

Two 7800 GTX in SLI mode is on par with it in terms of graphics bandwidth and memory.

So basically, a multi-thousand dollar system is on par with the best next-gen system. And again, speculation.

Not to mention that the console is a snapshot of 2005 technology...

Uhh, no. The stuff is still in development. What you imply here may have been true for the last generation, but this case might be a little different. It's not just using the current top of the line parts.

In will take about 1 year and the average gamers machine will dominate it, give it another year and even grandma's machine will be on par with it.

Ha. You don't know jack about consoles. Have you seen the some of the latest games? They look tons better than games from several years ago, on the same systems. As the coding becomes more efficient, it only makes the hardware seem that much better.

Asside from that, in my opinion, games will always be better on the PC. With the ability to customize, use a keyboard and mouse, pretty much every game plays better on a PC. There is no disputing the fact that keyboard and mouse dominates a controller for FPS, MMO and RTS.

Oh yeah? Well I disagree. My opinion > your opinion. Fact.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Pretty much any top of the line rig right now will be able to keep up with it.

You know for a fact? Oh, you don't? You just looked at a few specs before anything was released? Sorry to hear that.

Two 7800 GTX in SLI mode is on par with it in terms of graphics bandwidth and memory.

So basically, a multi-thousand dollar system is on par with the best next-gen system. And again, speculation.

Not to mention that the console is a snapshot of 2005 technology...

Uhh, no. The stuff is still in development. What you imply here may have been true for the last generation, but this case might be a little different. It's not just using the current top of the line parts.

In will take about 1 year and the average gamers machine will dominate it, give it another year and even grandma's machine will be on par with it.

Ha. You don't know jack about consoles. Have you seen the some of the latest games? They look tons better than games from several years ago, on the same systems. As the coding becomes more efficient, it only makes the hardware seem that much better.

Asside from that, in my opinion, games will always be better on the PC. With the ability to customize, use a keyboard and mouse, pretty much every game plays better on a PC. There is no disputing the fact that keyboard and mouse dominates a controller for FPS, MMO and RTS.

Oh yeah? Well I disagree. My opinion > your opinion. Fact.

Oh my! Such a great rebuttal that I was almost scared to respond. On second thought, I laughed all the way through it.

I did find it rather funny how you are taking this so personally... Did your face get all red and worked up during that poor attempt at a rebuttal?

You are basically acusing me of speculation, when you have nothing more to offer. Judging by your attitude combined with your low post count means that you joined this forum as a know-it-all.

Feel free to dissagree and try not to take this so personally, it is just a forum

 

[Tsosczb]

My point was that you are speculating and going off opinions. I don't see how it's so hard to understand that.

It sounds like a lot of you guys' PC-manhood is somehow being threatened, even though the PC/Console war has been the same for years now.

Damn, even the way you assume others' dispositions is speculating. Look at the facts, people.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Tsosczb
My point was that you are speculating and going off opinions. I don't see how it's so hard to understand that.

It sounds like a lot of you guys' PC-manhood is somehow being threatened, even though the PC/Console war has been the same for years now.

Damn, even the way you assume others' dispositions is speculating. Look at the facts, people.

They really should watch these Junior High kids when in computer class. Otherwise they go here posting and spewing posts like they are the most knowledgable person on earth. But in defense, most of us were like that in Junior High...

Anyway, get to your next class Jr.


Edit ** But in response to your post, I can only laugh when you say things like

Tsosczb My point was that you are speculating and going off opinions. I don't see how it's so hard to understand that.

Being that the XBOX 360 is not available, isn't this whole thread going to be full of speculators? Think before you speak. Everyone here is a speculator and nothing will be proven until the future is the past or present... So why state such an obvious point?

 

[MustangSVT]

well... will it have a WORKING force feedback wheel this time?

 

[Tsosczb]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Edit ** But in response to your post, I can only laugh when you say things like

Tsosczb My point was that you are speculating and going off opinions. I don't see how it's so hard to understand that.

Being that the XBOX 360 is not available, isn't this whole thread going to be full of speculators? Think before you speak. Everyone here is a speculator and nothing will be proven until the future is the past or present... So why state such an obvious point?

Again you miss the point. You can speculate all you want and it wouldn't bother me, the problem is when you get to retarded conclusions like "Consoles sux0rz PC 4 lief !!!" You can't get to any sort of complete conclusion yet, so talking that way is pointless and just trying to inanely support your side.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Edit ** But in response to your post, I can only laugh when you say things like

Tsosczb My point was that you are speculating and going off opinions. I don't see how it's so hard to understand that.

Being that the XBOX 360 is not available, isn't this whole thread going to be full of speculators? Think before you speak. Everyone here is a speculator and nothing will be proven until the future is the past or present... So why state such an obvious point?

Again you miss the point. You can speculate all you want and it wouldn't bother me, the problem is when you get to retarded conclusions like "Consoles sux0rz PC 4 lief !!!" You can't get to any sort of complete conclusion yet, so talking that way is pointless and just trying to inanely support your side.

I am pretty sure, beyond any doubt that I never said anything like that. If others said it, take your beef with them. Be specific, because I have not seen anyone post what you have written.

 

[fstime]

Yes, it is the end.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: Sentry2

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Only they run games faster than any PC known to mankind.

no

Thank you, my thought exactly...I am buying a 360...but...it will not smoke all of our machines...

"NO"

Show me the machine it wont smoke.

Pretty much any top of the line rig right now will be able to keep up with it. Two 7800 GTX in SLI mode is on par with it in terms of graphics bandwidth and memory. Not to mention that the console is a snapshot of 2005 technology... In will take about 1 year and the average gamers machine will dominate it, give it another year and even grandma's machine will be on par with it.

Consoles are somewhat impressive when they debut... But, after about 6 months nothing is cool about them and they look like crap. Halo 2? Everyone raved about it, but when I seen it, I couldn't help but notice the textures that were being rendered before my own eyes! I could not believe the game released like that... In some parts of the game, the textures cannot keep up.

Asside from that, in my opinion, games will always be better on the PC. With the ability to customize, use a keyboard and mouse, pretty much every game plays better on a PC. There is no disputing the fact that keyboard and mouse dominates a controller for FPS, MMO and RTS.

If a PC and a console have equal specs, the console will still absolutely dust the PC hands down. Maybe you don't realize the level of efficiency of a console in comparison to a PC.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: Sentry2

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tsosczb

Originally posted by: Therk
A console is a poor mans PC.

Or so they're becoming.

Only they run games faster than any PC known to mankind.

no

Thank you, my thought exactly...I am buying a 360...but...it will not smoke all of our machines...

"NO"

Show me the machine it wont smoke.

Pretty much any top of the line rig right now will be able to keep up with it. Two 7800 GTX in SLI mode is on par with it in terms of graphics bandwidth and memory. Not to mention that the console is a snapshot of 2005 technology... In will take about 1 year and the average gamers machine will dominate it, give it another year and even grandma's machine will be on par with it.

Consoles are somewhat impressive when they debut... But, after about 6 months nothing is cool about them and they look like crap. Halo 2? Everyone raved about it, but when I seen it, I couldn't help but notice the textures that were being rendered before my own eyes! I could not believe the game released like that... In some parts of the game, the textures cannot keep up.

Asside from that, in my opinion, games will always be better on the PC. With the ability to customize, use a keyboard and mouse, pretty much every game plays better on a PC. There is no disputing the fact that keyboard and mouse dominates a controller for FPS, MMO and RTS.

If a PC and a console have equal specs, the console will still absolutely dust the PC hands down. Maybe you don't realize the level of efficiency of a console in comparison to a PC.

Yes and no... That is debatable about the performance of both. There is "theory" and "actual" often times they do not coincide. But I fully understand that the console should be more effecient, but to what extent in this case? Who knows. Hardware still has it's limitation no matter how carefully it is coded, it has a limit and that is why I do not put a lot of weight into the so called "efficiency" of consoles.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: supastar1568

Originally posted by: southpawuni
Who mentioned a GTX?
Do you even think?

You dont need a GTX for that stuff. But if you do happen to want one, and buy one.. at least its useful for those things as well.

I am comparing a PC for GAMING and a console for GAMING

nothing else.

obviously a PC can do more, but from a gaming perspective i think a console is a wiser choice for those who don't want/or have the money to update every year or so.

At first you try telling me how a Xbox has "all the hardware" needed to do computer task.. I show you it does indeed NOT.
And that its not even close, without a chance in hell of becoming a comp.. and never will be due to the reasons I've already told you.

Now you go back to "just comparing a gaming device to a gaming device".
Nice try. But I already covered the fact that you do not need a 7800GTX every year to play games on the PC.

Theres not a single game that requires a 7800GTX, nor anything even close to that.


Quit comparing a top of the line PC to a stupid little Xbox.
You are taking the cheapest piece of crap possible that plays games and does nothing else at all.. to a machine that not only games, but you can go to college online with, make a living with, save tons of cash with..

Theres no comparison at all besides to you stupid kids that just care about games. I dont mind spending $800 on a PC and getting something that is actually useful.

Yes, some of us have lifes beyond gaming. And our PC games are pretty damn good too.