Almost? Almost is not an absolute. Therefore, FLOPS in terms of performance means nothing, because it is not an absolute. If it were an absolute, then it would mean something.
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Almost? Almost is not an absolute. Therefore, FLOPS in terms of performance means nothing, because it is not an absolute. If it were an absolute, then it would mean something.
If that were close to being true then saying that the X850XTPE is faster then the GeForce3 would mean nothing as there are instances where the GeForce3 is significantly faster in executing certain effects then the X80XTPE. There are nigh no absolutes, so nigh nothing has meaning according to you.
Originally posted by: malG
BTW, NVIDIA loves the XBOX 360 because they're getting free money from licensing NVIDIA's technology. I hope XBOX 360 does well
I would say a X2 4800 is eleventy thousand times faster than the XB360 CPU. Just claims whatever you want till somebody can compare them with hard benches.Six to ten times the FLOPS of the fastest current desktop CPUs- forget the 733 P3 in the XB1.
what does his decision has anything to do with the XB360 CPU?? He must think "wow the XB360 CPU is 6-10 times faster than any current desktop CPU, I better switch to XBox". I assume next year he'll switch platform to PS3 for the same reason. Maybe sooner or later he'll switch his lead platform to some kind of military super computer.Carmack has dropped the PC as his lead dev platform and switched over to the XB360- guess he must be an ignorant fanboy that doesn't know what he is doing
That has always been the case... If you dissagree, then you must steriotype people, and that is largely considered a sign of ignorance.
I would say a X2 4800 is eleventy thousand times faster than the XB360 CPU. Just claims whatever you want till somebody can compare them with hard benches.
what does his decision has anything to do with the XB360 CPU??
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
That has always been the case... If you dissagree, then you must steriotype people, and that is largely considered a sign of ignorance.
For young children and the mindless you would be correct. Low income people tend to commit more violent crimes then those of higher income levels. That is a point of fact. As a societal issue refusal to accept reality and create a strategy to deal with it shows only that you want to see more violent crime or simply don't care. Creating a proper strategy requires utilization of a 'stereotype'- one simply based on proper analysis. Stereotypes overwhelmingly exist because there is some foundation in reality(although the only way to approach any of them is with statistical analysis) and when looking outside of the micro level you should always keep this in mind. Where stereotypes become dangerous is when they are used to judge any individual- the mistake that causes the ignorant to misuse stereotypical information.
I would say a X2 4800 is eleventy thousand times faster than the XB360 CPU. Just claims whatever you want till somebody can compare them with hard benches.
The peak FLOPS rating of the chips are known- I responded to a comment dealing directly with that.
what does his decision has anything to do with the XB360 CPU??
It doesn't- that is why it was a seperate paragraph from the comment about the CPU. English 101- I highly reccomend it
That's not "developers". That's someone speaking for them in general terms. For all I know, it could have been one or two developers that just aren't used to it or have been more into the PC market or something.Originally posted by: compgeek89
OK then
The most ironic bit of it all is that according to developers, if either manufacturer had decided to use an Athlon 64 or a Pentium D in their next-gen console, they would be significantly ahead of the competition in terms of CPU performance.
Thats developers right there, and PC cpus are so far ahead of the "Incredible CPUs" in the next gen consoles that technology that would compare to them wouldnt even sell.
NOTHING says that they are weak. And this just shows how much you obviously don't know. The thing is that they CAN'T sell them that cheap, but they still do. It's not like video card makers, where they have to maintain a profit by having inflated prices (I assume it's that way); consoles lately have actually been worth more than they cost, making the companies LOSE money. They try to make that up in liscensing and games, etc.Originally posted by: compgeek89
Dude, the CPUs in the consoles are weak. Why do you think they can make them so cheaply?
LOL. We do? Unless you're on some insider track that nobody knows of, I highly doubt that is correct.You just better hope those video cards are what matters. But we know nVidia already has a unified architecture card waiting for realease in spring-summer 06, so your o so great xenos advantage is almost gone too. (If it ever existed)
Oh come on, dude. There's always exceptions to the rule, that's why it's usually best to not say absolutes. The fact is, having the good spec is better than not. So it goes in its favor.Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Almost? Almost is not an absolute. Therefore, FLOPS in terms of performance means nothing, because it is not an absolute. If it were an absolute, then it would mean something.
I thought it's well known that FLOPS number does not mean a whole lot (though not meaningless), let alone some THEORETICAL PEAK FLOPS by some marketing ppl. Maybe it's not as bad as saying my $5 160W speaker is 4 times better than my $100 40W speaker, but close.The peak FLOPS rating of the chips are known- I responded to a comment dealing directly with that.
Thanks for the recommendation (note spelling). It's been discussing CPU all along, so what is your point of throwing Carmack out suddenly? I think it's logical to assume you put it out as another supporting point that XBox CPU is faster. Maybe you need to retake Eng 101 instead. Oh and using clever words to try to put ppl down and put yourself up does not make you look better and more credible.It doesn't- that is why it was a seperate paragraph from the comment about the CPU. English 101- I highly reccomend it
Long short of it: The PC will be fine, as it always has. No, PC gaming will not die.
Links? For what? Are you that moronic that you need to read something off a website to believe it?Originally posted by: compgeek89
SamYung you provide no proof or links.
Originally posted by: Preti9cboi
I wonder if it's possible to hook up the xbox 360 to my dell 2005fpw. heh
Yes, I am very skeptical of those results.
THEORETICAL PEAK FLOPS by some marketing ppl
Thanks for the recommendation (note spelling).
It's been discussing CPU all along, so what is your point of throwing Carmack out suddenly?
I think it's logical to assume you put it out as another supporting point that XBox CPU is faster.
Oh and using clever words to try to put ppl down and put yourself up does not make you look better and more credible.
Originally posted by: SumYungGai
Links? For what? Are you that moronic that you need to read something off a website to believe it?Originally posted by: compgeek89
SamYung you provide no proof or links.
The only thing I can think of that you might talking about is about the Unreal 3 makers, and that was said in person at the E3 showing. It was a live demo of it in real time, and it looked better than anything a PC could throw at it, even for today which is months later.
And about the consoles actually losing money for the makers, that's nearly common knowledge by now. If you look it up yourself, you'll see that Microsoft actually lost about $4 billion overall, mainly because they're new to gaming. How about you actually learn this stuff instead of ending up with someone shoving your foot in your mouth by way of some links.
My feeling is why bring on FLOPS to compare performance of CPUs. It's like ppl don't use peak power rating to compare PSUs, and don't use peak output to compare speakers because they can be misleading.How close devs will be able to get to that theoretical peak is another matter entirely, but the theoretical peak numbers are figured the same for all of the chips.
this is another part i disagree with you. It's always others fault but never yours. When you state something and ppl misunderstood you then it's always a problem with their comprehensive skill. You know you are human too, don't you?! You know that's why I think you often try to put ppl down, whether intentionally or not. I'm not excluding myself either from doing the same either.you are the first to point out the obvious error despite my using it whenever I am taking issue with people's comprehension skills
yeah thinking about if I should build a htpc or buy the 360 for the living room. But have to wait till I get a HDTV, and maybe wait for the new Nintendo coz i like Nitendo games. I can't own all the 3 new consoles coz never I'll have enough time to play games on those consoles plus my PC. Life is too short for games!probably. who's getting the 360? hopefully i will
My feeling is why bring on FLOPS to compare performance of CPUs.
It's like ppl don't use peak power rating to compare PSUs, and don't use peak output to compare speakers because they can be misleading.
When you state something and ppl misunderstood you then it's always a problem with their comprehensive skill.
I understand we can speculate, much like we are all speculating about the R520 (hopefully until tomorrow). I have a problem when ppl use them to draw conclusion, like the other guy i responded claiming that XB360 CPU is 6-10 times faster as fact or conclusion. I think Anand realized he made the same mistake of hasty conclusion in the XB360 article maybe that's why he took it off.when you don't have all the information available you can at least get a vague notion.
that's cool, but realize that a lot of times we think we fully understand so we don't go ask for clarification on everything. It's not a huge problem, but we just need to realize and acknowledge it or else conversation will go down the drain and ppl start flaming all over the place. Heck a lot of arguments between my gf and I stem from this kind of misunderstanding.If I am not certain what someone is trying to say I ask for clarification. That is what you do when something isn't made clear and you want to know.
Huh? What in the bloody hell is this dude talking about...Originally posted by: compgeek89
O please, turn it around and suddenly links are unimportant. I used common sense and it wasnt good enough, then I use links and you say "Bah links, use common sense"
Try some of your own medicine.