Wow this card really works good, got it to replace a 9800 pro 128mb, a good card but showing its age. I was a little leary about the XFX brand, especially the fan on the card, looks a little cheap.. but seems to work just fine..its a little bit longer thant he 9800 pro, but I got it in there ok...I am using the latest forceware drivers.. so I guess I will wait til the new rivatuner comes out to try to unlock the extra pipes..dosent really matter this card works great stock..got it from new egg for $274 shipped, full retail box..I can tell quite a difference playing Unreal tournament 2004 at 1280x1024 at holey shi* settings.