YAGT: OMG I love guns

[irishScott]

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1....,cf.osb&fp=900be577714944b4&biw=898&bih=1066

Your local store should be able to get it for 800 or less.

Or if you shop around you could find one of Sig's "Certified Pre-Owned" pistols.
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/certified-pre-owned-sig-sauer.aspx

They're typically an awesome deal, and unlike technology refurbs actually go through a quality refurbishing.

Traded in by law enforcement agencies for new SIG SAUER pistols, these pre-owned SIG SAUER pistols go through a stringent Factory Certification process. Each pistol is stripped, refitted with original factory parts where needed, cleaned, lubricated, function tested and hand-inspected by a SIG SAUER factory technician. That’s your guarantee of the legendary SIG SAUER quality.

I know it sounds like marketing hype, but I know several people who bought them and they've all had zero problems. Only downside is the 1-year warranty, but that's a lot better than the "no warranty" that comes with most used guns.

 

[Kyle]

Had my eye on a Springfield xdm .45 compact, but now not sure w/ the ammo prices...may go try some other 9mm's

 

[rayfieldclement]

My brother in law took me to the shooting range today and it was my first time ever shooting a gun. We got there around 1:30 pm, shot for a couple hours, and almost 12 hours later I'm still raving about it. Easily one of the most fun things I've done. Now I'm obsessed with guns, lol. :awe: Just wish they weren't so damn expensive.

We shot the two guns he had, which were the Ruger SR22 (.22) and the Glock 22 (.40). Man, what a difference in feel and power and everything between those two calibers. The .40 initially made me kinda nervous lol. It was an absolute perfect day to go shooting and there were barely any other people there. There were enough for me to get the etiquette of the range down, though, which was nice.

So, without further ado, I have some questions for you (this list will grow throughout the thread, I'm sure):

1)My BIL was wondering what gun you recommend in the 9mm category with a budget of $500-700. Any opinions?

Get a Ruger Sr9 or a glock 17

To go from a .22 to a .40 is a big leap. Enjoy Guns.

 

[olds]

http://www.kygunco.com/category.cfm/keenes/Summer-Sale-2012

 

[olds]

And if you are in Sacramento, I'd encourage to use Golden State Tactical (in Fair Oaks) as your FFL. Rob is a good guy and will take care of you.

http://www.goldenstatetactical.com

 

[shortylickens]

Had my eye on a Springfield xdm .45 compact, but now not sure w/ the ammo prices...may go try some other 9mm's

Springfield XDS is even smaller. Should be out soon.

 

[velillen]

So you're pretty much gonna have to pay about $900 or so for a sig p226, right?

Id have to double check but i got my sig p226 for ~$750 before tax. After tax and everything it came to ~$850. Wasnt the cheapest ive seen but the cost in gas made up for it for me vs going somewhere slightly cheaper.

One thing to know as well is quite a few guns (sigs, baretta 92 series, and i believe glocks) you can buy a .22lr conversion slide. Just slides on/off like you were field stripping the gun and you can change from you 9mm (or 40/45) to a 22lr. But those do seem to run around 300 bucks. But its nice have the same trigger pulls and grips.

 

[alkemyst]

A P226 at $900 is paying MSRP....there are a few models in the lineup.

BudsGunShop.com is a good sanity check on pricing. The lowest cost P226R 9mm (w/ 3 mags) is $735 (cash)

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411550002/SIG+P226R+9MM+3MAGS+15RD

 

[RampantAndroid]

.22 is so damn cheap! It's just that it doesn't feel as awesome as something a little bigger.

Agreed. My two revolvers are DAMN fun, BECAUSE they;re so powerful.

I think i have more fun shooting my .22 Savage BTV than any of my other guns.
That thing is super accurate and I love it! I would never trade or sell it.

To each their own. I love my M1A to death

 

[RampantAndroid]

Shop for ammo deals. Buying in bulk is the best approach. Russian steel-cased ammo is the cheapest you'll find, but make sure whatever you're buying is allowed where you shoot--some only allow brass-cased so they can collect it for reloading.

Err, actually they don't like steel cased because it can spark.

Generally, indoor range ammo must:
Be brass cased
Non steel core (no armor piercing rounds, lest it clear the backstop.)
Metal that contacts the rifling must be jacketed due to OSHA regulations (no sawged lead bullets. You DON'T want to breath a cloud of lead in.
Non steel jacket. (Lest it become an ignition source on the backstop.)

I have some steel core .308 rounds. They're kept for emergencies, given that they can clear a few walls or body armor before stopping.

 

[BladeVenom]

Err, actually they don't like steel cased because it can spark.

What? There's a huge spark coming out of the end of the gun. I'm not sure what difference a small spark that could come from steel would make.

 

[RampantAndroid]

What? There's a huge spark coming out of the end of the gun. I'm not sure what difference a small spark that could come from steel would make.

Check the ground in front of the firing line the next time. If you feel like it, take a match to it. It can spark when on the floor.

 

[BladeVenom]

Check the ground in front of the firing line the next time. If you feel like it, take a match to it. It can spark when on the floor.

But shooting ranges are made of concrete. A small spark isn't going to set the building ablaze.

Only brass is allowed because of recycling contracts.
http://gunnuts.net/2011/08/26/ammunition-restrictions-explained/
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=9641

 

[coxmaster]

Err, actually they don't like steel cased because it can spark.

The case has nothing to do with it in 90% of cases.

The fact is that **some** steel case ammo is bi-metal jacket. The bi-metal jacketed ammo is what causes sparks. There is still a lot of steel case ammo that is 100% copper jacket and odds are your indoor range will be more than happy to let you shoot it.

 

[irishScott]

But shooting ranges are made of concrete. A small spark isn't going to set the building ablaze.

Only brass is allowed because of recycling contracts.
http://gunnuts.net/2011/08/26/ammunition-restrictions-explained/
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=9641

Yes, made of concrete and filled with gunpowder residue. Sparks are not good.

 

[pontifex]

The case has nothing to do with it in 90% of cases.

The fact is that **some** steel case ammo is bi-metal jacket. The bi-metal jacketed ammo is what causes sparks. There is still a lot of steel case ammo that is 100% copper jacket and odds are your indoor range will be more than happy to let you shoot it.

yeah, case isn't going to be the issue. it's the steel core of the bullet.

 

[shortylickens]

I recommend OP head to S-Mart and purchase a boom stick.

 

[Pia]

Yes, made of concrete and filled with gunpowder residue. Sparks are not good.

Shooting ranges should be diligent about both cleaning and ventilation (if not because of the fire hazard, then just because visitors will eventually breathe in whatever crap is not cleaned away). But I have never heard of sparks being considered a concern at a gun range. If the bowling ball sized muzzle flares (from big revolvers etc.) and hot casings do not ignite the powder and debris, why would sparks do it?

 

[basslover1]

Shooting ranges should be diligent about both cleaning and ventilation (if not because of the fire hazard, then just because visitors will eventually breathe in whatever crap is not cleaned away). But I have never heard of sparks being considered a concern at a gun range. If the bowling ball sized muzzle flares (from big revolvers etc.) and hot casings do not ignite the powder and debris, why would sparks do it?

The same reason a lit cigarette dropped into a puddle of gas wont ignite it but a lit match will?

 

[irishScott]

Shooting ranges should be diligent about both cleaning and ventilation (if not because of the fire hazard, then just because visitors will eventually breathe in whatever crap is not cleaned away). But I have never heard of sparks being considered a concern at a gun range. If the bowling ball sized muzzle flares (from big revolvers etc.) and hot casings do not ignite the powder and debris, why would sparks do it?

It's not a major concern at most, but it's like putting on a seat belt. In my case I've never had an accident in close to a decade of driving, I still wear a seat belt.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[slag]

Get a Ruger Sr9 or a glock 17

To go from a .22 to a .40 is a big leap. Enjoy Guns.

The glock 19 is a sweet handgun for around $500.00 and is 19 mm. Comes with two 15 round magazines and carrying case.

 

[slag]

So how much should i expect to pay for an FFL transfer fee if i buy online? I think most places around here charge $25. Honestly, how the hell would i know if they decided to open it and play with it or something?

One weird thing about guns is that it seems to me like "new" guns are touched and handled and shit lol. Whereas i know if i get a new computer part, its in the box. For some odd reason it seems like everything involving guns is shady, haha. This all probably sounds completely crazy and unfounded but it seems like everything is...unregulated or something.

They will test fire them for accuracy. When I bought mine new, it was dry, not oily like some people have reported, and came with a little pouch with the two spent casings in it. Came with a barrel lock, coupon for the NRA, two magazines, and a dohickey to help load the bullets in the magazines.

 

[irishScott]

So how much should i expect to pay for an FFL transfer fee if i buy online? I think most places around here charge $25. Honestly, how the hell would i know if they decided to open it and play with it or something?

One weird thing about guns is that it seems to me like "new" guns are touched and handled and shit lol. Whereas i know if i get a new computer part, its in the box. For some odd reason it seems like everything involving guns is shady, haha. This all probably sounds completely crazy and unfounded but it seems like everything is...unregulated or something.

Actually the firearms industry is much more heavily regulated than the computer industry. But that's another topic.

FFL fees generally run $20-30.

An honest FFL will not play with your gun, and IIRC the contract inherent in an FFL transfer prevents them from doing so without your permission. They may look inside the box and inspect it to see everything's there, but technically it's hands off.

Anyway, what's so shady about new guns being handled? How a gun feels in your hand/the ergonomics of the controls is a critical part of the purchase. You might as well ask why cars can be test driven, only in the case of a gun all you're doing is sitting in the car and pushing the buttons.

 

[irishScott]

They will test fire them for accuracy. When I bought mine new, it was dry, not oily like some people have reported, and came with a little pouch with the two spent casings in it. Came with a barrel lock, coupon for the NRA, two magazines, and a dohickey to help load the bullets in the magazines.

They will? Maybe if you give them permission. The factory almost certainly test-fires the gun, but beyond that...