I'm spoiled by Amazon Prime. I expect everything to ship same/next day and be here in 2 days. I ordered from Palmetto State Armory on the 16th and I have yet to hear anything beyond my initial order confirmation. Emailed them a couple of days ago and I've received no status on my order. Pretty frustrating having a completed lower just waiting to pair to their upper.
Meh, I think a lot of the 1911 hate is unfounded.
Any modern mainstream 4" or larger 1911 (IE ruger, SW, Springfield, Colt, even RIA) is very unlikely to have an issue. All of these companies are great at warranty work.
And as far as reliability, I have yet to see a truly unmodified mainstream 1911 that was not reliable OTHER than screws ups caused by what I call 'internet gunsmiths'. IE people who watch a youtube video and try to adjust their extractor or trigger.
You simply can't adjust this stuff on a glock, so it is more idiot proof. Plus the 1911 platform attracts 'tinkerers'.
All of that being said, if you line up the "stats" on an excel spreadsheet the plastic guns will win every time. I still greatly prefer 1911s, in part due to the nostalgia of what the platform has seen.
I pretty much agree. People here are acting like he got a gun that can only be operated reliably and taken apart after 1000s of hours of study and practice. lulz
As to your cleaning kit question dabudda, I picked up one of those complete cleaning kits (they come in a little silver briefcase lookin thing) from Walmart, but I have several rifles and pistols so it might be overkill for you. But even so, not a bad deal IMO. For cleaning products I use Breakfree CLP and Frog Lube CLP for general cleaning, Hoppes #9 for bore cleaning, Hoppes Gun Oil and Outers Choke Tube and Gun Grease (awesome stuff) for lubrication. Hope that helps.
Imagine having an upper, gas block, tube, handguard, and everything else, EXCEPT for the damn dust cover. Everything I ordered is either here or will be tomorrow, but Amazon has been slow with the dust cover. Can't do anything until that gets here
I pretty much agree. People here are acting like he got a gun that can only be operated reliably and taken apart after 1000s of hours of study and practice. lulz
Yeah that is totally what we said
Fact: a 1911 has more points of failure
Fact: a 1911 has more parts during field strip to clean
Fact: a 1911 has tighter tolerances
Fact: a 1911 generally needs more lube (I clean and lube my 1911 about once a month)
Nobody said they were bad guns, just that for new shooters it is easier to maintain other firearms if someone is unfamiliar with them in general. I have seen many people with a 1911 not understand what the bushing does, what the sear does, where to lube and how much to use, that those discount magazines at the local gun show have cheap springs that wear out and cause feed issues, and they didn't even know how to safety check the thing...how to make sure the thumb and grip safety function correctly.
A 1911 can be a superbly nice shooter but if you don't learn the platform and keep up with a maintenance routine, it might not be the best choice. When someone is new to the hobby and there is no way to know if they will dedicate the time to learn it and keep a regular schedule of maintenance, I simply recommend something else. I wouldn't shoot a 1911 that has been sitting in a drawyer for 2 months without a field strip, but I would trust a glock, HK, m&p etc
Imagine having an upper, gas block, tube, handguard, and everything else, EXCEPT for the damn dust cover. Everything I ordered is either here or will be tomorrow, but Amazon has been slow with the dust cover. Can't do anything until that gets here
what do you mean? the dust cover isn't required to operate the rifle...
I don't get it either...Maintenance routine? You guys are outrageous sometimes.
Just my personal opinion.... But NO gun, glock xd or 1911, should be carried or trusted all gunked up and dirty.
And a 1911 that was cleaned/oiled can be left for years and will fire just fine.
Yes..... If you take all the guns, drag them through dirt/mud/sand, the glock is just about always going to fire. If you're in a situation where your gun is going to get sand/mud/dirt caked into it and then you will have to use it.... Carry a glock.
The only people I know who treat their guns this way are thug gangsters... Shoot them and literally never clean them, toss them in bags etc without holsters, that sort of treatment is not good for any gun... Glock included.
Didn't colt just get a $20,000,000 contract from the marines for a bunch of 1911s?
Indeed. Many non-mil spec rifles omit the dust cover altogether. Isn't it tricky to install the dust cover with a barrel and hand guard installed, though? The nuisance of that might make me wait before building.
I don't get it either...
I own 2 1911s and building a 3rd. I follow no different maintenance routines for them than I do for any of my other pistols. I've never had a problem with either one.
Also curious why 1911 owners need to know what every part in the gun does but Glock owners don't need to know about any parts in their guns?
I guess you've never had to clean a piece of brass out of the firing pin tunnel?
There are failure points on a 1911 that are not easily accessible, especially on lower to mid tier pieces.
I have multiple 1911s. I love them, but they aren't for a beginner without mechanical skills.
I guess you've never had to clean a piece of brass out of the firing pin tunnel?
There are failure points on a 1911 that are not easily accessible, especially on lower to mid tier pieces.
I have multiple 1911s. I love them, but they aren't for a beginner without mechanical skills.
So taking out the firing pin on a 1911 is a mechanical skill? Last I checked it was a 2-3 step process that can be done with a pencil.
And how did a piece of brass end up in the firing pin tunnel anyway? Sounds like you have a short pin or a a ridiculously light firing pin spring.
nope, never had a single problem.
i call bs on a 1911 not being for a beginner or requiring mechanical skills. you must have some shitty 1911s or do some really bad shit to them if you have so many problems.
Yeah that is totally what we said
Fact: a 1911 has more points of failure
Fact: a 1911 has more parts during field strip to clean
Fact: a 1911 has tighter tolerances
Fact: a 1911 generally needs more lube (I clean and lube my 1911 about once a month)
Nobody said they were bad guns, just that for new shooters it is easier to maintain other firearms if someone is unfamiliar with them in general. I have seen many people with a 1911 not understand what the bushing does, what the sear does, where to lube and how much to use, that those discount magazines at the local gun show have cheap springs that wear out and cause feed issues, and they didn't even know how to safety check the thing...how to make sure the thumb and grip safety function correctly.
A 1911 can be a superbly nice shooter but if you don't learn the platform and keep up with a maintenance routine, it might not be the best choice. When someone is new to the hobby and there is no way to know if they will dedicate the time to learn it and keep a regular schedule of maintenance, I simply recommend something else. I wouldn't shoot a 1911 that has been sitting in a drawyer for 2 months without a field strip, but I would trust a glock, HK, m&p etc
I guess you've never had to clean a piece of brass out of the firing pin tunnel?
There are failure points on a 1911 that are not easily accessible, especially on lower to mid tier pieces.
I have multiple 1911s. I love them, but they aren't for a beginner without mechanical skills.
Gen 4? Hell no!
psh my gen 4 has been flawless
What?
Nope, never have on anything I've fired / worked on, and I don't know anyone that has either. That goes for people that have worked on firearms all of their life.
If you have a piece of brass in your firing pin tunnel, something is really, really wrong with your gun, or it's some platform that I'm completely unfamiliar with, because I have never heard of this problem.
The whole Glock vs. 1911 thing is really overblown. I will give the overall reliability edge to Glock, but the whole "you can drag a Glock through mud, then sand, then water, pick it up and it will fire fine" is an outright lie. So is the notion that a speck of dirt inside a 1911 will turn it into a fancy paperweight. Glocks jam. 1911s jam. Bolt-action rifles jam. Pump-action shotguns jam. Hell, even revolvers jam. The truth of the matter is that none of the platforms are 100% reliable. You have to take care of your firearms for them to function properly, and if you're not up for doing that, you have no business using them.
1911s are a little more difficult to field strip, but it's not rocket science. I've had other firearms with a more "Glock-like" take-down that were many times more irritating to take apart than a 1911 for one reason or another. In terms of safety, you should know full well not to even touch the trigger until you're on target and ready to fire long before buying your first gun, so the platform is irrelevant.
Where Glock REALLY has the edge is in price-point; for $400-500, you can get a nice reliable Glock, while the same price range is a crap-shoot for 1911s. You really need to step up into the $700-1000+ territory to get a 1911 that will last a lifetime. You also, IMO, should get something that doesn't fit together so tight that it takes 500 rounds to break it in for reliability. A little rattle in a 1911 is a good thing.
Touchy touchy
Just goofing around. I have a Gen 3 and have never even fired a Gen 4. I know there are reports of some teething problems but I expect they're overblown.