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[QuantumPion]

If you want a good, inexpensive .308, Walmart sells DPMS .308 AR15's for like $850 or something. Or you could get a nice FN-FAL for similar.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Steel-core: Never, as it damages backstops. Most ranges will kick you out for this.

Steel-cased: Depends on the range. Some stipulate brass-cased only for any number of reasons, and will actually open any ammo boxes you bring in to make sure. Others are more flexible. If you're going to a new range I'd call and ask first.

Many won't allow it. The cited reasons range from steel casings causing sparks when hitting the ground, to difficulty sorting the spent steel casings from the other brass casings (complicating recycling), to simply wanting to sell you ammunition from their inventories instead of your own (and since brass cased is more expensive, that's what they want to sell).

Dead on - Steel cased and steel core should be avoided for indoor ranges. Steel core is basically meant to go through more material before it deforms and as such can clear a backstop.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

If you want a good, inexpensive .308, Walmart sells DPMS .308 AR15's for like $850 or something. Or you could get a nice FN-FAL for similar.

you want an AR platform? I have a weatherby in .308 as well as a cetme

 

[pontifex]

Many won't allow it. The cited reasons range from steel casings causing sparks when hitting the ground, to difficulty sorting the spent steel casings from the other brass casings (complicating recycling), to simply wanting to sell you ammunition from their inventories instead of your own (and since brass cased is more expensive, that's what they want to sell).

there's a difference between steel cased and steel cored and steel jacketed.
the casings don't cause the sparks, the steel core or the steel jacket of the bullets do.
the core is in the bullet, the jacket is the outer part of the bullet, the bullet sits in the case.

 

[gorcorps]

If you want a good, inexpensive .308, Walmart sells DPMS .308 AR15's for like $850 or something. Or you could get a nice FN-FAL for similar.

Not possible. It may be an AR10 which is basically an AR15 platform for large rounds, but an AR15 can NOT physically fit magazines that large. External accessories should be the same (like grips, stocks, sights, etc) but it's important to note the difference.

 

[RampantAndroid]

there's a difference between steel cased and steel cored.
the casings don't cause the sparks, the steel core of the bullets do.
the cor is in the bullet, the bullet sits in the case.

They both can cause sparks.

 

[gorcorps]

Yep. Like all things, buying in bulk is better. Here's some steel cased for 39 cents / round and brass case for 67 cents /round.
http://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/308-ammo?dir=asc&order=cost_per_round

Yeah, prices like that make me wish I didn't go the 30-06 route

 

[pontifex]

They both can cause sparks.

i'm sure you can make a steel casing cause a spark, but not from just being ejected from the gun. i've never heard of or seen anything like that.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Yeah, prices like that make me wish I didn't go the 30-06 route

Well, don't ever go and buy a scope with a elevation turret meant for 168 grain .308. Go look up those costs...

 

[velillen]

They both can cause sparks.

All i know is Bulleyes in tacoma allows steel cased ammo and doesnt seem to be a problem. I know people shoot it there (i have on occasion) as i end up picking up a handful of it when im collecting brass for reloading. Not sure why they would allow it (since honestly its not a very good range cleanliness wise lol) if there was that big of a risk

 

[glenn1]

They both can cause sparks.

i'm sure you can make a steel casing cause a spark, but not from just being ejected from the gun. i've never heard of or seen anything like that.

I just said that's one of the reasons some range operators give for refusing steel cased ammunition, not that I agree with it. I personally don't find the savings enough to make it worthwhile as neither Tulammo or Wolf has the best reputation, and the .22LR and 9MM rounds I use aren't super expensive anyway.

 

[QuantumPion]

Not possible. It may be an AR10 which is basically an AR15 platform for large rounds, but an AR15 can NOT physically fit magazines that large. External accessories should be the same (like grips, stocks, sights, etc) but it's important to note the difference.

Actually no. The original AR-10 was a completely different rifle. The modern "AR-10" is a trademark/brand name of Armalite's (aka Eagle Arms) .308 AR (like how XM-15 is Bushmaster's AR-15). AR-15's are not limited to 5.56 lowers and uppers. AR-15's can be 9mm, 6.8mm, 7.62x39, or even .308. The size of the magazine well is not what makes an AR-15 an AR-15.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

They both can cause sparks.

Wait what? I'm confused on what exactly you are saying...

Are you saying the brass (in this case steel) cases cause sparks? What gun do you own makes sparks out of the case? Better say goodbye to reloading if that's the case .

Most ranges don't let steel CASED rounds onto their range because they can't sell the steel like they can the brass. More moolah for them.

Now bi-metal jacketed bullets can cause sparks since some steel is mixed into what makes up the jacket. I've actually seen sparks from my brass round, lead core, fmj bimetal jacket at an indoor range. Pretty cool to see but a little scary as well since it brings to light that you are shooting metal projectiles at 2k+fps down a concrete corridor that is at the most 25yds in length (here at least).

 

[velillen]

Well i went to the outdoor store yesterday to pick up a couple things....left with a new gun >.<


Sig 522 Classic (22lr). Came with the iron sights (normally 70 bucks or so for official sig ones), plus the optional rail kit (20 bucks) all for $450. Now to just get it out to the range in a couple days.

 

[boomhower]

Most ranges don't let steel CASED rounds onto their range because they can't sell the steel like they can the brass. More moolah for them.

This is it. Most ranges that don't allow steel cased ammo also typically either require you use their ammo or charge more if you use your own.

Also note many ranges don't allow steel tipped ammo. Big difference between steel tipped and cased. The tipped ammo damages the bullet traps.

 

[velillen]

This is it. Most ranges that don't allow steel cased ammo also typically either require you use their ammo or charge more if you use your own.
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Never been to one (granted ive only been to probably 5 or 6 different ranges) that made you use their ammo (except in rentals) or charged for using your own. Those that care about steel cased/tipped/cored make you show them your ammo and thats the extent of it. Seems kind of silly yo charge to use your own ammo

 

[ManBearPig]

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[RampantAndroid]

Never been to one (granted ive only been to probably 5 or 6 different ranges) that made you use their ammo (except in rentals) or charged for using your own. Those that care about steel cased/tipped/cored make you show them your ammo and thats the extent of it. Seems kind of silly yo charge to use your own ammo

Ever been to the range in Kenmore, WA? They allow one round in the gun at a time. Who knows, maybe they charge to use your own ammo, too...

 

[irishScott]

Ever been to the range in Kenmore, WA? They allow one round in the gun at a time. Who knows, maybe they charge to use your own ammo, too...

WTF? Are they a muzzle-loading only range or something?

 

[velillen]

Ever been to the range in Kenmore, WA? They allow one round in the gun at a time. Who knows, maybe they charge to use your own ammo, too...

never been to that one...and honestly never would if its truly one round at a time Only been to thee here in Washington (rest were in Montana). Bulleye sin Tacoma, Wades, and the Kitsap R&R (when it was open). Wades by far being the best, just to far out there. Though I am curious as to how well Federal Way Discount Gun's new range will be. When i bought my gun they were saying it would have the AR/Rifle section and be rated up to 50BMG so could be a fun alternative to Wades for me (ie closer). Only another 2-3 weeks till it opens if i remember right.

Congrats on the rifle, it looks awesome. Are there a lot of rifle ranges around you? Seems like most here are pistol only or rifle with short distances.

Well mind you its a 22lr so pretty much any range will let you shoot it. Its just a fun plinker. As for ranges, theres only really two i can think of indoor ranges that allow rifles (one supposedly up to 50bmg, not sure on the other). Outdoor range wise there had been on by me but it got closed down due to "noise" complaints pretty much. But there are areas within an hour or so to just go up on forest service/logging roads and be able to shoot.

 

[RampantAndroid]

No, they're no muzzle loading range. They're just range 'nazis' I avoid the place, but I live near Wades. On an aside, Wades is adding some traps shortly, then beginning work on a second floor with a longer rifle range. Can't wait

 

[ManBearPig]

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[QuantumPion]

WTF? Are they a muzzle-loading only range or something?

A lot of public ranges are like that. They cater to fudds that just want to sight in their deer rifle for the season.

 

[Merad]

I saw the Ruger MK III Hunter and I think I'm in love. Anyone shot this gun?

Have a 22/45 MkIII Hunter

 

[gorcorps]

I saw the Ruger MK III Hunter and I think I'm in love. Anyone shot this gun?

It's a nice 22. Between that and the Browning buckmarks you encompass the vast majority of the 22 user base. Both are nice, accurate guns.