YAGT: OMG I love guns

[RampantAndroid]

its 100% fixable

the shield trigger is not that nice either

but Im LOL'ing at poo poo-ing a feature on a 500 buck gun, as you compare it to a what....1000-1500 dollar gun?

c'mon man.

that being said, my glock 17 trigger is decent, but it has the 10 buck trigger job, because well, I don't want to drop 1-300 on a trigger in my glock I paid 400 bucks for...

the tigger on the EAA witness p I bought my dad is actually nicer

Even the RIA 1911s have better triggers. It's manageable, not fixable. I redid my Glock trigger...and while it helped some, it was still less than ideal.

 

[Zargon]

Even the RIA 1911s have better triggers. It's manageable, not fixable. I redid my Glock trigger...and while it helped some, it was still less than ideal.

I am not sure we can agree on this

I've shot high end colt's, dan wessons, les baer's

I still really like my glock, and don't mind the trigger

 

[Kelvrick]

but the glock weighs less


which is pretty important

This is only my opinion, but in that form factor, the weight difference is negligible. The size difference is a bigger factor as well as the difference in capacity.

Carry wise, with a good holster system, I find the weight difference between a kahr p9 and glock 19 to be negligible. The size difference isn't, but then they're totally different categories.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I am not sure we can agree on this

I've shot high end colt's, dan wessons, les baer's

I still really like my glock, and don't mind the trigger

As long as you like it

I've been spoiled by my revolver triggers in SA. The best description is "like breaking a glass rod" with virtually no travel.

 

[FallenHero]

Finally got my optic on

Actually gonna change the foregrip to an AFG from Magpul in the next couple weeks, but other then that I am done with this one...for now.

 

[clamum]

Finally got my optic on

Actually gonna change the foregrip to an AFG from Magpul in the next couple weeks, but other then that I am done with this one...for now.

Very nice. Maybe one day I'll save up enough to get an ACOG. :thumbsup:

 

[Zargon]

This is only my opinion, but in that form factor, the weight difference is negligible. The size difference is a bigger factor as well as the difference in capacity.

Carry wise, with a good holster system, I find the weight difference between a kahr p9 and glock 19 to be negligible. The size difference isn't, but then they're totally different categories.

the weight difference between my CM9 and my glock 27 insane

I cant imagine the P7 and 19 are much closer?

 

[FallenHero]

Very nice. Maybe one day I'll save up enough to get an ACOG.

Getting a hefty discount and winning a couple grand on the superbowl sped up that purchase. Still took 6 weeks from order to delivery. Well worth it though as the quality is outstanding. I sight it in on Wednesday.

 

[Kelvrick]

the weight difference between my CM9 and my glock 27 insane

I cant imagine the P7 and 19 are much closer?

Well, the g27 and g26 should be similar, but your cm9 is lighter than my p9. I think I have an extra half inch of height and length.

What holster/belt do you use? When i'm going IWB at ~3 oclock with my whitehat (hybrid kydex shell/leather body side), the weight isn't that big of a deal, but the extra width is huge. When i'm going appendix at ~12:30 with my incog, then the best way to describe it is that a g19 feels more concealed, comfortable, and lighter than my p9 at ~3. My P9 at appendix disappears as well (unless I'm trying to tie my shoes or something).

It could also be my body though. I'm 5'10 155lb.

Per websites:
Glock 19 gen 4: 23.65oz empty (not sure if mag is included) 30.18 oz loaded (-2.5oz for me since i'm in commifornia and only have 10 round mags)
Glock 26 gen 4: 21.71oz empty (not sure if mag is included) 26.12oz loaded
Glock 27 gen 4: 21.89oz empty (not sure if mag is included) 27oz loaded
Kahr P9: 15oz + 1.9oz mag = 16.9oz + 4oz (7+1 9mm at ~.5oz each) = 20.9
Kahr cm9: 14oz + 1.9oz mag = 15.9oz + 3.5oz (6+1 9mm at ~.5oz each) = 19.4

So, weight diff between a loaded g19 and a p9 is roughly 10oz in you guys in the free states and under 7oz total for me in California. Difference between a glock 27 and a cm9 is 7.5 oz.

I can certainly feel the weight difference in my hand when holding, but when it is holstered, the weight makes almost no difference. It is really only the size when it pokes me.

EDIT: Any bigger/heavier than the g19 though, then I start feeling it. A loaded springfield emp is about my weight limit (website says 27oz with empty mag) for IWB. OWB open carry, I'm happy until we start talking metal framed full-sized weapons. 1911's weigh me down, but I'm pretty happy with my glock 20.

 

[Zargon]

I can feel that half pound easy

I have a crossbreed xt for the glock, and a white hat for the CM9

I need to warm up the white hat....its not that broken in yet


and I need better belts....

 

[phucheneh]

Even when you're talking about heavier guns, a half a pound is a LOT.

A CZ P01 (alloy-framed compact version of a CZ-75) is 'only' a half pound lighter than some steel 1911's.

 

[Merad]

G43 size compared to other pistols:

 

[Fenixgoon]

my AR build works nicely

now to get it sighted in at an outdoor range!

 

[clamum]

Getting a hefty discount and winning a couple grand on the superbowl sped up that purchase. Still took 6 weeks from order to delivery. Well worth it though as the quality is outstanding. I sight it in on Wednesday.

Oh man, nice! I recently won at bingo with my mom but I've been saving my bingo winnings since all of last year so I was able to put it in my savings. Got the bingo money tucked away for a Tavor.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll like the ACOG. I personally haven't used one but everything I've read and seen says "kickass piece of hardware and worth the money."

 

[irishScott]

G43 size compared to other pistols:

So basically the differences in size are negligible, is what I got from that.

Not knocking the G43, I'm sure it'll be a solid single-stack sub-compact 9mm, but they're kinda late to the party and for non-Glock guys such as myself it's about as underwhelming as any Glock.

Glock is kinda running out of gas at this point IMO. They're the Toyota Camry of pistols, only a few years later than the competition. The last time they truly innovated was the 1980s.

 

[Merad]

Glock is kinda running out of gas at this point IMO. They're the Toyota Camry of pistols, only a few years later than the competition. The last time they truly innovated was the 1980s.

Have their really been any major innovations in the handgun space since the G17? I mean, they've made smaller pocket pistols, they've thrown polymers into revolvers, etc, but I can't think of anything I'd call innovative.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Glock is kinda running out of gas at this point IMO. They're the Toyota Camry of pistols, only a few years later than the competition. The last time they truly innovated was the 1980s.

Respectfully this seems like a pretty silly observation. The Glock is the biggest innovation in handgun design since the 1911, and it has made Gaston Glock a billionaire. Their market share remains huge in both LEO/military applications and among civilian buyers. I don't know what "innovations" they could realistically have implemented that would have improved the enviable state of their business. From a strictly functional standpoint there is, in my view, nothing better than a Glock. If I ever had to fight for my life with a handgun (which will hopefully never happen!) I'd rather have a Glock 21 than anything else.

 

[clamum]

Respectfully this seems like a pretty silly observation. The Glock is the biggest innovation in handful design since the 1911, and it has made Gaston Glock a billionaire. Their market share remains huge in both LEO/military applications and among civilian buyers. I don't know what "innovations" they could realistically have implemented that would have improved the enviable state of their business. From a strictly functional standpoint there is, in my view, nothing better than a Glock. If I ever had to fight for my life with a handgun (which will hopefully never happen!) I'd rather have a Glock 21 than anything else.

Yeah I agree. I guess they haven't really "innovated" since the introduction of the Glock 17, besides slight improvements each generation. But it don't really matter, if you ask me, if it ain't broke don't fix it. I'm not sure they really need to come out with some amazing new pistol; they already have huge market share in LEO/military like Don Vito said and when the average guy thinks Glock, they think quality and dependability (for a relatively low cost too). Seems like they're doing something right.

 

[boomhower]

Have their really been any major innovations in the handgun space since the G17? I mean, they've made smaller pocket pistols, they've thrown polymers into revolvers, etc, but I can't think of anything I'd call innovative.

The biggest thing Glock has going for it is it's reliability. They've put that reputation at risk lately. The Gen4 9mm's haven't lived up to the reputation. That makes me question this one, I'll be sitting out until it's proven. I trust my life to a Glock 22 everyday and it's never failed, not a single malfunction. But their newer 9mms are another story.

 

[Merad]

The biggest thing Glock has going for it is it's reliability. They've put that reputation at risk lately. The Gen4 9mm's haven't lived up to the reputation. That makes me question this one, I'll be sitting out until it's proven. I trust my life to a Glock 22 everyday and it's never failed, not a single malfunction. But their newer 9mms are another story.

If your only complaint is some teething issues that were resolved over 3 years ago, that's a pretty good sign. I dunno how many thousands of rounds have been through my 19 and 26 (both Gen 4) with nary a hiccup.

Anyway, I was talking about pistols in general. I'm kind of thinking that the combat pistol firing a chemically propelled round is probably near the peak of its game.

 

[Kelvrick]

I can feel that half pound easy

I have a crossbreed xt for the glock, and a white hat for the CM9

I need to warm up the white hat....its not that broken in yet


and I need better belts....

Yes, belts is huge in my opinion in distributing weight and making things more comfortable. I think we can go back and forth between what is comfortable for who and how large/heavy what someone is comfortable with. Its too bad it is so hard and expensive to try out different kinds of holsters. I must say the first day I put on the incog was like the first time I discovered I had a fried egg in a burger. My whitehat hasn't been used since.

Everyone just has to find what works for them, and train so it works if they ever need to draw.

 

[JackBurton]

If your only complaint is some teething issues that were resolved over 3 years ago, that's a pretty good sign. I dunno how many thousands of rounds have been through my 19 and 26 (both Gen 4) with nary a hiccup.

Yep. My Gen 4 Glock 17 & 26 have run flawlessly since I bought them (at least a couple of thousand rounds). I'm only interested in 9mm Glocks though.

 

[Kelvrick]

So basically the differences in size are negligible, is what I got from that.

Not knocking the G43, I'm sure it'll be a solid single-stack sub-compact 9mm, but they're kinda late to the party and for non-Glock guys such as myself it's about as underwhelming as any Glock.

Glock is kinda running out of gas at this point IMO. They're the Toyota Camry of pistols, only a few years later than the competition. The last time they truly innovated was the 1980s.

What I got from that is it is taller than a shield with less rounds. Good if you really lke the 26, but want to lose that 1/10 of an inch. That, or you want to stay in the glock family, which I understand. I'm a little OCD, so when I switch systems, I switch completely so my training works well across my carry guns (limited to three here in Sacramento).

 

[Zargon]

What I got from that is it is taller than a shield with less rounds. Good if you really lke the 26, but want to lose that 1/10 of an inch. That, or you want to stay in the glock family, which I understand. I'm a little OCD, so when I switch systems, I switch completely so my training works well across my carry guns (limited to three here in Sacramento).

looks like its shorter than the shield, but slightly longer(maybe you meant longer?, with a 'much longer' barrel and slightly less weight(negligible)

If your only complaint is some teething issues that were resolved over 3 years ago, that's a pretty good sign. I dunno how many thousands of rounds have been through my 19 and 26 (both Gen 4) with nary a hiccup.

Anyway, I was talking about pistols in general. I'm kind of thinking that the combat pistol firing a chemically propelled round is probably near the peak of its game.

this, I had a 1000 rounds through my gen 4 19 with no issues, when I dealt it to a buddy to get my gen 1 17 back from him

Yes, belts is huge in my opinion in distributing weight and making things more comfortable. I think we can go back and forth between what is comfortable for who and how large/heavy what someone is comfortable with. Its too bad it is so hard and expensive to try out different kinds of holsters. I must say the first day I put on the incog was like the first time I discovered I had a fried egg in a burger. My whitehat hasn't been used since.

Everyone just has to find what works for them, and train so it works if they ever need to draw.

incog...that the g-code?

I have a Bravo Concealment DOS, that is OK, I tried to carry it at about 1:30 on Saturday and it was really digging into my inner thigh where the clip mounts to the holster

IMO without the wider mount the grip hangs off me a bit weird and prints more, with that style of holster at 3-4 o clock



I'm picking up a kydex mold setup soon from a buddy, but mostly to start with mags and maybe a knife shealth.

I wouldn't mind messing with gun holsters later, though

 

[Kelvrick]

looks like its shorter than the shield, but slightly longer(maybe you meant longer?, with a 'much longer' barrel and slightly less weight(negligible)

incog...that the g-code?

I have a Bravo Concealment DOS, that is OK, I tried to carry it at about 1:30 on Saturday and it was really digging into my inner thigh where the clip mounts to the holster

IMO without the wider mount the grip hangs off me a bit weird and prints more, with that style of holster at 3-4 o clock



I'm picking up a kydex mold setup soon from a buddy, but mostly to start with mags and maybe a knife shealth.

I wouldn't mind messing with gun holsters later, though

You're right. I was getting the shield and glock 43 confused. I'll stand by my comment of about similar size and less rounds.

Yes, I'm talking about the g-code incog (haley).
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/INCOG.html

I couldn't find many angled detail shots of the DOS, but which clips are you using? I'm wondering if their plastic belt loops are angled like the incog's. Try wearing it more centered (and endanger your junk). I don't find it digs into my legs much and when I sit, I kind of push up on it with my leg and it just pushes the whole rig/belt/pants up my waist a bit and then I'm sitting comfortably.

Here is the best side/side comparison I could find in my 30 seconds of googling. It seems to me the clips on the incog have a more pronounced bend to push the grip into your body a little more and prevent printing while angling the muzzle end away from the body/leg.
http://www.glockforum.com/forum/f30/new-holster-30s-34820/