If you are in one of those areas would something like an FN Five Seven make a difference against armored attackers vs more common handguns?
Actually in many areas of the country the perps likely to use a gun are wearing body armor.
I actually know two guys that will wear a vest in dangerous areas. Part of our job is doing the things that need to be done after hours. Quite a few of those places have actually made the news with extended fire fights between the gang bangers patroling those areas.
If you are in one of those areas would something like an FN Five Seven make a difference against armored attackers vs more common handguns?
Here we go...on the news I'm watching them talk about ZOMG how easy it is to get guns and especially "assault rifles."
Anytime you see the term assault rifle, it means the reporter is an idiot, or a propagandist.
If you are in one of those areas would something like an FN Five Seven make a difference against armored attackers vs more common handguns?
IIRC, that platform was designed to be used against light body armor, especially when coupled with the right ammo. Which is surprising when you look at just how light the rounds are, but evidently there is much more to penetration than grains.
Maybe they use a special hi-viscosity lube on the bullets. :awe:
And I think it should be pointed out that this theater does not allow firearms on its premises, so any law abiding CCW holder would have left their firearm at home. And lets face, the CCW holders are law abiding citizens, at least at a much higher rate than your average citizen. They simply have more to lose and face higher penalties.
I dont know which kind of body armor he had (which class) but i know my friend got shot in his stomach area in Iraq and it did some nasty damage even though it didnt penetrate the plate/vest. Had a huge bruise on his skin, a broken rib, and i want to say bruised liver or some weird thing like that. Not sure what he got shot with but i know it took him out of the fight for the most part.
As for the assualt rifle crap by the media....come on seriously a .45 1911 or even a 9mm glock could have and would have done the same amount of damage (minus possibly penetrating the walls) when you are firing into a unarmed, pretty much open crowd. Only thing is he would have had to reload more often. Even a 380 would have been devastating.
I just hate how when a tragity like this occurs it seems to just bring out every anti-gun person who starts screaming about how easy it is and blah blah blah. Honestly come on it isnt hard to get a black market gun and do the exact same thing.
ar-15 - assuming 5.56, has fairly low penetration due to fragmentation from what i've heard from firearms experts. Less so than 9mm.
difference between a sign posted by the company and a law...
the only thing they can be charged with is trespassing, as far as I know.
I can post a sign on my door that says no guns, but it doesn't hold any legal weight.
5.56mm has good penetration against armor because of it's speed. It might not always penetrate deeply into ballistic gelatin because the bullet comes apart or expands. It will go through any soft body armor.
Applied for my LTCH! I probably won't even carry (maybe occasionally), but I can if the need arises.
I'll admit I haven't followed the thread closely, just popped in here and there since this seems to the the unofficial gun thread on ATOT, but you don't even have a firearm yet, right? And haven't had any more experience since your initial trip to the range?
Please tell me that you plan on taking a few training courses before carrying. It will make things a lot safer for everyone, including you.
I love guns and believe people should be able to buy what they want, but I've had the mishap of paying attention to the safety habits of those around me at the range. Of course, even those who have trained and practice can have an accident. It is why I wear a vest when I go to the range, courses and competitions now.
:thumbsup: Good jobApplied for my LTCH! I probably won't even carry (maybe occasionally), but I can if the need arises.
I did have a question though....first time using iron sights on the Sig 522. Should basically the top of the front post be where I am? That's how my brother and I aimed and it was always probably 2 inches low at. Rear sight is sitting directly in the middle of its adjustment range. Didn't want to mess around to much with it but once we started aimming at the middle of the front post everything was good and we were getting some impressive groups.
Got to shoot a full auto mp5 yesterday at the range. Was pretty fun though I'd never want to own one. 150 rounds was gone in no time!
I did have a question though....first time using iron sights on the Sig 522. Should basically the top of the front post be where I am? That's how my brother and I aimed and it was always probably 2 inches low at. Rear sight is sitting directly in the middle of its adjustment range. Didn't want to mess around to much with it but once we started aimming at the middle of the front post everything was good and we were getting some impressive groups.
Also...any got a recommendation on a cheaperish scope? Don't need anything fancy but something for like 50 to 100 yards would be great.
I thought 5.56 was considered a "less-lethal" round, per NATO.
I thought it had great penetration, but didn't tumble as much as the 7.62, which is why its less lethal.