yet another stupid lawsuit

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Take responsibility for raising your own children.

That is all.

Easier said than done. Ever lived with a depressed person before? As your reply certain shows so. Depression and other mental illnessses most of the time, have nothing to do with "up bringing".

I have in fact lived with depressed people. But it isn't society's business, it seems more personal to me. Sueing Wal-Mart because they, by law, couldn't have the information and she lied on the forms. That seems somewhat not Wallyworld's problem to me.

I agree, this isnt Wallmart's problem at all. This would set a bad precedent if she wins.

I jumped onto that post as i'm sick of the "take care of your children and they'll turn out ok" attitude.

If you seriously think that "Take responsibility for raising your own children" will prevent this, maybe you need your own head checking.

If raising your child properly won't prevent this, what will? Locking her up?

the mental illness itself doesn't seem to be a product of her upbringing, its just a genetic thing that was unfortunately passed along, but i still feel the parents are liable for supervising her while in her unstable state
edit: its the kids that do this without a mental illness that would be the parents lack of proper upbringing

Exactly. Most people's perception of mental illness is "it roots back to something at home".
It doesn?t necessarily

sooo walmart is to blame???

:roll:

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: wischeez

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Zebo

It's a common practice to sue the merchant. If walmart is to lose the lawsuit, which is quite likely if they don't settle that is, they'll just take Federal Background to court in turn.

No walmart will be forced to stop selling guns if they loose or settle. Because the cases will come like an avalanche afterwards due to precedence ..

It's all designed as private tyranny by anti-gunners to get guns from the citizens dispite numerous supreme court rulings saying we can have them. Look at it this way if no merchant can sell them due to legal ramifications don't we have a defacto case where your second amendment rights no longer exist? You can't buy them cause no ones selling and you can't make them without a very expensive manufactures BATF licence That's thier goal.

I can see where you're coming from, but it's gun sellers responsibility to keep guns out of hands of mentally incapable people.

Only if State law allows you to KNOW they are mentally incapable. How are you going to find out otherwise? Give them on-site tests?

Well, then the state law is wrong. Also, I have no problem with on-site test. In my opinion if you have any kind of criminal or medical (psych related) record you shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Zebo

It's a common practice to sue the merchant. If walmart is to lose the lawsuit, which is quite likely if they don't settle that is, they'll just take Federal Background to court in turn.

No walmart will be forced to stop selling guns if they loose or settle. Because the cases will come like an avalanche afterwards due to precedence ..

It's all designed as private tyranny by anti-gunners to get guns from the citizens dispite numerous supreme court rulings saying we can have them. Look at it this way if no merchant can sell them due to legal ramifications don't we have a defacto case where your second amendment rights no longer exist? You can't buy them cause no ones selling and you can't make them without a very expensive manufactures BATF licence That's thier goal.

I can see where you're coming from, but it's gun sellers responsibility to keep guns out of hands of mentally incapable people.

What for? and who decides that? It does'nt say only he mentally fit should have right to them, it says anyone. What ever happend to the american disabilites act, equal protection and rights for them too? Your logic is exactly how the racists have kept guns away from blacks for years:
http://www.njmilitia.org/racist-roots.html

But I'm opposed to all gun control and registration and take a very literal interpration of our bill of rights... Latly, the supreme court and even consevatives don't.

 

[wischeez]

Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Zebo

It's a common practice to sue the merchant. If walmart is to lose the lawsuit, which is quite likely if they don't settle that is, they'll just take Federal Background to court in turn.

No walmart will be forced to stop selling guns if they loose or settle. Because the cases will come like an avalanche afterwards due to precedence ..

It's all designed as private tyranny by anti-gunners to get guns from the citizens dispite numerous supreme court rulings saying we can have them. Look at it this way if no merchant can sell them due to legal ramifications don't we have a defacto case where your second amendment rights no longer exist? You can't buy them cause no ones selling and you can't make them without a very expensive manufactures BATF licence That's thier goal.

I can see where you're coming from, but it's gun sellers responsibility to keep guns out of hands of mentally incapable people.

What for? and who decides that? It does'nt say only he mentally fit should have right to them, it says anyone. What ever happend to the american disabilites act, equal protection and rights for them too? Your logic is exactly how the racists have kept guns away from blacks for years:
http://www.njmilitia.org/racist-roots.html

But I'm opposed to all gun control and registration and take a very literal interpration of our bill of rights... Latly, the supreme court and even consevatives don't.

You can't seriously believe that mentally ill people can posses firearms. According to your logic blind people should be able to get a drivers license (they cannot). The rights of owning a firearm includes responsibility of knowing how to use it and more importantly "how not to shoot innocent people with it". Your statement is so ridiculous I don't even know how to respond to that.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: wischeez
Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

Point taken, but while I do not approve her actions - who else can she sue? She can't sue the state and she probably can't sue the agency who ran the test since she never dealt with them directly. Now she could lose lawsuit based on unavailability of medical records, however, hopefully that would cause the law to change.

 

[wischeez]

"According to your logic blind people should be able to get a drivers license"


I think some people around where I live are blind and driving

 

[wischeez]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: wischeez
Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

Point taken, but while I do not approve her actions - who else can she sue? She can't sue the state and she probably can't sue the agency who ran the test since she never dealt with them directly.

Then you don't get sue-happy. Got to the state and get the laws changed. Supposedly that's what your Representatives are there for.

Sueing and winning won't change the fact that it can happen again unless the laws are changed.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: venk
Stupid on the part of the local government. What the hell is the point of the Brady Bill if you CAN'T CHECK MENTAL HEALTH RECORDS!

you would think the point of the brady bill would be to stop situations like what happened to brady, but, in fact, the brady bill would not have prevented such a situation

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Zebo
What for? and who decides that? It does'nt say only he mentally fit should have right to them, it says anyone. What ever happend to the american disabilites act, equal protection and rights for them too? Your logic is exactly how the racists have kept guns away from blacks for years:
http://www.njmilitia.org/racist-roots.html

But I'm opposed to all gun control and registration and take a very literal interpration of our bill of rights... Latly, the supreme court and even consevatives don't.

You can't seriously believe that mentally ill people can posses firearms. According to your logic blind people should be able to get a drivers license (they cannot). The rights of owning a firearm includes responsibility of knowing how to use it and more importantly "how not to shoot innocent people with it". Your statement is so ridiculous I don't even know how to respond to that.

Indeed, his argument IS a little bizarre.

I mean, you can proclaim "rights" from the rooftop, but the simple fact of the matter is, no matter how badly you want it, not everyone HAS the same rights.

Infants not not have the same rights I have because they are unable to understand them

Criminals do not have the same freedoms I have because they have forfeighted them by their actions

Mentaly ill people do not have the same freedomes I have because they do not have the capability to use them responsibly

et al.

You can't carte blanche say "everyone should have the same right or none should" - that doesn't even BEGIN to make sense.

 

[Zebo]

Argo, since when is driving a right granted by the consititution? What you say to limiting a mentally ill persons free speech? Can search thier house w/o a warrant? etc? It's only because it's a gun you now feel the need to resitrict thier rights granted by our founders? I can understand it but it seems hypocrital.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Argo, since when is driving a right granted by the consititution? What you say to limiting a mentally ill persons free speech? Can search thier house w/o a warrant? etc? It's only because it's a gun you now feel the need to resitrict thier rights granted by our founders? I can understand it but it seems hypocrital.

Well, sometimes we should let common sense and logic dictate our actions.

 

[Bateluer]

"Her mother, Lavern Bracy, is suing the world's biggest store chain for $25 million, saying clerks should have known about her daughter's illness or done more to find out."

So . . . he wants Mega corporations to knew intimate details about the lives of their customers? Fricking idiots.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: wischeez
Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

Point taken, but while I do not approve her actions - who else can she sue?

Why does she have to sue anyone?

 

[tami]

SUE THE GUN!

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: wischeez
Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

Point taken, but while I do not approve her actions - who else can she sue?

Why does she have to sue anyone?

Her mentally insane daught got her hands on a deadly firearm. Somehow that appears to me to be a bad thing.

 

[2HededMonster]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: wischeez
Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

Point taken, but while I do not approve her actions - who else can she sue?

Why does she have to sue anyone?

Her mentally insane daught got her hands on a deadly firearm. Somehow that appears to me to be a bad thing.

Of course it's a bad thing but where is the responsibility of the fvcking parents for keeping track of their mentally ill daughter. Wal-Mart is not their daughters keeper and did their job by doing the FBI background check and the pharmacy records are not accessible.

I'm going to generalize here and say that the problem is that the country is sue happy. Nobody takes responsibility for their own actions and are always quick to jump to the conclusion that someone else is responsible...ergo they sue. Idiots :|

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: wischeez
Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

Point taken, but while I do not approve her actions - who else can she sue?

Why does she have to sue anyone?

Her mentally insane daught got her hands on a deadly firearm. Somehow that appears to me to be a bad thing.

so its walmart's fault for selling her the shotgun?? even though they did all the necessary background check?? whats next? suing the road that let the girl go to the walmart? or even maybe the car she drives?

 

[2HededMonster]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: wischeez
Argo, I agree you shouldn't possess firearms if you have a criminal record or are mentally incapable, But what they are saying is, if she purchased it at Wal-Mart, it must be their fault. That is totally wrong. The State of Texas made the records inaccessable to them with their laws. Sue the State, not Wally World. Change the state laws and the problem would be solved. Records of Mental illness would be in the FBI files then, unlike they are now.

Point taken, but while I do not approve her actions - who else can she sue?

Why does she have to sue anyone?

Her mentally insane daught got her hands on a deadly firearm. Somehow that appears to me to be a bad thing.

so its walmart's fault for selling her the shotgun?? even though they did all the necessary background check?? whats next? suing the road that let the girl go to the walmart? or even maybe the car she drives?

ooooohhh....I know, sue the maker of the shell she used, or the builder of the parking lot she parked in allowing her to utilize wal-mart.

Maybe the county should sue the parents for the time/money they had to spend doing paperwork, coroner reports, and police investigative work.

It's tragic, it's preventable by the family, now use that knowledge to move on and help someone else to not let it happen.

 

[z0mb13]

I hope the county sues the mom for letting her get a gun in the first place

 

[moshquerade]

i hope she loses

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: moomoo40moo
So stupid. I HOPE she doesn't win, definitely should have been keeping a closer eye on the girl. What if someone went out and bought a knife at any store, and then killed themselves with it. OMGWTFBBQ!!! Lets sue the store that sold the knife. Same thing, she should be counter-sued for being generally stupid.

And if girl took knife from her mother's kitchen drawer, should the mother sue herself for her own stupidity?