You can't have my guns.

[StinkyPinky]

You cherry pick a few countries with less crime. While ignoring 107 countries with more crime. Ireland's makeup and culture is not like the US. African-Americans commit the most homicides in the US, and you don't list a single African country. None of the countries you listed have a high Latino population either.

All 107 countries with more crime than the US have fewer guns than the US.

Homicide rate per 100,000 people:
1. Honduras 91.6
2. El Salvador 69.2
3. Côte d'Ivoire 56.9
4. Jamaica 52.2
5. Venezuela 45.1
6. Belize 41.4
7. U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2
8. Guatemala 38.5
9. Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
10. Zambia 38.0
11. Uganda 36.3
12. Malawi 36.0
13. Lesotho 35.2
14. Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
15. Colombia 33.4
16. South Africa 31.8
17. Congo 30.8
18. Central African Republic 29.3
19. Bahamas 27.4
20. Puerto Rico 26.2
21. Saint Lucia 25.2
22. Dominican Republic 25.0
23. Tanzania 24.5
24. Sudan 24.2
25. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
26. Ethiopia 22.5
27. Guinea 22.5
28. Dominica 22.1
29. Burundi 21.7
30. Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
31. Panama 21.6
32. Brazil 21.0
33. Equatorial Guinea 20.7
34. Guinea-Bissau 20.2
35. Kenya 20.1
36. Kyrgyzstan 20.1
37. Cameroon 19.7
38. Montserrat 19.7
39. Greenland 19.2
40. Angola 19.0
41. Guyana 18.6
42. Burkina Faso 18.0
43. Eritrea 17.8
44. Namibia 17.2
45. Rwanda 17.1
46. Mexico 16.9
47. Chad 15.8
48. Ghana 15.7
49. Ecuador 15.2
50. North Korea 15.2
51. Benin 15.1
52. Sierra Leone 14.9
53. Mauritania 14.7
54. Botswana 14.5
55. Zimbabwe 14.3
56. Gabon 13.8
57. Nicaragua 13.6
58. French Guiana 13.3
59. Papua New Guinea 13.0
60. Swaziland 12.9
61. Bermuda 12.3
62. Comoros 12.2
63. Nigeria 12.2
64. Cape Verde 11.6
65. Grenada 11.5
66. Paraguay 11.5
67. Barbados 11.3
68. Togo 10.9
69. Gambia 10.8
70. Peru 10.3
71. Myanmar 10.2
72. Russia 10.2
73. Liberia 10.1
74. Costa Rica 10.0
75. Nauru 9.8
76. Bolivia 8.9
77. Mozambique 8.8
78. Kazakhstan 8.8
79. Senegal 8.7
80. Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
81. Mongolia 8.7
82. British Virgin Islands 8.6
83. Cayman Islands 8.4
84. Seychelles 8.3
85. Madagascar 8.1
86. Indonesia 8.1
87. Mali 8.0
88. Pakistan 7.8
89. Moldova 7.5
90. Kiribati 7.3
91. Guadeloupe 7.0
92. Haiti 6.9
93. Timor-Leste 6.9
94. Anguilla 6.8
95. Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
96. Lithuania 6.6
97. Uruguay 5.9
98. Philippines 5.4
99. Ukraine 5.2
100. Estonia 5.2
101. Cuba 5.0
102. Belarus 4.9
103. Thailand 4.8
104. Suriname 4.6
105. Laos 4.6
106. Georgia 4.3
107. Martinique 4.2
108. United States 4.2

No i didn't cherry pick because those countries are 3rd world and not worth being compared to.

We are so far ahead of other developed nations that it's a disgrace.

 

[OverVolt]

No i didn't cherry pick because those countries are 3rd world and not worth being compared to.

We are so far ahead of other developed nations that it's a disgrace.

Estonia is a nice place!!! Jerk.

 

[Farmer]

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund#

I really commend this author. Few have been willing to speak out in fear of the overwhelming emotional response.

 

[phucheneh]

Why don't you guys understand that guns are bad? Geez.

All we have to do is go around and collect the three hundred million guns in our country and get rid of them. Then everyone will be safe from gun-related crime.

I mean, surely everyone, ESPECIALLY criminals and psychopaths, will be willing to give them up, right?

...actually, I just thought of a better idea...why don't we just make a law that makes it illegal to murder people? We don't have that yet, do we? We definitely need stricter murder control. I mean, if there's a law against something, it can't happen, right?

Shit, I'm a genius. Someone give me another problem to solve.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Why don't you guys understand that guns are bad? Geez.

All we have to do is go around and collect the three hundred million guns in our country and get rid of them. Then everyone will be safe from gun-related crime.

I mean, surely everyone, ESPECIALLY criminals and psychopaths, will be willing to give them up, right?

...actually, I just thought of a better idea...why don't we just make a law that makes it illegal to murder people? We don't have that yet, do we? We definitely need stricter murder control. I mean, if there's a law against something, it can't happen, right?

Shit, I'm a genius. Someone give me another problem to solve.

Gee, Forrest... you sure am smart. We shuld lect you prezidint or sumthin.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I really commend this author. Few have been willing to speak out in fear of the overwhelming emotional response.

What few would those be? No shortage of them on this forum.

Won't someone think of the poor oppressed gun owners?

 

[Hoober]

No i didn't cherry pick because those countries are 3rd world and not worth being compared to.

We are so far ahead of other developed nations that it's a disgrace.

Russia, Brazil, and the Cayman Islands are 3rd world?

 

[Hoober]

Won't someone think of the poor oppressed gun owners?

Jesus, I hope so.

 

[Farmer]

What few would those be? No shortage of them on this forum.

Won't someone think of the poor oppressed gun owners?

The media, numbnuts.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The media, numbnuts.

Does "the media" comment on things you say very often? I was watching a piece tonight in which "the media" was interviewing Mayor Bloomberg of NYC about this very topic and he actually didn't say anything I disagree with. And he didn't call for banning anything in particular either.

 

[phucheneh]

That's offensive to people with testicular neuropathy.

 

[Farmer]

Does "the media" comment on things you say very often? I was watching a piece tonight in which "the media" was interviewing Mayor Bloomberg of NYC about this very topic and he actually didn't say anything I disagree with. And he didn't call for banning anything in particular either.

Maybe you should've heard him a few days ago.

Point of my post: you get lost of talk of gun-control, nothing opposing these days. The end.

 

[TallBill]

Does "the media" comment on things you say very often? I was watching a piece tonight in which "the media" was interviewing Mayor Bloomberg of NYC about this very topic and he actually didn't say anything I disagree with. And he didn't call for banning anything in particular either.

Bloomberg is very open about his want to ban. Not sure what he discussed tonight.


Saw someone one another channel that actually understood the issue. It isn't necessarily about rights, its just that blanket bans don't save any lives.

 

[ManBearPig]

I heard a guy on NPR bbc just now say that people who aren't in support of gun control think they should be able to take them anywhere, but that the right to bear arms was intended only for ones home. What difference does it make, though? Wouldn't a crazy person just take the gun out of his or her house?

Can't remember the organization he works for but his name was Andy Pelosi iirc. Just sounded weird to me.

 

[TallBill]

I heard a guy on NPR bbc just now say that people who aren't in support of gun control think they should be able to take them anywhere, but that the right to bear arms was intended only for ones home. What difference does it make, though? Wouldn't a crazy person just take the gun out of his or her house?

Can't remember the organization he works for but his name was Andy Pelosi iirc. Just sounded weird to me.

Some people are ignorant, some uninformed, and some are just idiots.

 

[Blackjack200]

But there is a significant difference between NZ and the US, in that guns have been a part of U.S. history for a long, long time. There are literally millions of legally owned firearms in the U.S. Even if you were to ban the sale of new firearms today, there would still be a huge number of them available.

I hear this argument a lot. Doesn't seem like it would be a big challenge to deal with this if you wanted a general firearm ban.

 

[phucheneh]

I hear this argument a lot. Doesn't seem like it would be a big challenge to deal with this if you wanted a general firearm ban.

Are you freaking kidding me?

Did you think I was being sarcastic when I said three hundred million guns a few posts ago? That was the only part that wasn't sarcastic.

This has nothing to do with democrats versus republicans. It has nothing to do with the second amendment, even. None of those thing are factors when the entire concept of someone's argument is logically braindead.

Go ahead. Explain how to collect all the firearms in the country and make us all 'safe.' How to get all the firearms out of criminal hands. How to stop all importation. Hell, how to get rid of all the ammunition, even; because I could make a firearm with basic fabrication tools. Give me a CAD program and a CNC mill and I'll build my own damned fully automatic rifle.

Or someone could just, you know, blow up an occupied building with a bomb. Or fly a plane into it. But it's not like that kinda thing has ever happened.

PLEASE, OH MERCIFUL LEADERS, RID SOCIETY OF ALL THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE USED TO HARM SOMEONE. THE POINTY OBJECTS, I FEAR THEM.

 

[OutHouse]

I hear this argument a lot. Doesn't seem like it would be a big challenge to deal with this if you wanted a general firearm ban.

im pretty sure there would be blood on the streets if the government even thought about going around rounding up guns.

 

[eits]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/1...n-massacred-in-scotland-u-k-banned-most-guns/

 

[OverVolt]

While gun control had no positive impact on burglaries, U.K. residents clearly are less likely to get shot true– meaning they are clearly safer false – than people living in America

Aaaaaaaaaaand thats false. I can't beleive you read that garbage it is so biased its not funny. UK has less guns and thus less gun crime, congratulations. Sick of seeing the same statistics twisted around. Places with gun bans have more rape. Cause thats safe. :hmm:

Since when was getting shot the only bad thing that can happen to someone? Do you see the backward thinking now?

Its the equivalent of the 2003 "Mission accomplished" speech. rape and burglaries skyrocket in the background as everyone pats themselves on the back that people are murdered less with guns. Of course never mind regular murder since the statistics aren't that impressive. "Overall murder rate fell 0.88%" just doesn't feel as accomplished as "murder with guns fell 1,0000% because there are no guns! aren't we clever!?"

Dumbasses lol.

If you have to twist statistics to make your point, your point is wrong.

 

[Angry Irishman]

lol. I know exactly what you're saying

and that is my entire point. Your slippery slope argument is PURE BUNK. and that is exactly what I am replying to.

problem is--you refuse to actually read what I am saying. I make a counter argument, you just ignore it and repeat your same comment.

why do you do this? I heard you the first time and countered...so you repeat the same horseshit, assuming I don't get you? wtf...


tell me this, poindexter, since you like to use hypotheticals: have you ever heard of a situation where a child sleeping in their bed in a 3rd floor apartment has ever been an innocent victim of a drive-by knifing from across the street?

have you?

crazy people will find a way to kill, right? using any means necessary? why do you assume bombs? how patently absurd is that? You think a bomb is the most logical approach for random street thug with limited resources? lulz.

so, when crazy people pick up their non-firearms to kill, how many innocents tend to join their targets in death? How many targets actually die, when compared to gunshot wounds?

Last time and thanks for highlighting my point. What you deem PURE BUNK is really just your opinion that isn't based in any fact or logic.

I didn't actually say bombs but for the sake of this response I'll use it. Firstly I don't think we are talking about the average ghetto thug with a gun. Even the worst thug probably isn't going to walk into a school and randomly kill kids. Now a deranged sick fuck like the one in Connecticut puts time and planning into killing for whatever reason the voices in his head tell him. If he didn't have guns he would most certainly find another means to include bombs cars whatever. Taking all the guns in the world isn't going to stop this behavior.

What are you saying that is based in fact? It's my right to own firearms. Statistically more people are killed with blunt objects ever year than guns. Violent acts such as this recent tragedy have been a part of history for a very long time with more or less the same fatalities with much less accurate weapons. I'm understanding you I'm just not agreeing.

You can be OK with diminishing YOUR rights if you so wish but do not be upset when I choose to DEMAND that my rights not be taken or controlled by changing something that will have little or no impact to resolving the real problem.

 

[OverVolt]

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime


UK vs USA
26.4% vs 21.1% -total crime victims
0.9% vs 0.4% -rape victims
78,753 prisoners vs 2,019,234 prisoners - due to the drug war, USA has most incarcerated in the world.
2.8% vs 1.2% -assault victims
14 vs 9,369 - murder with firearms

No duh we have almost as many guns as there are people in the USA. Where is the overall murder rate? Why is it hidden? :X

Probably because like assault & rape, its higher.

 

[OverVolt]

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

Looks like I'm wrong on murder rate, thats ok. USA 5.22 vs 1.57 UK

But there is more overall crime, more than double rape and more than double assault in the UK, so about what you would expect. The USA has actual, ya know borders. We seem to buffer the crime that spills over from Mexico and Canada has a nice tidy low murder rate as a result.

Alot of the murder problems are explicitly due to gun control honestly. DC, Chicago, Detroit and any other heavily regulated gun control area are like murder hotzones.

Ditto with the drug trade up from Mexico. Crime statistics are hard to compare. I don't even think they are collected the same.

UK is 244,110 sq km
USA is 9,826,630 sq km

Good luck confiscating the millions of guns, lol.

Different countries are different.

 

[phucheneh]

Alot of the murder problems are explicitly due to gun control honestly. DC, Chicago, Detroit and any other heavily regulated gun control area are like murder hotzones.

Incorrect. Places with handgun bans cannot have gun crime.

I mean, dude, handguns are banned. How in the world can anyone possibly be using them to commit crimes?

(This is honestly how some of you come off. The sheer lack of rational thought that goes into a 'all we have to do is make laws and stuff goes away' comment is fucking astonishing.)

 

[Veliko]

That's interesting.

I had no idea that the US was the only nation with borders.