You can't have my guns.

[HumblePie]

LOL, I was making fun that he thinks it's impossible for someone today to hijack a plane and use it to cause another 9/11 incident. That is an ABSURD line of thought to hold.

 

[eits]

You did NOT just say that. Really? You REALLY AND TRULY THINK THAT?


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seriously? you don't think it'd be nearly impossible to hijack a plane? given the fact that the door to the cabin is reinforced and locked tight and the pilot has a gun and there it's hard to get any sort of obvious weapon past the tsa and the fact that, after 9/11, the passengers are definitely sacking up to tackle the hell out of anyone who threatens the safety of the flight.

so, uh... laugh it up?

 

[eits]

LOL, I was making fun that he thinks it's impossible for someone today to hijack a plane and use it to cause another 9/11 incident. That is an ABSURD line of thought to hold.

he didn't say "impossible". he said "almost impossible".

 

[HumblePie]

seriously? you don't think it'd be nearly impossible to hijack a plane? given the fact that the door to the cabin is reinforced and locked tight and the pilot has a gun and there it's hard to get any sort of obvious weapon past the tsa and the fact that, after 9/11, the passengers are definitely sacking up to tackle the hell out of anyone who threatens the safety of the flight.

so, uh... laugh it up?

It is certainly not impossible to hijack a plane. Nor will it ever be. You and anyone else is delusional if they think it.

 

[HumblePie]

he didn't say "impossible". he said "almost impossible".

even "almost impossible" is delusional. Hell that's practically an oxymoron as a statement to make.

Is it harder to do? sure. Impossible or "almost impossible" to do? No.

 

[eits]

even "almost impossible" is delusional. Hell that's practically an oxymoron as a statement to make.

Is it harder to do? sure. Impossible or "almost impossible" to do? No.

yeah, dude, it's almost impossible to take over an airplane from a captain's control unless.

if you disagree, please explain how it's so easy.

 

[sixone]

Let's get the mentally ill people away from ALL weapons, instead of taking guns away from people who use them responsibly.

Let's put as much effort into stopping non-mass murders as we would for mass murders.

 

[HumblePie]

yeah, dude, it's almost impossible to take over an airplane from a captain's control unless.

if you disagree, please explain how it's so easy.

Why go through the door for control?

Want to know one way? Gas the people on the plane. You do realize those full body scanners are not fool proof right? There are always ways to get shit that can be used as a potential weapon smuggled on a plane.

Gas the passengers and don't have to worry about them "lining up to stop you" from doing whatever nefarious deed you have in mind.

All you need is Det cord after that. Or hack into the lines coming from the cockpit.

Or why even hijack a plane to use a plane as a weapon? Some rich sick bastard can just buy their own.

Seriously you lack imagination of what could potentially be done to cause another 9/11 tragedy or worse.

 

[blankslate]

even "almost impossible" is delusional. Hell that's practically an oxymoron as a statement to make.

To do it with items that you focused on in your post I responded to.

A crazy person with a box cutter on an air plane? Oh yah, that's right! the worst mass killing of civilian disasters in recent American history happened because of a crazy person with a fucking box cutter.

Box cutters?

yes people can still smuggle them on board but it's harder to do.

Additionally you'll need many people with box cutters to take over a crowded plane these days.

Because passengers on planes know that hijackers might crash the plane instead of making demands or trying to obtain a ransom.

You better have more than a box cutter or be on a practically empty flight if you want to hijack a plane. Or be prepared to have two or three people pound your ass into the floor when you pull out that box cutter.

Also it wasn't one person per plane as previously noted it was at least two or three.

there were about 17 hijackers going off of memory and they took over 4 planes.

 

[phucheneh]

even "almost impossible" is delusional. Hell that's practically an oxymoron as a statement to make.

Is it harder to do? sure. Impossible or "almost impossible" to do? No.

LOL. You don't know what 'oxymoron' means.

 

[Blackjack200]

See above. You are not on my list of 'people with reasonable arguments.' You are no less silly than Humble.

When will the 'extremists' on both sides realize how similarly broken their brains are and just go make out in the corner?

lol. Okay there Hammurabi.

 

[HumblePie]

LOL. You don't know what 'oxymoron' means.

Impossible is a fixed finite possibility. Adding "almost" tries to make a term that designated as fixed into something that is not. Jumbo shrimp is an oxymoron because one is trying to quantify something as "big" to a term that can be used to designate something small.

 

[pontifex]

I like how anti-gunners say that the 20 kids in china who were attacked by a crazy dude with knives is fine because they didn't die. so maiming is fine, just don't kill people. Break their arms and legs so they can't do anything by themselves like walk or run or play or even work, but as long as they are alive, thats all that matters.

Slash their faces off so they're shunned by society, can never have a bf/gf or wife/husband. it's ok though, they should be happy that they didn't die.

Maybe they will commit suicide because of the mental and physical anguish. Maybe they will go insane and commit their own mass rampage. Its ok, as long as they didn't die.

These kids are now scarred for life - physically and mentally.

 

[Pocatello]

I like how anti-gunners say that the 20 kids in china who were attacked by a crazy dude with knives is fine because they didn't die. so maiming is fine, just don't kill people. Break their arms and legs so they can't do anything by themselves like walk or run or play or even work, but as long as they are alive, thats all that matters.

Slash their faces off so they're shunned by society, can never have a bf/gf or wife/husband. it's ok though, they should be happy that they didn't die.

Maybe they will commit suicide because of the mental and physical anguish. Maybe they will go insane and commit their own mass rampage. Its ok, as long as they didn't die.

These kids are now scarred for life - physically and mentally.

But I would still prefer my six year-old to be alive than dead, maybe it's just me.

 

[pontifex]

Impossible is a fixed finite possibility. Adding "almost" tries to make a term that designated as fixed into something that is not. Jumbo shrimp is an oxymoron because one is trying to quantify something as "big" to a term that can be used to designate something small.

jumbo shrimp is not an oxymoron in the context of the food.
shrimp is a noun in this case and jumbo is the adjective.

jumbo shrimp are larger-than-normal shrimp.

 

[blankslate]

I like how anti-gunners say that the 20 kids in china who were attacked by a crazy dude with knives is fine because they didn't die. so maiming is fine, just don't kill people. Break their arms and legs so they can't do anything by themselves like walk or run or play or even work, but as long as they are alive, thats all that matters. Slash their faces off so they're shunned by society, can never have a bf/gf or wife/husband. it's ok though, they should be happy that they didn't die. Maybe they will commit suicide because of the mental and physical anguish. Maybe they will go insane and commit their own mass rampage. Its ok, as long as they didn't die. These kids are now scarred for life - physically and mentally.

Nice way to twist it.

The point was this person like the shooter in the states probably has/had mental issues. What is needed is a way to keep these people from firearms and get them treated.

 

[Blackjack200]

I like how anti-gunners say that the 20 kids in china who were attacked by a crazy dude with knives is fine because they didn't die.

Who said that?

 

[pontifex]

Who said that?

alot of people have said that. the knife attack in china has been brought up several times and every single time the anti-gunners have said "but at least the kids didn't die"

the whole argument against guns is that people die from them.

so if all of the kids in CT were just wounded, we wouldn't be having this conversation?

 

[HumblePie]

jumbo shrimp is not an oxymoron in the context of the food.
shrimp is a noun in this case and jumbo is the adjective.

jumbo shrimp are larger-than-normal shrimp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

You are stupid. Jumbo refers to something large. Shrimp can refer to something small. In regards to sizes, the two terms are contradictory.

It doesn't matter if the term that is an oxymoron makes sense or not. Jumbo shrimp for example makes perfect sense.

Nor do the two terms have to be complete contradictory, just have contradictory parts to one another. Shrimp can refer to size, or a crustacean.

Wow, English fucking fail.

 

[pontifex]

Nice way to twist it.

The point was this person like the shooter in the states probably has/had mental issues. What is needed is a way to keep these people from firearms and get them treated.

what am i twisting? then why is everyone all up in arms over getting rid of guns then? seems like that is the point all the anti-gunners are trying to make. none of them seems to be for anything but banning guns.

 

[blankslate]

I am the most recent person to bring up the chinese knifer in this thread.

I have not been up in arms about banning guns.

 

[zinfamous]

alot of people have said that. the knife attack in china has been brought up several times and every single time the anti-gunners have said "but at least the kids didn't die"

the whole argument against guns is that people die from them.

so if all of the kids in CT were just wounded, we wouldn't be having this conversation?

oh snap...I think you're starting to get it...

:hmm:

 

[Blackjack200]

alot of people have said that. the knife attack in china has been brought up several times and every single time the anti-gunners have said "but at least the kids didn't die"

the whole argument against guns is that people die from them.

so if all of the kids in CT were just wounded, we wouldn't be having this conversation?

Who said that it was fine?

 

[CPA]

So, let's say we all buy into the argument that we must ban certain guns immediately, particularly semi-automatic guns, because they have the potential to kill more people, more quickly.

Now, let's say the ban rids the world of these guns, at least in the hands of citizens.

Now, for those that argued this logic, what happens at the next mass killing? The one that used an 8 clip pistol with 4 extra clips? By default that scenario becomes the next "potential to kill more people, more quickly" than any other threat. So, now we need to ban that, right?

Do you people arguing with this logic see the slippery slope? Do you see the standard goes lower and lower each time you "ban" something?

 

[pontifex]

Who said that it was fine?

it's called inference

you say if we ban guns, these attacks won't happen
we show you that these attacks do happen without guns, citing the knife attack in china
you say but no one was killed
so as long as no one is killed, these other things don't matter. we don't need to worry about other weapons.
its the guns that cause the problem right? not the person doing the crime, it's the object used to commit the crime.
therefore anything not a gun is fine

hey, i'm just using anti-gun logic here.