You can't have my guns.

[irishScott]

Do you have mental problems like past couple of mass murderers who killed people for no apparent reason? Did you obtain your weapons illegally?

If not we don't want your damn weapons. We want a way to prevent mentally imbalanced people from getting them.

Virginia Tech shooter. history of mental issues

Same with the person who shot and injured and killed people in Az. including a U.S. Senator

Same with the shooter who attacked a midnight screening.

Apparently initial information seems to point to mental issues with the Connecticut shooter.

Unless you are mentally unbalanced you'll see that there is a problem...

Funny, it seems your politicians very much want our guns.

I have not heard one peep on the issue of licensing, permits, increased background checks for, or increased regulation of assault weapons, but a deluge of support for a blanket "ban". The New York Times cover article as of this post blatantly talks about all of the "compromises" made with the Clinton assault ban and implies that's why it failed.

 

[Olikan]

You don't have a clue. A pistol is a horrible horrible defensive tool. It's used because it's convenient to have on you. They are abismal man stoppers. Look at all the shootings where the perp took a half dozen or more rounds and was still fighting. The precision needed for a shot to take them out of the fight is a lot up to luck as much as skill. The would channel of a rifle round is a different story. Connect about anywhere on the torso and the bad guy is out of the fight. Rifles and shotguns always have been and always will be superior defensive tools than handguns.

SO... the whole point is to kill the guy?

my grandfather was a delegate (that's why i got the pistol from my grandmother)...i know storys many stories about this....even of a guy that run 1km with a bullet in the heart

the problem with rifle and shotguns for self defence is that they are very big, if someone breaks at your house, you wont have it with you...it will be there in the wardrobe ...a pistol can easily be at your pocket/purse

so...when robbers start using shotguns, will you buy a rocket-luncher?

 

[boomhower]

SO... the whole point is to kill the guy?

my grandfather was a delegate (that's why i got the pistol from my grandmother)...i know storys many stories about this....even of a guy that run 1km with a bullet in the heart

the problem with rifle and shotguns for self defence is that they are very big, if someone breaks at your house, you wont have it with you...it will be there in the wardrobe ...a pistol can easily be at your pocket/purse

so...when robbers start using shotguns, will you buy a rocket-luncher?

No, the point is to stop the threat. When the guy can, as you say, run a km with a bullet in his heart he can still shoot, stab, etc. The threat is still there. I never said kill, I said take them out of the fight.

Robbers do use shotguns and rifles. Though rare it does happen. It's about being on even keel, no one upping. My rifle is by the bed though my threat level is a bit higher than your average joe. I don't make a lot of friends in my day job.

 

[HumblePie]

I am at the point I can't even listen to NPR in the morning right now. It's all stupid ass talk about proposing/pushing for gun control on a stupid scale, and talk about pushing sales for the O'Dark 30 movie.

The anchors, like many morons here, keep trying to state that there is no reason civilians should have access to military grade guns.

BULL FUCKING SHIT! There, that's all I'll have to say. Now time to elaborate.

The reason for the drafting of the second amendment is because our country was founded on a revolution. That average ordinary citizens, using their guns, could fight back as a last resort against a repressive government. The revolutionary war was a LAST resort. The people living at that time tried every peaceable means to make an unreasonable government at that time see reason. When the English government at that time refused to see reason, and kept on with oppression, there were still a slow build up of steady protests that became more and more violent (usually by the government) until finally war was declared.

The fact is, the English government at the time tried to ban guns from the hands of colonists. They saw it was coming and sought to remove as possible way the colonists could oppose their oppressive rule as a last recourse.

THAT is why the bearing of arms is a RIGHT. Not only any right, but the SECOND one following behind the first which is freedom of speech. Speech and Guns... the two most important tools to the foundation and founding of our country. Without both, we would never be Americans right now.

But Humblepie, the founding fathers only used muskets! They didn't realize weapons would evolve into modern firearms. Again I say, BULL FUCKING SHIT!!! That time period was also the time period of the industrial revolution. They were in a time frame seeing MASSIVE changes to technology on a previously unknown scale to all forms of technology. There weren't JUST only muskets at that time. Single fire muskets were the lowest and cheapest form of firearm, but not the only. There were multi-shot guns, many of which very reliable. There were fully automatic machine guns at the time as well. Percussion caps were invented and in mass use while some of the founding fathers were still alive. Trying to say that the founding fathers could no fore see that weapons were evolving is insulting those very intelligent people and showing your own stupidity. Weapons of war have ALWAYS evolved. From sticks to swords to bows to longbows to guns and canons and explosives.

The founding fathers knew that weapons of war would continue to evolve, and they also knew the main users of those weapons would be governments. That military's would be the major driving force in usage and evolution of weapons.

Again, the fact that civilians/citizens have access to the same level of firepower as the government is to keep the government in check. Our fore fathers were all men of very high intelligence that drafted that Constitution and the Amendments. They were all studiers of history. They know that no government is perfect and that a time will come when ordinary citizens will have to fight back. That's the nature of humans. Those that seek to rule will eventually be those with motives to not serve in their ruling, but to have others serve them.

They also drafted as many safe guards as they can into the government to prevent the American government from hopefully ever becoming oppressive and tyrannical in nature. That is why we have a 3 branch system that is to hopefully keep in check each other. Originally we also had far more than a 2 party system as well. The more parties and interests involved in government, the less likely of collusion and corruption. Still, they knew there may very well be a time that ordinary citizens will have to use their absolute last resort.

THAT is why citizen should have access to the latest and greatest of modern weaponry. The fact that people can hunt deer with a gun or shoot skeet is just icing on the cake so to speak. Hunting was NEVER the reason for the 2nd amendment. But it seems as if that's all the media is focusing on the last few days in their push to garner for sympathy for more gun control.

 

[Olikan]

Again, the fact that civilians/citizens have access to the same level of firepower as the government is to keep the government in check. Our fore fathers were all men of very high intelligence that drafted that Constitution and the Amendments. They were all studiers of history. They know that no government is perfect and that a time will come when ordinary citizens will have to fight back. That's the nature of humans. Those that seek to rule will eventually be those with motives to not serve in their ruling, but to have others serve them.

where do you live again?...Egipt?

Robbers do use shotguns and rifles. Though rare it does happen. It's about being on even keel, no one upping. My rifle is by the bed though my threat level is a bit higher than your average joe. I don't make a lot of friends in my day job.

Funny....because i live in Brazil, my country is ALOT more fucked up than US...yet i sold a pistol because i found myself not really needing it.

are you a drug dealer? i fail to see to whay you need to sleep with you rifle

 

[Phokus]

I am at the point I can't even listen to NPR in the morning right now. It's all stupid ass talk about proposing/pushing for gun control on a stupid scale, and talk about pushing sales for the O'Dark 30 movie.

The anchors, like many morons here, keep trying to state that there is no reason civilians should have access to military grade guns.

BULL FUCKING SHIT! There, that's all I'll have to say. Now time to elaborate.

The reason for the drafting of the second amendment is because our country was founded on a revolution. That average ordinary citizens, using their guns, could fight back as a last resort against a repressive government. The revolutionary war was a LAST resort. The people living at that time tried every peaceable means to make an unreasonable government at that time see reason. When the English government at that time refused to see reason, and kept on with oppression, there were still a slow build up of steady protests that became more and more violent (usually by the government) until finally war was declared.

The fact is, the English government at the time tried to ban guns from the hands of colonists. They saw it was coming and sought to remove as possible way the colonists could oppose their oppressive rule as a last recourse.

THAT is why the bearing of arms is a RIGHT. Not only any right, but the SECOND one following behind the first which is freedom of speech. Speech and Guns... the two most important tools to the foundation and founding of our country. Without both, we would never be Americans right now.

But Humblepie, the founding fathers only used muskets! They didn't realize weapons would evolve into modern firearms. Again I say, BULL FUCKING SHIT!!! That time period was also the time period of the industrial revolution. They were in a time frame seeing MASSIVE changes to technology on a previously unknown scale to all forms of technology. There weren't JUST only muskets at that time. Single fire muskets were the lowest and cheapest form of firearm, but not the only. There were multi-shot guns, many of which very reliable. There were fully automatic machine guns at the time as well. Percussion caps were invented and in mass use while some of the founding fathers were still alive. Trying to say that the founding fathers could no fore see that weapons were evolving is insulting those very intelligent people and showing your own stupidity. Weapons of war have ALWAYS evolved. From sticks to swords to bows to longbows to guns and canons and explosives.

The founding fathers knew that weapons of war would continue to evolve, and they also knew the main users of those weapons would be governments. That military's would be the major driving force in usage and evolution of weapons.

Again, the fact that civilians/citizens have access to the same level of firepower as the government is to keep the government in check. Our fore fathers were all men of very high intelligence that drafted that Constitution and the Amendments. They were all studiers of history. They know that no government is perfect and that a time will come when ordinary citizens will have to fight back. That's the nature of humans. Those that seek to rule will eventually be those with motives to not serve in their ruling, but to have others serve them.

They also drafted as many safe guards as they can into the government to prevent the American government from hopefully ever becoming oppressive and tyrannical in nature. That is why we have a 3 branch system that is to hopefully keep in check each other. Originally we also had far more than a 2 party system as well. The more parties and interests involved in government, the less likely of collusion and corruption. Still, they knew there may very well be a time that ordinary citizens will have to use their absolute last resort.

THAT is why citizen should have access to the latest and greatest of modern weaponry. The fact that people can hunt deer with a gun or shoot skeet is just icing on the cake so to speak. Hunting was NEVER the reason for the 2nd amendment. But it seems as if that's all the media is focusing on the last few days in their push to garner for sympathy for more gun control.

Good luck against fighting the government that has nukes, aircraft carriers, bombers with your shotgun or whatever.

Again, the fact that civilians/citizens have access to the same level of firepower as the government is to keep the government in check.

LOL, no, citizens don't, and never will, no matter how freely you and the government decides to interpret the 2nd amendment. The government has all the nice expensive toys to kill anyone they want.

Using the argument that we need guns just in case we need a revolution is a dumb argument. When everyone fought with muskets, yeah sure, people were on more equal footing.

 

[crownjules]

Good luck against fighting the government that has nukes, aircraft carriers, bombers with your shotgun or whatever.

LOL, no, citizens don't, and never will, no matter how freely you and the government decides to interpret the 2nd amendment. The government has all the nice expensive toys to kill anyone they want.

Using the argument that we need guns just in case we need a revolution is a dumb argument. When everyone fought with muskets, yeah sure, people were on more equal footing.

So your arguement is basically because they have better weapons that civilians don't need any at all? That makes no sense. SOME chance is better than no chance at all. If it ever came to that point.

 

[Blueychan]

It's sad, most Americans don't appreciate their freedoms and trying hard to give them up.

At least the Chinese understand it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJzgMAsl3TY

 

[Olikan]

It's sad, most Americans don't appreciate their freedoms and trying hard to give them up.

At least the Chinese understand it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJzgMAsl3TY

it enought time to realize that having freedom brings consequences...and society can't handle it anymore.

they could handle in the past, not anymore with so much cry babys

 

[Phokus]

So your arguement is basically because they have better weapons that civilians don't need any at all? That makes no sense. SOME chance is better than no chance at all. If it ever came to that point.

The chance might as well be zero, unless you think you can shoot nukes out of the sky with your glock.

 

[HumblePie]

So your arguement is basically because they have better weapons that civilians don't need any at all? That makes no sense. SOME chance is better than no chance at all. If it ever came to that point.

Exactly.

Also, weapons of mass destruction are much harder to control for even a government or individual.

A tyrannical government that sends in the military to deal with a populace that is revolting back is typically not going to go with a scorched earth style of campaign control. The point of control is to have a populace to control/rule. Blowing everything up or killing everything with WMD doesn't give those in control of a tyrannical government what they want which is more power.

Would dealing with tanks rolling down the street be very hard for a person with a shotgun? Sure. How about a person with a mine or a wire guided RPG? Not really. And both of those are available in this country to citizens. Mines and RPGs aren't needed to hunt deer either.

 

[master_shake_]

do you have smoke detectors in your house? Do you have fire extinguishers? Do you have car or home insurance? do you wear a seatbelt?

i do have smoke detectors, im afraid of my house burning to the ground and killing my family

i do have a fire extinguisher for the same reason

i have insurance because i am afraid of losing my home or car to an accident and protect me from lawsuits

and yes a seat belt is necessary because i am afraid of flying through the windshield.

these are all fears, the same fears associated with people carrying a concealed weapon.

 

[HumblePie]

The chance might as well be zero, unless you think you can shoot nukes out of the sky with your glock.

Phokus, that is a most asinine argument. What government would ever use nukes on it's own land and populace. By doing so, they give up power. Nor would a revolt ever be fought with nukes on both sides.

 

[blankslate]

Funny, it seems your politicians very much want our guns. I have not heard one peep on the issue of licensing, permits, increased background checks for, or increased regulation of assault weapons, but a deluge of support for a blanket "ban". The New York Times cover article as of this post blatantly talks about all of the "compromises" made with the Clinton assault ban and implies that's why it failed.

Funny that you think I agree with "my" politicians on everything. I suppose that you have found a politician that you agree with 100% on everything? If so goody for you.

BTW President Reagan himself supported the assault weapon's ban.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/how-ronald-reagan-passed-the-assault-weapon-ban

He made it happen...

People should be talking about solving the problem of mentally ill peoples' access to firearms instead of stupidly insulting others over who they voted for.

 

[Farmer]

The chance might as well be zero, unless you think you can shoot nukes out of the sky with your glock.

Shhh!

 

[crownjules]

The chance might as well be zero, unless you think you can shoot nukes out of the sky with your glock.

The government wouldn't even need to deploy the military if you're already lying down in submission.

 

[shortylickens]

As I said, it's an absurdly low number.

The two other notorious school shootings (Columbine and VATech) involved no "assault rifles". VATech (the deadliest ever) involved .22LR and 9mm handguns.

An "assault weapons" ban is just a cosmetic piece of ineffective legislation designed to appease the anti-gun base that's riled up over a school shooting.

I'm hoping House GOP members do everything in their power to stop it.

But as of today, all the talk about potential bans has black rifle and hi-cap mag sales through the roof. Your friends, neighbors, co-workers, and other responsible long-time or first-time gun owners are all snatching up these items in record numbers.

All my local gun shops look like they've been robbed; bare shelves for rifles, accessories and ammo.

Any "assault weapons" legislation is going to grandfather in the 300 million firearms and untold number of hi-cap mags already in circulation.

Also, everyone that DIED, got hit with the 22. Except the assailant, he killed himself with the 9mm.

And there are assloads of single shot 22's floating around this country. All you need is a bell tower like that one guy.

 

[CVSiN]

WTF do you guys hunt that needs a AR-15? helicopters?
an AR-15 for defense? really? A pistol is way better for that

Wild Boars here in Texas.

and again these are SMALL cailbur rounds the .223 is not a huge shell and does not do much more damage than a 22. however they do tumble which is good for damage.
However even a semi auto .22 rifle can do just as much damage in the hands of a capable shooter.
So no shooting a helicopter with this round would not be very effective..
you would need a much heavier round like a .50 cal.
My .22 growing up could hold 20 rounds and was as fast as I could pull the trigger.. yet this is not an assault weapon and this was given to me on my 10th birthday.

and who says I don't have an assortment of handguns as well?
but being military trained I am just at home with a Rifle as I am with a handgun.
And when that intruder sees a Fully tricked out holo sighted AR-15 pointing at them they are far less likely to even try anything.

 

[CVSiN]

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~

 

[sandorski]

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~

Idiotic dribble.

 

[shortylickens]

Idiotic dribble.

I know. How dare a fact or stream of facts refute your mindset?
Reality needs to change so I dont have to!!!

 

[CVSiN]

Good luck against fighting the government that has nukes, aircraft carriers, bombers with your shotgun or whatever.



LOL, no, citizens don't, and never will, no matter how freely you and the government decides to interpret the 2nd amendment. The government has all the nice expensive toys to kill anyone they want.

Using the argument that we need guns just in case we need a revolution is a dumb argument. When everyone fought with muskets, yeah sure, people were on more equal footing.

and you really honestly think the government can use any of those things agasint the populace..
wrong.
it would be a ground fight.
BTW there are wackos out there that do have the hardware the US Military has including anti-tank weps.
and there are plenty available on the black market as well. RPGs up for the highest bidder.

And you also do not consider that during revolutions the military has been known to rebel as well.
Russia anyone?

You forget that a lot of our servicemen believe heavily in this right to bear arms.

 

[blankslate]

Rifles and shotguns always have been and always will be superior defensive tools than handguns.

Just the sound of a pump action shotgun being charged would likely cause most intruders to gtfo.

http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-KSG.htm
I found this review online and it seems drool-worthy. Overkill maybe, but I wouldn't turn down the chance to shoot it at the range.

 

[shortylickens]

Good luck against fighting the government that has nukes, aircraft carriers, bombers with your shotgun or whatever.



LOL, no, citizens don't, and never will, no matter how freely you and the government decides to interpret the 2nd amendment. The government has all the nice expensive toys to kill anyone they want.

Using the argument that we need guns just in case we need a revolution is a dumb argument. When everyone fought with muskets, yeah sure, people were on more equal footing.

I think I see a pattern here.

Everyone arguing FOR the disarmament of the populace seems to be either very ignorant of world history, or selectively ignorant with their arguments.

America had nukes during Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Desert Storm, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq. They were all non-factors.

We lost Vietnam by the way.
Know why?

 

[pontifex]

I've changed my mind on this whole thing.

I say we let the government ban high capacity CLIPS* and ASSAULT* rifles.




*What firearms use clips these days? I don't think there has been a firearm that used clips since the Garand, which is from WW2 and even then it was only 8 rounds.

Also, assault rifles (fully automatic rifles) are for all intents and purposes banned now anyway due to limited availability, cost, and paperwork.